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Two Oregon Counties Vote to Consider Seceding, Joining Idaho

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"Residents of two rural Oregon counties voted in the Nov. 3 election to require their county officials to begin considering what would be involved in seceding from Oregon by moving neighboring Idaho’s border.

Oregon’s swing to the left in recent years has left many Oregonians uncomfortable as state officials such as Gov. Kate Brown, a Democrat, has enforced what they consider to be excessively strict policies aimed to combat the CCP virus that causes the disease COVID-19.

Many conservatives and other residents feel ignored and have become disenchanted with local officials including Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler, a far-left Democrat, who they say has failed to crack down on political violence by Antifa and Black Lives Matter.

Changing state borders is a complex task. The legislatures of both states and the U.S. Congress would have to consent.

But the victory of the grassroots group Move Oregon’s Border in Jefferson and Union Counties is just the beginning of what promises to be a long, involved process. The group also hopes to bring some counties in liberal California along with it to become part of Idaho, a state that has voted for the Republican candidate for president in every election since 1968. The group calls the proposed, expanded state Greater Idaho.

“The idea of joining Idaho is new to Oregon voters and they need more time to learn that Idaho taxes are lower, even with all taxes considered, and that Idaho law respects traditional values in many ways that Oregon law does not,” Mike McCarter, president of Move Oregon’s Border, said in a statement.

“The friction between conservatives and the Left in Oregon and California will continue to increase as their expectations diverge, so moving the border will eventually be seen as the necessary, peaceful solution to this problem. The reaction of Oregon government to the execution of Trump supporter ‘Jay’ Danielson in Portland shows that they will not protect people who are not on their leftist team. This is not a sustainable situation.”

McCarter was referring to Aaron “Jay” Danielson, a member of the conservative group Patriot Prayer who was shot dead Aug. 29 during a car and truck rally in Portland, in support of President Donald Trump. Danielson was allegedly killed by Michael Forest Reinoehl, an Antifa supporter, who was killed near Lacey, Washington, on Sept. 3 while fleeing a federal fugitive task force.

Reinoehl, a white man, had a neck tattoo of a black fist representing the Black Lives Matter movement, and referred to himself as “100% Antifa” in social media posts, the Seattle Times previously reported.

Brown reacted to the shooting of Danielson by ignoring the violence of Antifa and Black Lives Matter supporters, and instead, attacked Patriot Prayer and “armed white supremacists” for bringing “more bloodshed to our streets.”

“Change will not come overnight, and, as we have seen in these last months, it does not come easily either. But we are building a more just future. I will continue to work with local leaders, law enforcement, and community leaders to bring all voices to the table to help end the nightly confrontations—but that will only come if we commit ourselves to do the hard work to bring about real change and racial justice.”

As of press time, the voters of two Oregon counties approved the ballot question, while voters in two other counties rejected it.

According to the Oregon secretary of state’s website, ballot measures were approved in Jefferson County (Yes 50.9 percent; No 49.1 percent) and Union County (Yes 52.4 percent; No 47.6 percent). The propositions were defeated in Douglas County (Yes 43.27 percent; No 56.73 percent) and Wallowa County (Yes 49.54 percent; No 50.46 percent).

McCarter said he’s optimistic that the two wins will encourage Idaho officials “to quantify the pros and cons of moving the border so that we can improve the quality of the debate on this issue.”

Idaho would benefit from the admission of rural Oregon counties that “have a higher income per person than Idaho does, so our counties would be a benefit to Idaho’s state budget.”

“Rural Oregon votes almost exactly the same as Idaho does, so there should be no concerns in Idaho,” he said, adding that state lawmakers from both states have agreed to meet with Move Oregon’s Border.

The group is collecting signatures in hopes of putting secession-discussion questions on the ballot in local elections in 11 counties in May 2021."
SOURCE URL: https://www.theepochtimes.com/feeling-disenchanted-with-left-wing-politics-two-oregon-counties-vote-to-begin-process-of-joining-idaho_3586520.html


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  • Posted by $ BobCat 4 days, 20 hours ago
    Hats off to the citizens of those red counties !

    At least they are making their voices heard - that is if anybody is listening.

    Another option to consider is restructuring the State's election process to something similar to the Electoral College. In fact, why haven't other states adopted this approach ??
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 4 days, 16 hours ago
    I am a huge fan of breaking government into states of people with similar interests held together by a central government with limited enumerated powers and strict protections against interfering with those states.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 4 days, 3 hours ago
      If you look at the actual population numbers, its cities vs counties. 2.3 million of the entire state's 4.3 million are in Portland and the surrounding areas. From a political standpoint, that means that Portland by itself can control the entire State in a democratically-elected process. This isn't unique to Portland and reflects a new type of political demography that pits the rural counties (which produce all the food) against the metropolitan areas (which produce many of the services).
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      • Posted by 4 days, 1 hour ago
        So Portland should be a city-state like DC with no senators and the rest of the state of Oregon should be a state. Ditto for LA, BayArea, NYC, Boston, Chicago, Seattle, Atlanta, Lost Wages, etc.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 4 days ago
          Hehe. That would be interesting.

          Keep in mind, however, that DC was created along with the Constitution to be a completely different kind of political entity - a nation's capital with direct oversight from Congress. It really doesn't parallel well with other cities across the nation from a political standpoint.
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          • Posted by 4 days ago
            I would be terrible to disenfranchise all those city dwellers, but it would be exactly what the Left has been trying to do to people in "fly-over" areas.
            I am in favor of a separation of the country based on political philosophy and have been for a very long time. Unfortunately, neither major party really wants the people to have liberty and any changes to or creation of a new constitution would be perverted by Hamiltonian centrists.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 4 days ago
              I'd rather just have a news media which did its job and was ideologically focused on defending the Constitution of the United States rather than socialism. Do that and I'll bet you could change the minds of 1/4 to 1/3 of current Democrat party voters.

              As for the rest, I'd encourage them to move to a socialist state if they like that political ideology so much. I'm amazed at how a little time in the real world of socialism goes a long way to cure the rational person. Let those Hollywood bigwigs spend a year down in Venezuela without their entourages or their money to provide a safe haven from the starving, oppressed masses.
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              • Posted by 4 days ago
                Under socialism they'd have nothing. They can't think rationally. I'm not sure a life of poverty in Venezuela would help them think, but at least they'd be out of the US and unable to make socialist propaganda films - like 99% of what has come out of Hollywood for 40 years..
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                • Posted by $ blarman 3 days, 23 hours ago
                  "Under socialism they'd have nothing."

                  And that's the whole point. Like the songs say "you never know what you have until it's gone."
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                  • Posted by 3 days, 23 hours ago
                    I agree. If they were all gone then rationality might have a chance to grow again. But as long as they can be crushed by their socialist "friends" if they disagree, there will be very few with courage enough to disagree.
                    The same situation exists among ordinary Americans. Unless a large number revolt against the theft by taxation, few will have the courage to fight for the right to keep their own production.
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  • Posted by 25n56il4 4 days, 20 hours ago
    Interesting idea but probably not workable. In my county in Texas I don't recall any Democrats even trying to get elected. This is sad because in earlier years some of our best office holders were Democrats who quit running for re-election for some reason.
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    • Posted by 4 days, 20 hours ago
      Better to include a gerrymandered pathway to a port on the Pacific for Idaho.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 4 days, 3 hours ago
        The Snake River flows right into the Columbia. The problem is that despite the Snake being one of the largest in the State of Idaho (if not the largest) it isn't really navigable for practical purposes like shipping. Hells Canyon kind of separates the lower Snake (and the agricultural plains of southern Idaho) from the Columbia. From there you'd still have to go through the locks at The Dalles and out to Portland where the big container ships load/unload. Lewis and Clark knew about the Columbia and were hoping to find a quick way to link the Missouri and the Columbia for shipping, ie the Northwest Passage. They just ran into one minor detail called the Rocky Mountains. ;)

        I'm not really worried about it. When the Cascadia Fault goes, Portland and everything within 10 miles of the Columbia is going to be destroyed - along with much of the Western US seaboard from Northern California to Alaska. Portland is also looked down on by Mount Hood - which is way overdue (according to the geologists) for a major eruption. Portland probably tops many cities in California for geological danger factors.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 3 days, 1 hour ago
    I love eastern, southern and coastal Oregon. Such a beautiful place! I don't feel comfortable driving through Portland on Interstate 5. Total sh*thole...Was once a great town - especially for craft beer lovers. Wrecked now.
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  • Posted by term2 3 days, 20 hours ago
    I want to live in a galt's gulch. I doubt that any self respecting statist would ever allow that in the United States, though. They should actually so they can prove that capitalism wont work- ha !
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