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"Greater Idaho" movement continues

Posted by $ blarman 2 years, 5 months ago to Politics
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As a side note, this would make the "Greater" State of Idaho the third largest - surpassing Montana. What is also critical is that it would give the "Greater" State of Idaho access to the Pacific Coast. I could very easily see a pipeline from Montana and the Dakotas running through Southern Idaho right alongside a new rail line. (There's plenty of desert out there to run those right-of-ways through.)
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 2 years, 5 months ago
    Incredible idea...will it go through?
    They'd have to build a border wall to keep all the leftest out and create a potential citizen vetting process.
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    • Posted by $ 2 years, 5 months ago
      It's highly unlikely. According to the reporting, there would have to be three separate concurring votes. First, the Oregon Legislature would have to vote to allow the counties to leave. (Many counties have already held votes declaring their secession from the State of Oregon.) Second, the Idaho Legislature would have to vote to accept the new counties. Last, the US Congress would have to ratify the deal. That's three BIG hurdles and quite frankly I don't see it getting past the first one.

      That being said, it would be totally awesome. Idaho would get a major deep-water port which already has a rail line running right to it. This would be a huge boon for all the agricultural products the Greater State of Idaho produces - which includes those world-famous potatoes.
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  • Posted by $ jdg 2 years, 5 months ago
    There's also a movement to expand West Virginia. Multiple counties in both Virginia and western Maryland have voted in favor.

    If this happened what I would expect is that WV would pick up all of Virginia west of I-95, except the parts in the DC and Richmond metro areas. This would make WV a big state and pretty much all red except Roanoke, while VA gets the two big cities plus Virginia Beach.

    I'm urging them to push ahead with it now, because the state's Republican legislature and governor won't likely last past this term.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 2 years, 5 months ago
    And ports that are not being crippled by socialist woke city governments.
    Perhaps it should be expanded to include the non-urban counties of Washington state, too.
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    • Posted by $ 2 years, 5 months ago
      That was my thought as well.

      As to Washington, its leftist population centers are a little more spread out where Oregon is dominated by Portland and Portland alone. While I certainly wouldn't turn down the inclusion of some counties in Washington, I doubt you'd get Pullman (across the state line from Moscow, home of the traditionally leftist University of Idaho campus) or Spokane (across from also-liberal Coeur D'Alene) to back such moves. The demography of Washington just isn't nearly as conducive to realignment as Oregon.

      That being said, there may be several counties in northern California which might join in...
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      • Posted by $ jdg 2 years, 5 months ago
        There have been many proposals to divide California into two states, all of which are even less likely than Greater Idaho because California's legislature will always be dominated by metro Los Angeles.

        I came up with one of my own which would divide the state into east and west parts rather than north and south as everyone else seems to want to do.

        # "Left California" would be the coastal counties from Marin to Los Angeles, plus Alameda, Contra Costa, and Santa Clara counties in the bay area, and those parts of Riverside and San Bernardino counties that are part of metro Los Angeles. So they get nearly all the major cities, and the US 101 corridor to connect it all.

        # This would leave "Right California" owning San Diego and Orange counties (both conservative majority) plus nearly all of the rural parts of the state, including the whole Central Valley, the Sierras, the wine country, and the north coast (Sonoma and above).

        This is mostly based on who is the majority in each area, except that it awards Sacramento to the right to make both states reasonably contiguous. But what will really irritate the left is that Right California gets most of the water supply.
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      • Posted by Flootus5 2 years, 5 months ago
        And don't forget Northern Nevada. So far two counties have declared themselves "Constitutional Counties". There is now a relatively new gas pipeline coming from Wyoming/Montana/Dakotas running across these counties and back up to Oregon heading for the coast. The Ruby Pipeline.

        I will predict a large problem will be the position taken by "NGM" - Nevada Gold Mines. They are the giant merger between Barrick and Newmont that occurred in the last 3 years. Major global producers of gold in Northern Nevada. Both of them have always been heavily invested in buying off the same rotten politicians and their policies that have been attacking and polishing off private property rights in the public lands for decades.

        The other large so far unstated issue is that the discussion revolves about "getting permission" from the problematic governmental entities, fed and state included. While that is correct while any semblance of economy and "rule of law" (snic) is in place, the minute the "lights go out" (think the final act in AS) the need will actually present itself as self-evident. Therefore it makes sense to have all the ground work laid for such a wise contingency.

        The new country of Absaroka! There is new state formation history behind that one too!

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absarok...
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      • Posted by $ gharkness 2 years, 5 months ago
        Indeed I was surprised to find that there was a nice red conservative "finger" of voters up in northern California. Although it's unlikely, they'd be better off and happier I'm sure!
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  • Posted by terrycan 2 years, 5 months ago
    Greater Idaho would be awesome.
    My concern is Idaho is the hottest real estate market in the country today.
    The Californians are trying to "fix" Idaho.
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    • Posted by $ 2 years, 5 months ago
      Yes, and it is ridiculous that the average rental price of anything in the Boise area (Kuna, Meridian, Star, Eagle, Garden City, etc.) is $2,000/month when the average wage is barely $40,000. Now we do have a pretty low cost of living, but still...

      We're starting to see it level off slightly but I'm predicting another crash to come. We saw one about ten years ago that lasted about 3 years. Turned a lot of homeowners into renters. This home boom has gone the other way as renters were kicked out so the owners could sell.
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      • Posted by terrycan 2 years, 5 months ago
        A correction appears imminent. Double digit appreciation is not sustainable. I expect the correction to be driven by companies moving away from remote working.
        A corporate culture can't be developed over a laptop in the kitchen with screaming kids in the backround.
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        • Posted by $ 2 years, 5 months ago
          It's primarily driven by people moving to Idaho (especially the Boise area) from heavily-regulated states. There are a LOT of California and Washington license plates on the roads. For the Californians, they are paying cash for homes despite the expense because of the ridiculous housing prices in California. The problem is that Boise's stock of apartments was already chronically low so when people got pushed out of their homes because the landlords were selling, there was nowhere in the area to go.

          As to the remote working, several of my gaming buddies work from home despite their children. They say it isn't ideal, but nobody cares about corporate "culture" anymore except the woke - and them for all the wrong reasons. And now that everyone has been working remotely effectively for more than a year, I don't see too many businesses going back. They've already had to pour tens of thousands of dollars into laptops and wireless hotspots for their employees and many of the people in my office argue that they are more productive at home. When you add in the costs to the individual worker in travel time and transportation expense commuting, working from home can quickly become very attractive even before gasoline prices skyrocketed.

          I agree that it is very difficult to create and sustain an effective corporate culture when so many people work from home. But I think that ship sailed and many businesses are going to be pressed to keep it that way. My company owns corporate real estate and finding renters/lessees is EXTREMELY difficult right now. Corporate real estate prices have plummeted despite the personal real estate boom.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 2 years, 5 months ago
    Never happen. The leftists won't allow it. How do I know? I've watched the "State of Jefferson" movement firsthand here in norcal. These efforts just fade away mysteriously after all the work gets done, signatures checked, lawmakers act. I've done a lot of work in the proposed "Jefferson" area and it would make a fine state. Beautiful, forested, etc. Very nice. This is just one man's opinion, of course.
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    • Posted by bobbitchen34 2 years, 5 months ago
      It won't happen. Northern California has all the water that southern California needs and takes. state Gov. is not going to allow that loss. They have to feed and water all their "new" voters.
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 2 years, 5 months ago
    My oldest son lived in Seattle for 13 years. He was glad to leave and return to Texas. He said he didn't 'fit in'. I'm not sure what that means but he's happy to be home.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 2 years, 5 months ago
    I never understand the need to change the state name.

    Just like when Washington was making noises about splitting the state...why let the liberals keep the "Washington" name, for their half? They probably don't want it, anyway. Let them come up with their own name, like Chavatangakwunua, and let the east siders keep Washington.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 2 years, 5 months ago
    The existing state boundaries don't make sense. I see no reason southern Oregon should be the same state as northern Oregon if they're culturally different.

    Changing the state boundaries is good, but a drawback is people on the wrong side of the border, e.g. people living in north Oregon who are culturally southern Oregonians and vice versa, would be worse off.

    We really need a spirit of liberty and state and local control, so it doesn't matter what state you live in. I support changing the boundaries, but the real issue is liberty.
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    • Posted by $ 2 years, 5 months ago
      There are always going to be red people in blue states and blue people in red states. The question is how the majority of the people align.

      Ideally, I agree with you that liberty should be the primary focus. But let's get real: Democrats want control and use coercion to push their ideology. It's incompatible with liberty. The only way to return to liberty is to return to Constitutional values as a nation. At this point, I don't think that's going to happen short of another civil war or divine intervention.
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  • Posted by tjkrbrown 2 years, 5 months ago
    What deep water port would that be? The only two I know in Oregon/Washington are Portland and Seattle.
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    • Posted by $ 2 years, 5 months ago
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      • Posted by tjkrbrown 2 years, 5 months ago
        West Coast Port Traffic
        Los Angeles 9.2M (units in TEU)
        Long Beach 8.1M (17.3M total for LA)
        NWSA (Seattle & Tacoma) 3.3M
        Oakland 2.5M
        Coos Bay about 2M ?

        Hey, I love Coos Bay. And they’re really the best choice for a major Greater Idaho/Jefferson port on the West Coast (unless San Diego can be finessed).

        A huge problem with CB is that it’s not really Red country.

        Coos Bay is historically a Democratic stronghold. Every precinct within the city voted for Obama in the 2008 and 2012. Virtually all the politicians they’ve voted for are Leftys.

        Ports appear to collect Democrats.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 2 years, 5 months ago
      I think he's thinking of Astoria. But it could also be Coos Bay.
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      • Posted by tjkrbrown 2 years, 5 months ago
        I thought of those, but it hard to imagine picking up Astoria, without stranding Portland upriver. That’d be a fight. And Coos Bay is hardly a major port. It would require a huge infrastructure investment on both land and sea.

        Still, gives one things to consider.
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