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My Testimony on CT's Proposed Gun Bans

Posted by Eudaimonia 13 years, 4 months ago to Politics
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The reference I make to Dr. Angelo Codevilla is from his landmark piece: "America’s Ruling Class — And the Perils of Revolution"
http://spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16...

SOURCE URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y1iJcBi_89M


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    • Posted by 13 years, 4 months ago
      These bills are a done deal.
      The hearing was totally pro forma, and everyone knew it.
      My wife and I have our plans to move to WY already in place.
      As we have lived in CT all our lives, we do winter and snow, so WY is good.
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  • Posted by quotequad 13 years, 4 months ago
    Wyoming?

    Come on, New Hampshire is right up the road from you.
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    • Posted by 13 years, 4 months ago
      @quotequad, Right now I live in the last liberty-minded county in CT.
      But even so, it is so infiltrated by Marxists that it is just a matter of time before it falls to the communists as well.
      I have lived in New Hampshire before and I can assure you that it is not now what it once was. Even though there is a liberty stronghold there, it also is too infiltrated.
      Why would I trade my location and not my situation?
      Therefore, Wyoming.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 13 years, 4 months ago
    Generally speaking:
    If you have guns, experience with guns, like guns, believe you are safer with them than without them, have statistics and history on your side, recognize the benefit, you are a gun nut, extremist, who doesn’t care, even though you believe it saves innocent lives and we need guns, you are Wrong and Unenlightened!

    But:

    If you have no guns, little experience with guns, fear guns, believe you are safer without them, have no statistics or history on your side, are oblivious to the benefit, you are rational, moderate, you care, and regardless of the more bloody outcome you want guns banned. You are Righteous in your Brilliance!


    Many Americans have died defending our liberties’ and our rights; the second amendment is among them.

    http://www.nragive.com/ringoffreedom/ind...

    Remember.
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    Posted by DJL 13 years, 4 months ago
    Hmm. Codevilla's (way too long) piece is simply another version of the ruling class he loathes, full of pronouncements of localized, Christian-faith-enforced, anti-abortion, strike-down-Title II of the Civil Rights Bill-Country Class-counties. Poach's support of them is no better. Sad, because Codevilla's intro is excellent until he does exactly what he loathes and talks about controlling other people's faith and choices - just another version of the Ruling Class control wielded by the Democrats he implores. How about another option: put the bible, moral pronouncements, and the guns away (voluntarily), THEN talk about decentralizing government in a way that reverses the Democratic on-its-way-to-Orwellian oversight and ultimately allows rationality and individuality and inter-dependence to prevail. I suspect that this is the true intention of the Constitution, versus the "good" one promoted by Codevilla in his self-contradicting article summarized hap-hazardly, including its flaws, by Mr. Poach. I'm surprised at the acceptance it has garnered from this group -- it's as though everyone read the first few paragraphs and nothing more.
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    • Posted by 13 years, 4 months ago
      DJL, thank you for watching and commenting on my testimony.
      For my own benefit, could you please provide specific citations from my testimony where I summarized Dr. Codevilla's piece.
      Also could you provide specific citations to your claim that Dr. Codevilla's piece is "full of pronouncements of localized, Christian-faith-enforced, anti-abortion, strike-down-Title II of the Civil Rights Bill-Country Class-counties".

      Thank you.
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    Posted by dcb1888 13 years, 4 months ago
    Has society not come beyond this type of soap box, pro-gun, chest puffing bluster? My version of utopia is gun free & as fanciful or naive as that may sound, it's a damn sight better than horrific alternative that we are all too commonly faced with as a result of lax gun control
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    • Posted by 13 years, 4 months ago
      dcb1888: I believe you said that you live in England, as such, you might not be as familiar with some of the regional issues in the US.
      I would ask you watch the video again, and when you do, look beyond the subject of "guns", and consider that I am trying to plead reason to a group of government zealots who know that they will make instant criminals out of 500,000 of their constituents and not care... because those constituents are considered nothing more than unenlightened "soap box, pro-gun, chest puffing bluster"-ers.

      500,000.
      Overnight.
      Comply, or go to jail.
      In America.

      Yes, that will get me a little passionate.
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      • Posted by $ kathywiso 13 years, 4 months ago
        You did a wonderful job and yes, most of us are as passionate as you are. Some of the others, I'm not sure if they are on the right website. Stripping us of our right to defend ourselves is outrageous, to say the least. Those of us who aren't blinded by the left know the purpose. You stepped out and voiced your opinion and now you will be the target instead of the criminals that should be. Common Sense is so rare, except of course, our own Uncommon Sense !! What you said was exactly what needed to be said at this forum, and I knew their minds were already made up, as you did, but great 3 minutes and 20 seconds of standing your ground. Wishing you the best in WY, I've heard it is a beautiful state and now they will have a few more assets !!!
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    • Posted by UncommonSense 13 years, 4 months ago
      I guess you're right. When seconds count, the cops are only minutes away...ok, now wait & hope the bad guys aren't looking for you, your wife, your daughter, son, "partner", etc...maybe they'll just go away peacefully & respect your space. Come on! Wake up! Stop being a fool for the left! There are other sites who welcome such ideology: huffington post, slate, move-on.org, just to name a few. This is not the place for you.
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    • Posted by $ jmlesniewski 13 years, 4 months ago
      This video wasn't really pro-guns specifically. It was more an abstract statement on rights in general.

      I don't really think your "version of utopia" is naive. Rather, it's misguided. First, the idea of "utopia" is unachievable. Second, you can't define a society by tools. A gun is a tool. People use tools how they want.
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      • Posted by khalling 13 years, 4 months ago
        jm, did you miss the part where Eudaimonia said he was taking his family and leaving the state if Conn passed any new gun laws?
        I agree with your second statement
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        • Posted by $ jmlesniewski 13 years, 4 months ago
          There was no concrete as to why though and what the battle he was fighting is. He said he was fighting for rights and against the coming progressive utopia which the ruling class was coming to based on the Hegelian Dialectic. None of those ideas are concretes.

          For the sake of clarity:
          I am using abstract to mean an idea that doesn't refer to a defined thing in reality.

          I am using concrete to mean a defined thing in reality.
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          • Posted by khalling 13 years, 4 months ago
            he did not trust the govt (ruling class) to uphold his rights. He specifically mentioned his right to own firearms. He specifically said he anticipated many would leave "say goodbye to your tax base."
            Rand's definition of abstract ideas are "...conceptual integrations which subsume an incalculable number of concretes." PWNI
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            • Posted by $ jmlesniewski 13 years, 4 months ago
              Exactly, he was using a lot of conceptual integrations without mentioning the existents they refer to. He said ruling class, but it is unclear what he means. Who? How? Even "the government" is an abstraction, as it is a collection of individuals.
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              • Posted by 13 years, 4 months ago
                JML: I was purposefully being a bit obtuse in my identification of "The Ruling Class".
                It was a tactful calling out 5/6ths of the very committee I was sitting before.

                If you would like to know more about the terms "Ruling Class" and "Country Class" in the context I am using them, take some time to read the linked article to the piece by Codevilla. It is an excellent work, Codevilla is spot on in his assessment.

                I did not expound on the issue at hand in the meeting because there had already been 18 straight hours of testimony on it, (I was one of the last to speak due to a really crappy lottery slot), and only 3 minutes were allowed per speaker.

                However, the issue in a nutshell is that the Marxists in Connecticut, including the Legislature (Codevilla's "Ruling Class") have co-opted the horrific massacre at Newtown and are cynically using it as justification to push a ridiculous amount of bills on gun control, in a brute force attempt to see what they can slip past.
                If all the bills were to pass, then *every* firearm except single shot, bolt action, hunting rifles would be outlawed and those rifles which were still allowed would have to be registered, permitted, and heavily regulated.

                I know you probably didn't have any questions to begin with, but if you do have any which I haven't answered, I'd be happy to do so.
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