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Most Europeans, Including Hospital Staff, Refuse To Take COVID Vaccine

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"Europe rolled out a huge COVID-19 vaccination drive on Sunday to try to rein in the coronavirus pandemic but even more Europeans than American are sceptical about the speed at which the vaccines have been tested and approved and reluctant to have the shot.

While the European Union has secured contracts drugmakers including Pfizer, Moderna and AstraZeneca, for a total of more than two billion doses and has set a goal for all adults to be inoculated next year, this is looking increasingly like a pipe dream: according to recent surveys, the local population has expressed "high levels of hesitancy" towards inoculation in countries from France to Poland, with many used to vaccines taking decades to develop, not just months.

“I don’t think there’s a vaccine in history that has been tested so quickly,” Ireneusz Sikorski, 41, said as he stepped out of a church in central Warsaw with his two children.

"I am not saying vaccination shouldn’t be taking place. But I am not going to test an unverified vaccine on my children, or on myself."

Smart: why take the risk of getting vaccinated when others will do it, resulting in the same outcome.

Surveys in Poland, where distrust in public institutions runs deep, show that fewer than 40% of people planning to get vaccinated. Worse, according to Reuters on Sunday, only half the medical staff in a Warsaw hospital where the country’s first shot was administered had signed up. And if the doctors don't trust the vaccine, one can be certain that the broader population will refuse to take it.

The situation is similar in Spain, one of Europe’s hardest-hit countries, where 28-year-old singer and music composer German summarizes the skepticism of a broad range of the population, and plans to wait for now.

“No one close to me has had it (COVID-19). I’m obviously not saying it doesn’t exist because lots of people have died of it, but for now I wouldn’t have it (the vaccine).”

nobody in Europe seems to care about these "scientific" justifications. Independent pollster Alpha Research said its recent survey suggested that fewer than one in five Bulgarians from the first groups to be offered the vaccine - frontline medics, pharmacists, teachers and nursing home staff - planned to volunteer to get a shot.

An IPSOS survey of 15 countries published on Nov. 5 showed then that 54% of French would have a COVID vaccine if one were available. The figure was 64% in Italy and Spain, 79% in Britain and 87% in China.

Since then things have gone far worse, and a more recent IFOP poll showed that only 41% people in France would take the shot. This means that a vast majority will not."
SOURCE URL: https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/major-covid-vaccine-glitch-emerges-most-europeans-including-hospital-staff-refuse-take-it


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  • Posted by $ Abaco 3 weeks, 4 days ago
    Last I heard - Here in the U.S. only 1/3 of the nurses said there were going to take it. 1/3 was maybe and 1/3 no... So, I'm not surprised by this at all. What I'm curious about is how the establishment will respond to increase profits.

    Notice how Pfizer and Moderna sock has done since the vaccines started getting delivered? Not very well. And, Pfizer's CEO said they didn't prove that it would stop the spread, and he hadn't taken in - as of about 2 weeks ago.

    Very interesting...
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  • Posted by term2 3 weeks, 3 days ago
    Its the possible side effects that people are concerned about- including me. Once you get jabbed, whatever is going to happen, happens. I will let a lot of other people take it and see how they do with the second shot.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 3 weeks, 3 days ago
    I don't know why these people are hesitant. These are unprecedented times and the only way for businesses to open back up fully is for the government to track everyone all the time based on their compliance with the vaccines. We sure can't trust people to make decisions for themselves. [/sarcasm]
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 3 weeks, 4 days ago
    Eyes Wide Open they have. Some on our staff have seen the light as well...even with supposedly covid infected patients from Yale, (with no symptoms what so ever)...covid has yet to show it's ugly face here.
    What are the Odds? Hundreds of people come to Hospice to visit their sick family members...Not One, again, NOT ONE has brought covid to our door step.
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    • Posted by term2 3 weeks, 3 days ago
      I say the likelihood of meeting up with a random person with contagious coronavirus is quite remote, unless you go to a crowed nightclub, cruise shop, rock concert, etc.
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      • Posted by $ gharkness 3 weeks, 3 days ago
        You can leave "cruise ship" off the list. Looking back at the data on the cruise ships at the beginning of the pandemic, the actual incidence was not considered to be unusually high, given the age of the passengers (once everyone got past the panic stage). In fact, looking at retirement/care homes, FAR more people died there than on cruise ships. I don't have the actual numbers at hand; I'm going by what I have read over time. If I need to be more specific I can do some digging.
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  • Posted by $ prof611 3 weeks, 3 days ago
    Why are we even having this conversation? COVID is NO THREAT to ANYONE any more. Why take a vaccine against a virus that has a 99.99+% chance of our NOT catching it? And if one does catch it, there are plenty of ways to cure it - HCQ, for one.
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    • Posted by term2 3 weeks, 3 days ago
      the fauci people are using scare tactics on us. They make us wear masks to announce our willingness to be sheep and follow whatever it told us. Next they want us to take the vaccine
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  • Posted by NealS 3 weeks, 2 days ago
    Has anyone noticed they talk about "side effects" but never seem to tell us what that entails? What are the side effects that they are so concerned about, maybe the prick of the needle? I'm getting the vaccine ASAP, a Vietnam Vet, Agent Orange exposed, 78 year old, with severe COPD and Coronary Artery Disease, so they tell me. I worried more about mortars, rockets, and bullets than Agent Orange (actually I wasn't really even aware of the later) when I was there. What have I got to lose?
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 3 weeks, 2 days ago
    My wife who is an RN and is only working part time at a local eye surgery center that it doesn't look like until sometime in 2021 that medical facilities in Arizona will receive the Covid vaccine. She won't take it either until she see if there is any adverse reaction to the Moderna or Astra Zenica vaccines. The same goes for myself.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 3 weeks, 3 days ago
    BTW, I finally had someone make MY ARGUMENT about being able to SKIP Vaccinations...

    1) If Vaccines Work, then ONLY THOSE not taking them are at risk. They OPTED for that risk. Done.

    2) If vaccines don't work well enough to protect those that take it. THEN YOU HAVE NO RIGHT to DEMAND someone take it! You are asking for someone else to carry a risk, without PROOF of any kind of reward. Either they work, and it doesn't matter if I don't take it. Or YOU ADMIT they don't work, and then you can't force me.

    I am good Either way.

    I will pass...

    The wussification of America continues!
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  • Posted by tdechaine 3 weeks, 3 days ago
    I can't believe all this skepticism. If you look at how the vaccines were developed so quickly, then you would understand why they should be as safe as any others. What do you think trials are for?
    We have to get herd immunity via the vaccines; get them to save our economy.
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    • Posted by $ Ben_C 3 weeks, 3 days ago
      Herd immunity will occur mostly from natural exposure and supplemented with vaccinations (assuming they actually work). Do the trials include challenge with the street virus or is it simply producing antibodies and are the antibodies actually effective? What is the mortality rate for vaccinated patients if c challenged by the street virus? Not enough answers fore me
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      • Posted by tdechaine 3 weeks, 3 days ago
        Natural exposure is not enough with the lockdowns.
        Effectiveness is essentially proven. Mortality rate - 0; throughout trials and since.
        Far too skeptical.
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        • Posted by $ Ben_C 3 weeks, 3 days ago
          Yes, I am skeptical. Define the trials. But I do support your premise that lockdowns interfere with herd immunity (other than in large metropolitan areas ie New York). In New York the population density is high and being confined to an apartment most likely increases the risk of exposure vs being outside.
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    • Posted by $ gharkness 3 weeks, 3 days ago
      As a human being, it's my JOB to be skeptical, so I can stick around a little longer. The instances of the medical community changing its mind - OOPS! - is far too high for my comfort. In addition, the most we can tell is that the vax is mostly safe for six months or so. NO INFORMATION is available for long-term safety, and that is a big part of what stops us.

      I've made it this far without the vaccine (and I am NOT an anti-vax person - I am up on all of mine, including influenza taken in October). I don't mask. I don't social distance, and I don't stay home. (Latest info out is that not a single case of COVID has been identified as a result of asymptomatic transmission. Not one.) I also have not become sick, though that could change at any moment. If it does, I have treatment options available and lined up.

      Fauci, Gates, and the rest have become the worst POSSIBLE ambassadors for the vaccine. Many of us would be far more likely to take it had they not stuck their noses into what - we find out - is very likely their own business. Had that remained hidden, again, we'd be more comfortable, but I am not sad that their involvement is known.

      So, many of us are happy for YOU to get your Covid vax, and YOU can be part of the herd immunity. I personally haven't been sick in so long I don't even remember the last time I was....certainly nothing serious since I had the influenza at 10-ish years old. I had my 71st birthday a couple months ago....maybe this will assist you in understanding our skepticism?
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      • Posted by term2 3 weeks, 3 days ago
        10 months and I am still uninfected. All I have done is stay away from unnecessary crowds, like in nightclubs, concerts, cruise ships, and crowded pools at casinos in the summer.

        common sense !! I also havent gotten the flu
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      • Posted by tdechaine 3 weeks, 3 days ago
        Skepticism requires some evidence that something is not true. E.g. that the vaccine is not safe as reported or worthwhile. But you did not note any reason to be skeptical here. Emotions unsupported by facts need to be corrected.

        Further, because you have not been sick says nothing about the probability of getting COVID which is highly contaminating. You have been lucky thus far. Let's get herd immunity by everyone being willing to get the vaccine.
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        • Posted by $ gharkness 3 weeks, 3 days ago
          Absolutely not. Skepticism only requires that one be able to think on one's own and ask questions about anything that doesn't make sense. When something seems odd or unusual, it'd be disingenuous NOT to be skeptical. It's perfectly reasonable to wonder whether - or not - unusual side effects could surface at a point in the future. Since no one - literally NO one - has gone that far into the future to find out, it makes perfect sense to be cautious (aka skeptical).

          When I am satisfied that the vaccine is acceptably safe (as defined by ME) then I will consider taking the vaccine.

          Until then, there's no "let's" in this equation at all.
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          • Posted by tdechaine 3 weeks, 3 days ago
            But what does not make sense here?
            When is it time to drop the skepticism?
            You make it too subjective. The evidence speaks for itself, and it is not rational to wait for no sound reason. That's like being agnostic wrt religion because there may be evidence in the future.
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            • Posted by $ gharkness 3 weeks, 3 days ago
              You are very simply wrong. There is NO evidence that the vaccine is safe, long-term. (This is the answer to your question 1) (If there is, it's well hidden; please show me the statistics.) That's not subjective, but in fact, if there WERE evidence that the vaccine was safe long term, I STILL get to make that choice, all by myself. An old tried-but-true saying: my body, my choice. You do not have the ability to decide what happens with my body.

              When is it time to drop the skepticism? When I am ready, not one second sooner, and I am the person who gets to decide when that is. You do not get to decide this for me.

              WRT your third sentence: This is very different from being agnostic WRT religion because with religion, I can change my mind at any second, if I so choose. Once the vaccine has been administered, there is NO option to change my mind or undo any damage that might happen.

              You are not going to win this "argument" with me, as long as I have the ability to make my own choices. You don't get to make them for me. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever. If you think that's "too subjective," you have the right to whatever you choose to think, but that makes literally no difference to what I think or more importantly, what I do.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 3 weeks, 3 days ago
    The Moderna vaccine was available for testing in January 2020. As far as I know, they wanted, because of the increasing pandemic, to do testing by vaccination and after antibodies developed to expose the volunteers to the virus to determine the efficacy of the vaccine. The FDA, of course, would not allow that because some volunteers might be harmed. They, thus, decided to let many more people die by giving test vaccinations and then seeing whether they were able to catch SARS CoV-2 virus from the general population. That takes many more months. I would guess that the Moderna vaccine could have been available for general use six months earlier. Remember that volunteers would have chosen, that is have made moral choices, to take the risk, not the general population.
    While the FDA is necessary to keep the charlatans from killing people too busy, ignorant, or just frightened by illness to use good judgement, it is a way to reduce some deaths and maybe a way to piss off some Libertarians and Conservatives. Only rationally applied reason will lower the death count.

    Just some statistics from Walworth county Wisconsin.
    About 7% are or have been infected.
    About 1.1% of deaths are Covid-19 associated with positive tests.
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