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Elon Evil Emperor of Transportation

Posted by freedomforall 1 week, 6 days ago to Philosophy
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"An interesting item in the news the other day got almost no attention.

The thing that got attention in the news was the news that a “ . . .problem with Tesla servers on Friday once again left hundreds of drivers unable to enter and operate their electric cars.”

No analysis of the implications was offered.

Ergo, it’s well to consider them.

For the past 120 years or so – since the first cars began rolling under their own power – it was taken as a given that the people who owned them controlled them. The keys were a physical symbol of ownership because he who held the keys controlled the car. Parents would threaten to withhold the keys from their teenaged drivers, if their grades slipped, for instance.

But once you were no longer a kid, if you held the keys then the car was yours. You used to see dangling-suggestively keys in car ad copy; the implication being – this could be yours (and by implication, no one else’s).

Not anymore.

Not if it’s one of Elon’s electric cars. Because Elon holds the keys – and you never will, no matter that you’re not a teenager, you paid for the car and Elon isn’t your father. But he is your overlord. He and his fellow managers intend to lord it over all of us – and electric cars are the perfect vehicle for that.

They have two plugs – one physical, the other virtual.

You use the physical plug to charge the thing up.

They use the virtual plug to determine how much and how fast you’re allowed to charge up – and (cue Emperor Palpatine voice) many other things, besides."
SOURCE URL: https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/11/21/outages/


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    Posted by VetteGuy 1 week, 6 days ago
    Unfortunately this is not likely confined to Tesla's. You know that number you can call to "magically" unlock your car if your key fob goes dead? What if the "controllers" decide to keep you locked OUT?

    " Oooh ... this person has dangerous political beliefs. He must be stopped! Click"

    Of course I'm just being facetious ... right?
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    • Posted by $ gharkness 1 week, 5 days ago
      Yes and no. (At least as far as I am aware), so far vehicles with key fobs also have physical keys that can be used to unlock the car. Even if you "forgot" your key, the car CAN be unlocked without "permission." It's just inconvenient.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 1 week, 5 days ago
    Rather than evil intent, how about we chalk this up to a dumbass error by the Tesla quality assurance team? Sometimes, programmers get too cocky (I know, as I had to rap mental knuckles many times) and fail to follow test procedures before installing upgrades.

    One of the credible claims by the Tesla team is that they intend to provide performance upgrades remotely, so the owner doesn't have to drag themselves and their vehicle into a dealership. Judging from what friends who own the vehicles say, they've been excited with the idea that they can get range improvements and safety upgrades, which they can only get by owning a Tesla. With other vehicles, what you buy is the best you're ever going to get.

    The problem with being on the bleeding edge of technology is that sometimes things don't work the way they were intended. My dad bought a 1939 Buick after WW II, because it had an "altitude adjustment" carburetor, and he was planning on moving the family across country, knowing he would be driving over the mountains. Surprise! the carburetor didn't work as advertised, and he spent much of the move under the hood of that Buick, cussing a blue streak.

    Could the government abuse its reach and micromanage our lives? I'm sure they would like to, which is why I still don't have "smart" meters or thermostats. There's already a healthy industry of alternative chipsets for modern vehicles, and I'm sure one will grow for the Tesla vehicles.

    What I'm finding is that Elon Musk has become the new Trump for media pundits, with sinister motive attributed to every element of his technology empire. However, he is not a government pawn, but a thorn under its backside, much like Howard Hughes used to be, so I'm reading government motives for the sudden hostility from the media directed at him, which is one reason I don't imagine he'd be too cooperative with government interference in his auto business.
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    • Posted by 1 week, 5 days ago
      "don't imagine he'd be too cooperative with government interference in his auto business"
      "His" auto business is based upon payments from all taxpayers making "his" products competitive against products that have no such payments.
      May the looting SOB move to Mars ASAP.
      (Elon could change my mind by using his stolen loot to set up a Gulch of Liberty and free markets, a la, Ragnar Danneskjold. I'm not holding my breath.)
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 1 week, 5 days ago
        I don't begrudge any business for taking advantage of government stimulus to promote their product. You have to accept the fact that every auto manufacturer gets handouts in one form or another for emissions or safety elements incorporated in their vehicles, so they're just less efficient "looting SOBs."

        It would be better to let a real free market pick the winners, but given our current government's efforts to "spread the wealth" I credit Musk for being more willing to roll the dice with his personal wealth. His SpaceX competition, as in the ULA, risks nothing, expecting the taxpayer to pick up the whole tab.
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        • Posted by 1 week, 5 days ago
          I debit Musk for being another looting scumbag.
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          • Posted by DrZarkov99 1 week, 5 days ago
            There's a long heritage of those types, going back to Rockefeller, so you either learn to live with them, or beat them at their own game. I don't have the time or energy to waste on hating them.
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            • Posted by 1 week, 5 days ago
              If everyone accepts slavery as inevitable, it will continue.
              We would still be a British colony if the Founders had accepted that.
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              • Posted by DrZarkov99 1 week, 5 days ago
                It's not a game of absolutes, but strategies. The numbers and force of authority should have beaten the Founders, and Washington was the master of strategic retreat, picking his battles and alliances. Raging like a bull only marks you as a target, easily picked off, no matter how righteous your cause.

                I learned a long time ago, bureaucrats and conniving industrialists always plant the seeds of their own defeat. They get involved in so many rules and regulations that you can always find a self destruct mechanism they inadvertently planted. Like the man says, once you live by telling lies, you can never know when one of them will bite you.
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          • Posted by $ jdg 1 week, 4 days ago
            And then some. The cheapest Tesla costs more than $80K even with the subsidy. No one who can pay that much for a car deserves tax funds.
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            • Posted by 1 week, 4 days ago
              I think the cheapest Model 3 Tesla starts at $47,690 - not that anyone buys at that price because
              the very optimistic range is 273 miles at that price. The long range (optimistically 334 miles) is $53,690.
              These include the insane 'delivery fee' of $1,200.
              I got a new convertible top on my car for less than that idiotic fee.
              Then you still have to add state and local sales taxes.
              (The scumbags at Tesla advertise lower prices by taking a
              'gas savings' reduction.)

              I agree, it is criminal to steal from the average taxpayer to
              discount the price for someone who can afford $50,000 or
              more for unreliable transportation.
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  • Posted by mhubb 1 week, 6 days ago
    WOW!!!
    did not know this!!!!

    NO SANE person would allow someone else to control their Liberty and Freedom
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    • Posted by mccannon01 1 week, 6 days ago
      The scary thing is every car today that has a computerized control system that is somehow satellite connected can have a "permission gate" built in that has final say over whether or not the vehicle can be driven.

      Makes me wonder if some future business will start up to take vehicles off grid and off computer. The way I see it all the basic ingredients to make a car go hasn't changed since my 1969 GTX, but all the snoop and poop crap added can be taken off or modified to set it free.
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      • Posted by VetteGuy 1 week, 6 days ago
        I like the idea, but it will be more complicated than just sticking a carb and distributor on it (a la 69 GTX). I once replaced the gauges on a car (thinking it a simple swap) and the cruise and overdrive stopped working, along with the cooling fans. And that was on an '88 model! Things are very integrated these days. It will be a programming issue, rather than a mechanical fix.
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        • Posted by mccannon01 1 week, 5 days ago
          Agreed, VetteGuy. I mentioned the GTX to illustrate simplicity. That is, cars don't need a lot of frills to make them run or be useful. I would not advocate retrofitting an injector system back to a carburetor, but the integration you mention illustrates how absurd things can get. I don't like the idea that my car can be shut off or other inappropriate actions done remotely even while I'm driving it, but as you say that is a programming or chip swap problem. I never had a key problem with a vehicle, but I've had fob problems that were a PITA and a small fortune to fix.
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          • Posted by 1 week, 5 days ago
            When replacing a key fob costs as much as replacing an engine (or worse the entire vehicle) you know there is a less than rational design problem.
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            • Posted by mccannon01 1 week, 5 days ago
              LOL, "less than rational", you're sweet talkin' here, FFA. Going through the fob problem I had I told the dealer it was totally F--KED up engineering! LOL. What SHOULD have been a simple pop-out-the-old-battery-and-pop-in-the-new (maybe 2 bucks and a trip to Walmart) turned into a $250 day at the dealer while they reprogrammed and farted with this and that to get it working again. My patience for incompetence and PPE (Piss Poor Engineering) was smoking!

              Edit add: AND to make matters worse all they would put on the waiting room TV was CNN! By the time I left I could puke on the dealership floor!
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              • Posted by 1 week, 5 days ago
                Speaking of the Communist No-truth Network:
                CNN Op-Ed: “Nothing More Frightening Than an Angry White Man”
                https://www.summit.news/2021/11/22/cnn-publishes-op-ed-nothing-more-frightening-than-an-angry-white-man/
                (Sorry but the Gulch doesn't recognize the above link as a link.)
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      • Posted by $ jdg 1 week, 4 days ago
        The feds have now made those systems compulsory in all new vehicles. You'll have to buy a pre-2018 vehicle and keep it running. Or figure a way to spoof the system so the police will think they have control when they don't.
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    • Posted by $ gharkness 1 week, 5 days ago
      Says any person who voluntarily takes ANY coerced medical procedure :-)

      This is not pointed at you - I rightfully don't know and don't want to know YOUR medical information, but so many are willing to 1) share their info and 2) accept whatever the state has in store for them. And then indignantly state that "No sane person would allow someone else to control their Liberty and Freedom."
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    • Posted by dmshuler 1 week, 5 days ago
      Unfortunately, most sane people are blissfully unaware. Even if they were aware -- as we've seen with the SARS-CoV-2 virus -- most people will trade their liberties for a sense of security and/or convenience.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 week, 5 days ago
    Driver-less cars are coming. In fact, I suspect automobiles will be a service, vs product, model before I start pushing up daisies.

    Worrying about this is less important, than freedom in the driverless era, but it is a very irritating trend, with no consumer value.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 1 week, 5 days ago
    Hey, don't worry about any kinda cars, y'all. A month or two ago me dino read that the genius in the White House said that he wants to replace cars with trains. Wouldn't that be a sight?
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    • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 1 week, 5 days ago
      What are we supposed to do, use a rickshaw to get to our government house from the train station?
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      • Posted by mccannon01 1 week, 4 days ago
        Depends on the carbon footprint of a rickshaw. Besides, all those out of work auto industry people need jobs. Also, since you'll be living in a commie paradise, why would you need to go anywhere?
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 1 week, 5 days ago
        Just lay tracks not only on interstates but on all kinds of roads and have track layers work their way down to every street in the USA.
        That way, if you run the trains fast enough, choo choos can get everyone to shifts that start at 6 and 7 and 8 and 9 and repeat the process all day long! Chug! Chug! Chug! Woo-woo-woo!
        Just keep kids from playing in the choo choo streets.
        It's a world only Senile Sleepy Joe can imagine.
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        • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 1 week, 5 days ago
          They will have to change from cow catchers to people catchers then.
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          • Posted by $ allosaur 1 week, 4 days ago
            Yes, people catchers equipped with body snatcher deep freeze storage receptacles shall only serve humanity.
            By the time all of Joe's no more motorcars choo choo dream costing trillion$ and trillion$ reaches full fruition, his starving deplorables shall be asking, "What is this soup kitchen Soylent Green?"
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 week, 5 days ago
    My cousin works for a major chip manufacturer. He has nothing but disdain for Tesla vehicles - not because of the principle of electric cars (which I disagree with) but with the shoddy design and manufacturing. In his opinion, "software companies have no business building vehicles." He goes into great detail about the idiocy of the touch interface which starts the car, then into a hundred other details which I doubt the common buyer is even aware of. As he's coming into town this week, I'll have to ask him if he adds this to his rather vouminous list of design concept failures in the Tesla vehicles.

    Myself, I just have to avoid running them over when they cut me off in traffic. I don't know whether it is just the mindset of the self-important/self-entitled people who purchase those kinds of things or what but I haven't been impressed with the ones which have nearly involved me in an accident of their creation...
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 1 week, 6 days ago
    Disappointed...thought the boy was at least 1/64 on our side...and still skeptical...
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    • Posted by dmshuler 1 week, 5 days ago
      I still believe Musk is on our side as much as he can be. Common sense is a tenet of his employment agreement. Look up the company rules that employees have to sign off on before they are hired. He's a good guy compared to Meta, Alphabet, and Microsoft.
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  • Posted by dmshuler 1 week, 5 days ago
    So, as an IT professional, I have a different perspective for you. Before you paint Musk as an evil overlord, consider every consumer/end user on the planet who is not an expert at the technology purchased. If an end user needs help with ANYTHING having to do with your technology, you'd better be able to help. Whether it's a stupid error the user caused themselves or if the technology really is failing. Without any "door" for the provider into that technology all end users are without assistance. It's not just Tesla, folks. EVERY PIECE OF TECHNOLOGY YOU OWN (if it has electronics and communications built into it for your convenience) IS CONTROLLED BY PEOPLE OTHER THAN YOU. My husband and I both like to have older models of certain pieces of technology for this very reason -- we know who owns it and who has to support it. Us.
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    • Posted by 1 week, 5 days ago
      Yes, people who are not technically astute can do some very unusual (unpredictable) things with technology.
      The tube amplifiers we build are very simple in comparison to most technology today and customers still surprise me occasionally.
      I don't have the ability to do updates to our products via the net, but I can understand the appeal.
      (I was in IT in a previous career.)
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