I've said this before, but there's a simple solution. Quit identifying sports leagues as "men's" or "women's." Instead, call them "open" and "X-only". The Y chromosome in a person's DNA confers advantages in upper body strength and other athletic attributes. Therefore, anyone who wants to compete in an X-only league must submit a DNA sample which proves the absence of a Y chromosome.

who cares

Indeed she did, and clearly the best women are better than all but the best men. The two normal curves have significant overlap, but when you get out to 4SD the difference between the populations become pretty stark.

And note, in no way do I think that there should be a "mens" only sport. If there is a division that is considered "most challenging", then anyone should be able to enter and compete.

In the fictional series "The Queen's Gambit", when Beth enters her first tournament she is unrated (chess has ratings) they want to put her in the "beginners" division with ratings under 1600. She demands to be in the "open" division and, of course, wins.

The question is whether the "open" division is the only venue. The introduction of Title IX required institutions to support women's sports and spawned opportunities for sports scholarships for women.

We are beginning to see some women play football at the high school level. There is even talk that there might be a female NFL kicker someday.

I've struggled to think of a sport where women have a clear advantage, gymnastics comes to mind -- there are things that can be done with a great muscle to weight ratio that are impressive -- and why it tends to be even young women. But in those sports they tend to use different criteria for men. That trick only applies to sports judged on points.

If men want to convert to be a woman, no problem. Let them get pregnant and give birth, then we can talk about letting them compete in other women-only sports. I understand that research is being done to move in that direction (trans pregnancy).

It's insanity and I find the whole trend repulsive. It's typical of the left's strategy of constantly perverting norms and demonizing anyone who pushes back. Any leftist "woman" who thinks this is a good idea can be likened to the pajama boy of the male side. I think she probably isn't the kind of girl who would be competing in sports anyway unless it was rigged in their favor.
They get their kicks from virtue signaling and assuming moral superiority over anyone who disagrees with them, knowing they will be protected by the media, which is true...for now.

I doubt a transgender league would last very long since who else would watch except out of a prurient/perverted sense of curiosity?

Are you not listening to the "I'm now a boy" or "I'm now a girl" declarations.
Having a "league of their own" isn't going to suffice because, a male that thinks "he" is a female will not back off into the fog of "maybe". That blows their entire scheme.
Now, what exactly does Title 9 say? Are there any details in it that clarifies the biological state of being?
Just creating a specific league will only make the transgender folk be seen as a circus act.
Which maybe......it is...

What do you mean "women will never win"? Brigid Kosgei ran faster than 45,933 people. Presumably, at least some of those were men...

The winners of >70% of the marathons iin the world are generally from the Kalinjin tribe in Kenya. By your logic, there should then be a 'blacks only' marathon, or maybe even a Kalinjin-only marathon.

Jan

I have a good friend who's daughter is one of the best cross-country runners in the nation. She was receiving offers for full-ride scholarships as a freshman in high school. Then they started seeing what was going on in Connecticut where they were allowing obvious guys to compete in sprinting. It was crushing to her, because her younger brother is as good as she is (both hold the state records in their respective sex categories).

If your only reason to compete against women is because you aren't man enough to compete with your own, you have bigger issues.

There are two questions in play here. #1:: should there be separate sports divisions for women and #2: if there are separate divisions then should trans women compete in the woman's division.

You have answered #1 in the negative. Knowing you, you would rather strive to win and never succeed than succeed in a lesser venue. That is worthy of respect. But should we accept that there are some sports where women will never win?

The current women's world record for the marathon is 2:14:04, it was set in the Chicago Marathon in 2019. It was a mixed gender race so everyone was running together. She finished 23rd in that race. It took some effort to find that out because most accounts only publish the top 10. If they didn't keep separate records the top woman in the world would not be listed.

I agree with Thoritsu. I am a woman, and I have competed against men (sometimes very strong men) in martial arts for over 40 years. Yes,most men are stronger than most women, but some women are stronger than some men - and some men are stronger than most other men.

The sport I compete in is quasi-full-contact. You strike blows that are strong enough to dent 14 gauge stainless steel, but men who are stronger than that have to hold back and cannot use their full strength. There are also rules that keep a bigger person from simply punting his opponent out of the arena.

Skill counts. I can take many guys who are a lot stronger than I am. I do not have to worry about whether my opponent is trans or male or female - I just try to win the fight.

So no, not only does this not 'frost' me, but it is a step in the right direction. If you really want to separate out categories of competition, then do so by a non-gender-based category, such as is used in boxing, ie 'welterweight'; you could even include the strength differential on an individual basis and sort people into categories based on muscle density, which would automatically sort the Y-chromosome trans into higher competitive levels while their therapy was still taking effect, but into lower ones after they had fully transitioned.

The idea that 'all men are stronger than all women' is Victorian and inaccurate. We need to move away from that. It is also good psychologically for women to compete in sports against men, and win or lose depending on their individual skills and abilities.

Jan

Lets see, there used to be the Orange Bowl, the Cotton Bowl, The Rose Bowl, etc ... now they can have the Fruit's Bowl ...

Hadn't thought about that tune in quite a while, now it will be playing in my mind all day ... not sure if I should thank you or not ... sarc

I would absolutely love am MMA Trans league. There is just something about watching a couple of men who identify as woman beating the balls off each other.

The Kinks song, "Lola" comes to mind, here.

Not until 10 years after CASTRATION and heavy dose regimen of hormonal therapy.....

And a sedentary lifestyle....

I doubt that the "lady gulchers" could explain this insanity...it takes the kind of twisted mentality that no objective mind can comprehend. Even feminists are having trouble with it.

I agree with a Transgender league.

Get rid of gendered sports all together. Just have "Sports" open to all. Solves this issue and renders Title 9 irrelevant as well.

This is argumentative, but I'd love to hear the Rainbow Crowd arguing that men are stronger than women, and it is therefore unfair.

Could not have said it better myself. This is insanity.

This is my opinion - exactly. If somebody is trans they should have a trans league. Period. To have a guy built like me or bigger/stronger with a penis competing against a female in most sports is a total joke. It's a farce. It's a joke being played on the rest of us....

I think they should have a Transgender league and compete against one another. Men are men and women are women.