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Time for a 3rd Party

Posted by $ BobCat 4 years, 4 months ago to Politics
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I have been giving a lot of thought to the concept of a third political party.

I have been weighing the arguments, such as : It would dilute the Republican Party, a third party would never win, and it would be handing the Dems an assured victory.

While these arguments against used to hold water, I am not sure that they do in today’s political climate, at least not for me.

Since I became of voting age, some fifty years ago or so, I have voted for only two candidates who espoused my political philosophy and became Presidents. Ronald Reagan (twice) and Donald Trump. All other elections involved choosing the lesser of two undesirables.

Only twice during that time did I ever stray outside the D and R fields. Looking back, I regret allowing myself to be sucked into the line that my vote was necessary for the R’s to win over the D’s. If only more of us had refused to hold our noses and vote with our conscience, maybe things would be different today. Maybe not.

So after 50 some odd years of voting and mostly holding my nose (Dole, Bushes, McCain, and Romney), I am done with the spineless, wishy - washy, ego-elitism, chameleon party that calls itself Republican. The party of R’s that did not fully support Goldwater, the party that continually enabled middle of the road candidates whilst squashing the conservative voice, the party that was more concerned about the optics of being viewed by their opponents than in their own platform, the party that ran candidates who I still to this day am left wondering if they even wanted to win, and the party who wouldn’t even stand behind their own candidate when he did win, is no longer the party of my choice nor deserving my support.

I, for one, will support another party that stands for our Constitution, our Liberty, our Freedoms, and our Conservative Values. I no longer will be holding my nose when I vote for Liberty and Freedom and Conservatism. I will be able to say that I supported the candidate of My Choice.


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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 4 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    So, what accounts for the continued existence of political parties? Is it safety in numbers? Fear of being an individual, alone, an outcast? Is the effort required to eliminate them so overwhelming that few or none dare attempt to do so?
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  • Posted by wmiranda 4 years, 4 months ago
    I'm a term limits guy. After the last 4 years, one thing is certain, I will not vote for any democrat, ever. If Trump or another businessman with like Trump ideas were to form a third party, I would be in it. Especially if the party's platform include support for term limits.

    Some argue that term limits can be gained simply by voting. Obviously, that hasn't worked because the same people that get into office just keep getting reelected, mainly by the same people that put them there.

    I think a third party would draw the best from the Repubs and some from the Dems that don't like what the Dems have become. Let the Rinos left in the Republican party stab themselves in the back. It's Karma after the lack of loyalty to Trump.

    We need to return government to the people with term limits. Instead, we have created a political royalty class whos main effort after being elected goes towards getting reelected.

    So, a Trump-like third party? Hell yeah!
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  • Posted by anthonysd 4 years, 4 months ago
    in terms of the "wishy-washy" candidates, I thought something was up when they referred to their "Progressive Friends in the room" at one point or another... Bush 41 was the first time I noticed it.... and considering his background, it validates most conspiracy theories for me... :(
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  • Posted by $ rjim 4 years, 4 months ago
    What most people don't know is many states have laws that prevent a 3rd party from even being on the ballot.
    The primaries are so controlled that good people have a very difficult time winning a chance to be in the regular elections.
    Heck, one cannot even elect new people to party committees as there is so much abuse, it almost impossible to elect new people in the primaries to run against the opposing party.

    If we are not able to elect new people at the lowest levels, they will never be available in the actual elections.

    As I previously stated, many states have laws on the books that prevent a 3rd parties from even being on the ballots. Corruption at the lowest level needs to be fixed first before the national vote can elect good people.

    I have personally seen how bad it is, as I was a county chair for a 3rd party for a short while. I have seen how 3rd parties were stripped from being able to place a candidate on a ballot. Major party leaders control who will run in their party structures, regardless of voter wishes.

    Our elections are built on quicksand, not on a rock foundation.

    The bottom line is if people are not elected in primaries, and they cannot get their name on a ballot, there cannot be elected.

    Even when there is a choice about 40% will vote D no matter what and 40% will vote R no matter what. A 3rd party cannot win with only 20% of the vote. Overall, people will not support a 3rd party, even though they say they will. It is easier to take over a party than to support one that already exists or build a new one.
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  • Posted by Ben_C 4 years, 4 months ago
    I agree 100% with your assessment. I too have been voting since 1966. I did in fact vote for Ross Perot. The problem as I see it is that we will have 20 to 30 million aliens voting in our elections who will surely vote for the Democrats and their "free" programs. That said, we have nothing to lose with a third party and at least will have the platform to educate the electorate on their foolish ways. Once the general population is removed from their comfort zone the revolution will begin. It is inevitable.
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  • Posted by upston 4 years, 4 months ago
    Well said BC. Is a third party easy , hell no, BUT the Rino class has had a strangle hold on us for ever and all efforts to change from within have been crushed.
    DJT did his best but without a party structure in support no President can turn back the state.

    10 seats in the senate and 40 in the house could wield a lot of power and block all the expansion of crazy on both sides. This could be a done deal in 2022 and by 2024 be a full third of both houses.
    If nothing is done THIS cycle we will have no chance to claw back to a free state, 30 million new voters from the south , the courts the schools the media .

    It's time for a bold move, it may not work but not doing it is a guarantee of failure. If not us ,who, if not now , never.
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  • Posted by Rex_Little 4 years, 4 months ago
    " I have voted for only two candidates who espoused my political philosophy and became Presidents. Ronald Reagan (twice) and Donald Trump."

    Trump espoused a political philosophy?? When did that happen? I must have blinked or something.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 4 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    George Washington was very much against political parties and warned about them specifically in his Farewell address.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 4 years, 4 months ago
    The problem is the Twelfth Amendment. That was the amendment which effectively installed a two-party system of government by putting the vote for President and Vice-President on the same ticket. The reason why a third party is difficult from a viability standard is solely because we moved away from a second-place finish (for President) being valuable (the Vice President's position).

    Another major problem is the Seventeenth Amendment, which effectively eliminated the Senate as representatives of the States. You would hold a much better chance of being elected as a Senator if it were the State Legislatures doing the picking rather than the hordes of clueless people.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 4 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We had our chance to drain the swamp. The swamp creatures successfully fought back, much like the Empire from The Empire Strikes Back.
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  • Posted by mspalding 4 years, 4 months ago
    Libertarians have the 3rd largest party in the US. They aren't diluted with anti-liberty ideas.
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  • Posted by $ 4 years, 4 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Can’t drain the swamp when the drain is clogged with scum... it’s time for a massive, massive flood of fresh water to cause the swamp to overflow ...
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 4 years, 4 months ago
    We actually need to clean out the swamp. We must do something about the fraudulent elections. Parties won't matter if elections are illegal.
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  • Posted by j_IR1776wg 4 years, 4 months ago
    Why do we need any political parties at all? Why can't we have individuals campaigning for office based on their individual political governing philosophy?
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  • Posted by Dobrien 4 years, 4 months ago
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 4 years, 4 months ago
    There's speculation that Trump may (or may not) start what is called a Patriot Party.
    It's a nice dream that it will draw patriotic Republicans out of the GOP and leave the self-serving RINOs behind.
    Me dino would like to see such a thing happen but I'm not holding my breath.
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