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  • Posted by rhfinle 1 month ago
    I'm really astonished at the ad campaign blitz in the last few weeks. The message is, "You're an idiot if you don't get with the program and take our vaccine." Biden just threatened non-compliant persons with dire consequences. A mask-wearing nurse accosted us in a restaurant Saturday, wringing her hands and saying "too many lives lost". My Bio-Engineering daughter logically jerked a knot in her tail. This isn't about the Wuhan Flu. This is about the Left imposing their self-conferred control on everyone, and taking names of the ones who don't submit to their supposed authority.
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  • Posted by $ 1 month ago
    "There is not one credible scientific study published in the medical literature demonstrating that high fevers, chills, headache, joint and muscle aching, disabling fatigue and other symptoms following vaccination are “good” for the body and indicate the body is successfully producing artificial immunity "

    Boy, it' a good sign that your in pain after getting the vaccine, sounds more like Post Modern illogic to me.
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    • Posted by Lucky 1 month ago
      I suspect that statement is misleading.
      Some of those symptoms, eg the fever- high temperature, have been observed to correlate with production of antibodies.
      Not everyone will experience discomfort while this is happening.

      Is the statement saying antibodies are worthless?
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      • Posted by $ 1 month ago
        No, they are saying there is no scientific evidence that feeling as bad (much worse than fever and high temps) as Most do after getting the vaccine is good for the body.
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        • Posted by lrshultis 1 month ago
          Sure that is good for the body if that is what the body needs to do to produce antibodies. Some bodies may already have antibodies against the specific glycoprotein from the SARS COV 2 virus due to past exposure to that specific antigen.
          Just how would you investigate the goodness
          to the body other than the final result of the treatment.
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          • Posted by $ 1 month ago
            I think she is referring to the bodies responses to the vaccine in this case.
            Don't remember anyone getting the flu From the flu shot.
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            • Posted by lrshultis 1 month ago
              No one gets covid-19 from a mRNA vaccine. It is not a virus but rather contains a string of mRNA which produces an antigen which the B white cells detect and then produce antibodies for that antigen. Absolutely no way that the mRNA vaccines produce the SARS-CoV 2 virus to infect the person or any other person.
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              • Posted by Lucky 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                No one gets covid-19 from a mRNA vaccine-
                could be wrong.
                If-
                the vax works by increasing antibodies. But, there is an initial decrease, low for 2 weeks, then build up. Immunity is lower while the antibody level is lower.
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              • Posted by $ 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                Sorry, what I meant was Flu Symptoms...which quite a few, are from the mrna shots. Mild to really bad reactions amount to 68,000 according to the last article I read.
                Glad my wife and I stayed away from the mrna shots...my body doesn't like Anything allopathic in nature anyway.
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                • Posted by lrshultis 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                  You might weigh those 68000 mild to really bad reactions to the the rate of mild to really bad reactions due to having covid-19. Compare also the number of vaccinations and bad reactions to the number infected by the virus to the number of reactions. The number infected by the virus is much smaller than the number of vaccinations given.
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                  • Posted by $ 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                    Total numbers of those that actually died of covid only amounts to 5/6% of the total they tell us died of covid. On the CDC site, probably the only truth there on that site.
                    About 31,500
                    Plus, the NIH (I think) stated that they suspect that only 1% of adverse reactions are reported.

                    At the Hospice where I work, 95% of the people that got P and M vaccines had bad reactions and most were out sick for several days. One young man died 2 days after his second shot of M.

                    The other odd thing is that after a year of this bull and about a 1000 visitors a month, we never observed covid in our people, patients nor guests.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 month ago
    Finally some sanity comes to the discussion!

    Personally, I think the biggest mistake was the one which allowed Pfizer and Moderna to offer these treatments as "vaccines" in the first place given that they don't confer immunity. They should have been forced to offer their products as what they are: a risk-mitigation strategy primarily for those at higher risk from the pathogen, ie 60+ with other serious health conditions.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 1 month ago
      What do you mean by "they don't confer immunity"? They do result in a immune response to the virus with the particular antigen. They are actual vaccines because they do result in the intended immune response.
      The main problem with the mRNA vaccines was the FDA not allowing an actual test of effectiveness. They allowed a test of two groups, one vaccinated and on not vaccinated. Then observed the numbers of infected in each group while going about their business. Found that the vaccine was 95% effective. Meaning that large numbers of vaccinated cases could still occur. I read that the companies would have preffered to do an actual test by exposing the vaccinated group, after some time to allow antibodies to be produce, to the virus. There was fear that someone might be hurt by such a procedure. So now the actual test is being done on hundreds of millions of people. I am not certain as to how efficacious the vaccine has been due to some natural decrease in the disease could also be involved.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 1 month ago
        "They do result in a immune response to the virus with the particular antigen."

        That is still being reviewed. According to the information posted above, the only claims made by Pfizer and Moderna were that their treatments ameliorated symptoms - not that they conferred immunity. If one remembers, that was another reason why some were saying that the shots may have to be a recurring thing (every six months).

        "The main problem with the mRNA vaccines was the FDA not allowing an actual test of effectiveness."

        That's what happens when the government grants an emergency use exception without the normal clinical trials. Yes, those trials would have required another 3-5 years. A choice had to be made. The choice was to opt for an immediate response and hoping for limited severe consequences. I simply say that all of this should have been made public with the offering of the treatments. Two of my wife's friends died from getting the shots and her sister nearly followed them. IMHO there have been more than enough severe adverse reactions (blood clots, etc.) to warrant a recall of the treatments pending further testing and study, but they are being pushed now for political/control purposes (vaccine passports, etc.)
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        • Posted by lrshultis 1 month ago
          What what was the actual evidence that the vaccine was the cause of the deaths rather than possibly just happened separately from the injection of the vaccine?
          I have not seen anything about blood clots from the mANA vaccines, but rather related to the J&J vaccine in a small number of cases.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 1 month ago
            One was in perfect health and died two days after getting the shot due to massive shut-down of all her body's systems. The other died a week later from a blood clot which got into her lungs - an problem acknowledged by Great Britain and other European nations as associated with the "vaccine" shots. She was 40 with no history of chronic health problems. She left two kids behind.

            With respect to my sister-in-law, she got her second shot just before joining us for Spring Break (she and her family were escaping Portland). She continued to get more and more miserable the entire week. Upon returning, the doctors immediately admitted her and pumped 11 pounds of fluid out of her abdomen and shot her full of heavy antibiotics. (To note: she's a health nut and 11 pounds is probably 10% of her body weight. We have a picture from my father-in-law's birthday celebration and she is in notably-poor condition. You can see the bulge in her stomach and it doesn't look natural.)

            Now you can be as skeptical as you want, but the ONLY change any of the three had in their lives in the applicable time frame was the "shot." I'm going with Occam's razor because I am not privileged enough to have the coroner's reports.
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            • Posted by lrshultis 1 month ago
              Occam's razor is not applicable in this case as it would not be applicable to say water was the cause of cancer since all cancer patients use water and might be the most likely cause without finding actual evidence toward the cause.
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              • Posted by $ blarman 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                Are these cases of circumstantial evidence? Yes. Like I said, I'm not privy to the coroner's reports. But the overwhelming LACK of any other possible cause brings Occam's Razor into play. Occam's Razor does not try to posit any particular cause (nor does it utilize analogies), it just tells one not to discard the most obvious or simple cause simply because one does not sympathize with the implications thereof.
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              • Posted by Russpilot 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                You are really going out of your way to make defenses of the jab. You sure they didn't have you drink some kool aid while you were getting God knows what stuck into your body?
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                • Posted by lrshultis 4 weeks ago
                  I am not defending it. I am just pointing out that one does not jump to conclusions without an investigation of a number of possible causes before deciding that one's Occam's razor decission has any reason to be true.
                  Besides, if there is a definitely good result for choosing to be vaccinated compared to possible adverse effects from not being vaccinated then get vaccinated. Bad accidents can happen, that is part of life. Don't get into feeling, what a "good boy am I", thinking that you are helping humanity. Just help yourself by getting all the information available about the vaccine and choosing to take it or not. The key word is 'choosing', not just go by what your told or doing patriotic servitude to the government. No government, at least, in the USA, is forcing anyone, except for military or others in chosen servitude, to get the vaccine injection. I don't like the term 'jab' because it is euphemism to make the injection seem like no substance is being placed within the body.
                  Since I am alone and home bound I am waiting to see which vaccine turns out safest and efficacious. I expect side effects just as there are side effects due to the immune system making antibodies for the SARS CoV 2 virus.
                  I don't drink Koolaid like those Jim Jones followers who did so in the name of that God you refer to.
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              • Posted by Lucky 4 weeks, 1 day ago
                Occams Razor- do not multiply entities beyond necessity -
                It means,
                do not make explanations needlessly complex.

                If there were deaths after the shot, check out what the shot does as an explanation, first.
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