This case went the way it did specifically because it was NOT about the 2nd Amendment. It is about the 4th Amendment. With that skin-wrapped turd, Roberts, in there, it is unclear where any split vote will go.

I do share your Pipe Dream though!

I couldn’t agree more. When you read the car-stop statute and precedent the police were hiding behind it is overwhelmingly clear. They were trying to legislate from the bench. They should all be fired. Impeaching would be excellent.

each of those lower court judges should be disbarred. They violated their oaths and each has no business being a judge.
My 2 bits.

My Pipe Dream, The SCOTUS comes out with a statement that reads these simple terms and they will hear no more about it. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"!
What part of 2A do these idiots not understand? The Constitution is the law of the land in all 50 states and the SCOTUS should make it absolutely clear that the states do not have the authority to rewrite any of the Constitutional Amendments and they will gladly hear any cases in violation of the Constitution at the states expense.
In other words, if a state violates the Constitution and I bring a suit against the state over this violation and win the suit, the state can pay all the legal fees related to the case. This kind of ruling would stop the states dead in their tracks unless they are very sure the overreaching violation will stand up in the SCOTUS.
The NY State SAFE ACT is an absolute violation of the Constitution's second amendment and an infringement on all New York residents rights. I don't care if a gun is Black, Brown, Red, Yellow or Pink. As long as the gun is legally possessed by a legal citizen of this country there should be no further infringements. I have owned well over 100 guns in my near 70 years and not a single one of them has ever intentionally harmed another human being while in my possession. If it harms you because you stuck it in your mouth and pulled the trigger then the gun did exactly what it was supposed to do, Too F ING bad and I am pissed because you used one of my tools to do your dirty deed. Please just stand in your bathtub and plug your blow dryer into a non ground fault outlet.

Yes, that alone is alarming. The key point being Police can now legally seize your guns provided they find the right judge.
Waterloo.....feel like I win when I lose.

I have a bumper sticker: "Black Guns Matter" with an outline of an AR.

How about black guns?

Agreed! Red Flag laws are exactly the type of overreach used in this case.

So long as we can get at least a 5 to 4 verdict against red flag laws I'm ok. Red flag laws are WAY too easily abused. I completely agree that Roberts is compromised.

So long as we can get at least a 5 to 4 verdict against red flag laws I'm ok.

Yes, it does underscore how bad it is. Three lower courts upheld the police action against the person's 4th Amendment rights!!!!!!!!!

I posted this last week. Appropriately, skeptical people noted that this ruling (9-0), might be a trade for the next ruling against firearm rights. I'd like to be optimistic, as we both noted in our posts. However, John Roberts is compromised. He is not voting like a conservative or in accordance with his youth.

I view this as the camel trying to get his nose in the tent.

To make ruling to state the obvious only undermines the legitimacy of the Constitution. We don't need a ruling over such things and we certainly don't need to establish president for a founding principle. By default the premise is moot and time should never have been wasted,, the case should have turned away with a rebuke. This only underscores how far this nation has fallen.

In order to destroy America from the inside, this is one of the things fragile terrorists will need to do.
Hard to imagine what they're going to do when they double down

The vote was 9 - 0.