Open letter to those saying Biden won and ‘now is the time to come together
Quote from the article ... “ Now to make things even worse from our perspective we have a sitting Congresswoman and others who is supporting what is being called the ‘Trump Accountability Project.“
The purpose of said project is to target supporters of the President and hold them accountable for that support. This is the kind of thing that happens in banana republics, not typically in the USA.”
The links in the article are worth reading.
I say “Be very afraid, America”
The purpose of said project is to target supporters of the President and hold them accountable for that support. This is the kind of thing that happens in banana republics, not typically in the USA.”
The links in the article are worth reading.
I say “Be very afraid, America”
SOURCE URL: https://www.distributednews.com/473015.html
In addition to abolishing the Electoral College & the filibuster and packing SCOTUS, one of the things they will probably do is order a complete reprint of all outstanding currency, replacing "In God We Trust" with "Resistance Is Futile".
I think it's too late for the special "They Live" sunglasses that let people see the truth.
My thought is only a fraction of his supporters were deplorables. The rest abided him because of specific issues like gun rights, tax cuts, and partisan judges. Mitt Romney said in 2012 it was hard to sell tax cuts when nearly half the country pays no income tax. President Trump found a way: tax cuts + a racist clown show for the deplorables.
You're literally saying there's no problem with racism. It's just mindboggling.
If you voted for a thief who trades his political influence for money, you are one of those responsible for the degradation of this nation. Don't worry, there are plenty of others out there. But I'd really ask you to move to another socialist nation - which has already been destroyed by socialist policies - than to ruin this last nation of hope and prosperity.
I really do. You mention the rallies. They're the example. I'm sad to say I think gets the deplorable element of society engaged and voting.
"sold-out events"
I never understood why Trump supporters talk about his large events. I would be open-minded if you pointed me to explanation. Here's why it's confusing. Trump and Biden got roughly the same amt of votes, within 3%. They both have many donors. Neither one is a third party candidate like Gary Johnson. Is the idea that Trump got roughly the same amount of support, but his support is more ardent?
[Deplorables in the Democratic Party seek to rescind basic rights.]
Yes. If they ever get together with Trump-like deplorables, we'll have a real problem. I see this scenario as unlikely but very bad if it happens.
[Trump defends those rights.]
I respectfully disagree, but whether Trump has been good for liberty is too big a topic for here.
[ I'd really ask you to move to another socialist nation]
I completely reject the premise that any mainstream politicians are socialist except for ones in the mold of Bernie Sanders. I think President Trump is worse far worse than most in the socialism department, if you define socialism very loosely as the gov't borrowing money and claiming state power can solve people's problems by interfering with business.
I think this point about candidates' records on liberty and socialism is moot b/c we have no mainstream candidates putting forward reforms to reduce spending and intrusiveness.
BTW, thanks for the easy-to-follow points.
"I never understood why Trump supporters talk about his large events."
Again, this goes back to elitism. Trump appeals to a broad base of common people. Biden appeals only to the self-styled elites. You don't understand it because you see yourself as one of the elites.
"I respectfully disagree, but whether Trump has been good for liberty is too big a topic for here."
Then start up a new thread, because I'd love to hear how socialism protects individual rights.
I'm almost finished with a fascinating book. It's called The Gulag Archipelago and is written by a person who experienced the internment camps of Russia first hand and gathered hundreds of personal stories from other prisoners. He details the history of the neurosis which accompanied both Lenin and Stalin from 1917 through 1953 (when Stalin finally died) and the tens of millions of Russians who were needlessly and unjustly tortured, imprisoned, and executed simply because of Stalin's paranoia. You know what just makes me shake my head? The first people who were arrested were the self-important elites and intelligentsia - the same people who believed themselves part of the movement!
"I completely reject the premise that any mainstream politicians are socialist except for ones in the mold of Bernie Sanders."
Uh, that's the entire Democratic Party. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have endorsed the New Green Deal. You're blinded by your own ignorance if you refuse to admit this simple reality. There are no Blue Dog Democrats any longer (with the possible exclusion of Joe Manchin of West Virginia).
"...if you define socialism very loosely ..."
I don't. And you should know on this forum neither does anyone else. We take definitions very seriously and when we say socialism we don't mean simply social welfare programs, we mean the government ownership or control of the means of production. And that is precisely what Democrats propose. And make no mistake: it is blatant socialism. To say that everyone must drive electric cars? That is socialism. To say that no one can use air travel any longer? That is socialism. To say that everyone must wear a mask? That is socialism. To say that everyone must have health insurance? That is socialism. To say that government needs to be in control of everything is the very heart of socialism.
I concur you are speaking for me.
Here is an article published today (Nov 19, 2020) about this happening right now.
After having crushed the political parties opposed to his version of socialism, Mr. Maduro’s critics say he has trained the state’s security apparatus on disillusioned ideological allies, repeating the path taken by leftist autocrats from the Soviet Union to Cuba.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/wo...
The local politicians in my area actively support socialistic policies, including the Green New Deal. It's true even outside my area. As I said, * There is a bipartisan consensus for a large, intrusive, and debt-funded federal government.*.
[sarcasm]It’s hard to say. Maybe President Trump is more respectful of all people. Or maybe he keeps disrespectful thoughts to himself because of his role as president.
“You don't understand it because you see yourself as one of the elites.”
No
“I'd love to hear how socialism protects individual rights.”
It doesn’t. Socialism is the opposite of individual rights.
“Joe Biden and Kamala Harris have endorsed the New Green Deal.”
Harris does. Biden does not. They can and probably will change their minds, hopefully away from conflating socialism with addressing one of the biggest problems of our time. I could easily see it creating big new problems and not reducing global warming. OTOH, I don’t think it will happen, except in token form. I can’t predict the future. It’s a real concern, primarily because it will delay action on climate change by conflating it with something most people oppose for good reason.
"I don't [define socialism loosely]... on this forum neither does anyone else. "
Then I retract the musing about loosely-defined socialism and reaffirm my claim that there is no immediate danger of socialism from mainstream politicians.
I'll give you the why. It's because those who seek for power want to hide that fact, so they try to distract from the fact that their ideas are garbage by resorting to name-calling. It's the only thing they can do because the moral arguments for their policies are defunct.
"Socialism is the opposite of individual rights."
Then why did you vote for it? If you KNOW that it is the opposite of individual rights and solid morality, why on earth did you vote for it? I'm asking because I know other people that do the same and I really want to understand how a person can knowingly ignore all of the evil present in the Democratic Party and still vote for them!
"Harris does. Biden does not. They can and probably will change their minds..."
And there you are not only incorrect, but hopelessly naive. First of all, Biden has announced his support for the New Green Deal - despite its absurdity. He has even proposed the Bernie Sanders have a place in his Cabinet. I strongly recommend you look at the pledge he has made of things he wants to do on his first day - many of which are not only unConstitutional but blatantly socialist.
Second, the entire Democratic Party is being driven by the socialists. Why did it take Biden three months to select a VP candidate in the first place? Because it wasn't Biden doing the selecting! Harris was one of the first to get knocked out in the Presidential race because she was so unpopular, yet she ended up as the VP pick. Why?
Third, you ignore the real reason why Nancy Pelosi started going on and on about the 25th Amendment. It wasn't targeted at Trump but at Biden. If he really does become President, he won't last two months before they get rid of him. And then Kamala takes over.
"reaffirm my claim that there is no immediate danger of socialism from mainstream politicians."
We have already seen pushes for socialism from the Democratic Party under Barack Obama and the number of socialists has only GROWN since then. Look at the popularity of mouthpieces such as AOC and others who are admittedly not politicians but fronts for radical socialist groups like the Young Turks? The only thing holding them back is their failure to control the White House AND a majority in both House and Senate.
Because this nation will drop into civil war and utter chaos if the socialists take control and try to implement their insanity. And we'll have people like you to thank for it.
I agree, but [sarcasm]you can't hold everyone to President Trump's high standards of respectfulness and rejection of name-calling.[/sarcasm]
Then why did you vote for [socialism]?
I categorically reject the premise.
"Biden has announced his support for the New Green Deal"
Do you have a link to statement? I won't be surprised if he put out a signal to get support of those voters. But is there actually a quote in context of him doing this?
"the entire Democratic Party is being driven by the socialists"
This and everything in that paragraph is ridiculous to me.
"Nancy Pelosi started going on and on about the 25th Amendment [to get rid of Biden within two months]."
Let's just wait two months (Mar 20) to see if an egg balances any differently. :)
"the number of socialists has only GROWN"
This is unfortunately true. I wish it were only the word, but it's also the ideas. Moreover, I hear people using capitalism as a vague negative word. This is a bad development. I hope the pendulum swings back.
"And we'll have people like you to thank for [civil war and chaos]."
I really hope not. I mean that sincerely. I think many people are far too complacent in thinking that because the US was the first major experiment in a democratic republic based on Enlightenment philosophy that there is no way it could fail. It could fail, and I would always wonder if I could have done something different to stop it.
Compare the types of names being called. Has President Trump called Clarence Thomas an "Uncle Tom" or Sarah Palin a "@#$%"? No. Does President Trump stoop to the levels of Democrats on occasion? Yes. But who LIVES at that level?
"I categorically reject the premise."
Then you deny reality. Look at the people he has proposed for his staff and Cabinet. Bernie Sanders. Elizabeth Warren. Socialists. Good grief. Socialism in the Democratic Party goes back a century to Woodrow Wilson. Joe McCarthy exposed socialists in government by the droves in the 50's. The scurried back into their holes for a few years but now they're back in force. Did you know that more than half of the Democratic Connecticut legislature got primaried and replaced by avowed socialists? And they're not the only ones.
"Do you have a link to statement?"
It's right on Biden's own website. The Federalist highlights it here: https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/30/...
Even back in 2019 he released a plan which was nearly indistinguishable: https://www.washingtonpost.com/climat...
"and I would always wonder if I could have done something different to stop it."
You don't have to wonder. We're telling you right here: if you vote for a Democrat, you are voting for socialism. It really is that simple.
Those are not people who set my standards of respectfulness. If they are for you, you have a valid point.
"[Support for the Green New Deal] is right on Biden's own website."
The articles say he's embracing the framework of the Green New Deal, and one of them says his plan would cost $1.7T over 10 years. I'm very against that. It also talks about a massive gov't research effort. That may be well-intentioned, but if there were a mechanism to charge people for the environmental costs of their emissions, enterprising people would find a solution without central management.
"You don't have to wonder [if you could do more keep the US from failing as a liberal democratic republic]. We're telling you right here: if you vote for a Democrat you are voting for socialism"
This is just the opposite of our view. It's not that we think voting for Republicans will lead to socialism or modes of failure. It's that the problem is not caused by a bad group of people. What's more I don't even see the parties as different on issues related to maintaining a constitutionally-limited republic. The problem is that in a free society people can find ways to vote themselves money from the treasury. A dollar of my goes to tens of thousands of programs. It's not worthwhile for me to lobby to get my dollar back from one of those programs, but it is worthwhile to apply for money from one of them. A rational taxpayer may even lobby his congressman to keep the program going because he sends so much in and this is the only way to get some back. The problem is unrelated to political parties.
The only sin is a refusal to think.