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Woodstock Occurred in the Middle of a Pandemic that killed 100,000 Americans - There Were No Shutdowns, No Government Legislation, No Bailouts

Posted by freedomforall 3 years, 6 months ago to Politics
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"Lifespan in the US in those days was 70 whereas it is 78 today. Population was 200 million as compared with 328 million today. It was also a healthier population with low obesity. If it would be possible to extrapolate the death data based on population and demographics, we might be looking at a quarter million deaths today from this virus. So in terms of lethality, it was as deadly and scary as COVID-19 if not more so, though we shall have to wait to see.

“In 1968/69,” says Nathaniel L. Moir in National Interest, “the H3N2 pandemic killed more individuals in the U.S. than the combined total number of American fatalities during both the Vietnam and Korean Wars.”

And this happened in the lifetimes of every American over 52 years of age.

I was 5 years old and have no memory of this at all. My mother vaguely remembers being careful and washing surfaces, and encouraging her mom and dad to be careful. Otherwise, it’s mostly forgotten today. Why is that?

Nothing was closed by force. Schools mostly stayed open. Businesses did too. You could go to the movies. You could go to bars and restaurants. John Fund has a friend who reports having attended a Grateful Dead concert. In fact, people have no memory or awareness that the famous Woodstock concert of August 1969 – planned in January during the worse period of death – actually occurred during a deadly American flu pandemic that only peaked globally six months later. There was no thought given to the virus which, like ours today, was dangerous mainly for a non-concert-going demographic."
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  • Posted by Ben_C 3 years, 6 months ago
    I had the Hong Kong Flu (H3N2) during the last weeks of my professional training in December of 1968. I took my state board exams to become licensed in Michigan with the flu. It was a two day exam multiple choice test with an oral component as well. I would answer a few questions, blow my nose, cough up some mucous, then answer a few more questions - then repeat. The oral part was brief - the examiner declared "you look like you don't feel well." I squeaked out "yes, I feel like crap." He gave me an easy question and I left to resume the multiple choice part. Bottom line: no shut downs, no panic in the streets, no political BS. Life continued on and it was ok. I passed the exam and entered the real world Jan 2nd, 1969 having recovered from the flu and never looked looked back.
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    • Posted by term2 3 years, 6 months ago
      Lots of people have contracted coronavirus and have quietly recovered.
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      • Posted by 3 years, 6 months ago
        That must be true. Most states are not making an effort to account for recoveries accurately. Not to say that they are accurately counting ANYTHING.
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        • Posted by term2 3 years, 6 months ago
          we are getting incomplete information designed to prolong the shutdown. I really wonder if after Nov4, things with coronavirus magically inprove a lot
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          • Posted by 3 years, 6 months ago
            Depends on who wins the presidency, imo.
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            • Posted by term2 3 years, 6 months ago
              This election is driving me nuts. I will be happy when its OVER. If trump wins, and repubs get both houses of congress, we get 4 years of repreive from our government. If trump wins and dems get both houses, we get s couple of months until he gets impeached and we get the 4 years of pence (not too bad). If Trump wins and repubs keep senate but lose house, we have another impeachment that wont go anywhere. If repubs keep house but lose senate, I think that eliminates the impeachment thing, but would eliminate confirming Barrett to SCOTUS if she doesnt make it before January..
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 3 years, 6 months ago
    Me dino was 22 during 1969. Don't remember a thing about any pandemic. Had Vietnam, the draft, astronauts landing on the moon and getting kicked out of college on my mind. The draft got me that year too. Marines needed my supply clerk aptitude. While crammed with recruits in a Parris Island squad bay, the mess hall and kinds of other buildings with screaming, slapping and punching drill instructors, getting sick was the last thing on my mind. Me dino did learn I'm allergic to penicillin and spending Christmas in the infirmary was a nice break. Turned out I never went to Vietnam and being honorably discharged from the Marines always looked nice on future resumes. Oh, yeah, me dino discharged two months early on what was called a "school cut" and graduated full of BS with the GI Bill paying for all of it.
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    • Posted by term2 3 years, 6 months ago
      I am happy I didnt have to go through the draft nonsense. The draft is unconstitutionally mandates slavery, pure and simple.
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      • Posted by 3 years, 6 months ago
        I got through it on luck; I drew a high number in the draft lottery. My business partner was in AF in Viet Nam servicing jet fighters. His hearing is only good to about 5kHz as a result. Most people can hear 13kHz to 20kHz on the high frequency side, so he has lost about 2 octaves of high frequencies. At that he was lucky that was his only injury.
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        • Posted by term2 3 years, 6 months ago
          I was going to depart to Canada if they called for me. I wasnt going to some god forsaken rice paddy to satisfy our government's crazy war. As it was, they stopped the draft just before my number came up to report for "duty".
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 3 years, 6 months ago
        Inspired by a movie title six times worse shortly after the flick came out, I once wrote on this board that I was "Two Years A Slave." Recall lots of Marine enlistees doing 4 years having bad attitudes back then--especially those back from Nam. That "Thank you for your service" nicety came along way after that nasty undeclared war. The only time I had no choice to wear a uniform home when on leave (everyone's civilian stuff got shipped home from Parris Island), I got sneered at in the Atlanta airport. At least no hippy girls were throwing doggie poo at me.
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    • Posted by mccannon01 3 years, 6 months ago
      My story is a bit odd, but here it is: In the summer of '69 I graduated from HS out of the 11th grade (never had a senior year) at the age of 17. I remember Woodstock well, but can't remember a thing about any pandemic.

      I went to my dad (RIP), who was an end of WWII marine, and asked for his blessing for me to join the Marine Corps as he had done. He surprised me by suddenly poking me painfully in the chest - as only he could do - and shouted, "BOY YOU'RE A GODDAMNED FOOL! YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT!". Then he stepped back, crossed his arms, stared me in the eyes and very calmly said, "Wait until you're 18, then decide and do as you wish." Well, I went to work and the following March I turned 18, signed up for the draft and waited to get called. Thoughts of joining the Corps were eclipsed by the ladies, motorcycles, beer, and rock 'n roll - didn't do drugs. I pulled a 341 in Nixon's lottery and fate never destined me for the military (side note: My older brother pulled a 365).
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  • Posted by edkbaker 3 years, 6 months ago
    I didn't know about the pandemic listed above; but I have read about others and at the beginning an MIT Biologist said this would go down in history as the biggest hoax in our history. I believed it when I read it because he was so logical and sensible. Nothing about what the government has done was logical. It was detrimental from the beginning and only getting worse.
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  • Posted by $ Commander 3 years, 6 months ago
    And then there's more.
    In February 1957, a new influenza A (H2N2) virus emerged in East Asia, triggering a pandemic (“Asian Flu”). This H2N2 virus was comprised of three different genes from an H2N2 virus that originated from an avian influenza A virus, including the H2 hemagglutinin and the N2 neuraminidase genes. It was first reported in Singapore in February 1957, Hong Kong in April 1957, and in coastal cities in the United States in summer 1957. The estimated number of deaths was 1.1 million worldwide and 116,000 in the United States. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-reso...

    The only ultimate solution is exposure and survival. Ultimately Cancer, in generality, is the same process. There is no such thing as a cure or saving lives. The US is near, or at top, for co-morbidity due to foods and lifestyle and associated dis-ease.
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    • Posted by 3 years, 6 months ago
      The number of deaths was not inflated to include thousands that died from other diseases and co-morbidities for political reasons in '57 or in '69.
      There has been no accounting of deaths caused by closing down the economy or deaths caused because people could not get the care ordinarily available. "Excess death" counting ignores these factors and also overstates the COVID death rates. There are financial incentives for hospitals to claim that deaths are from COVID and that also increases the death rates reported for COVID in 2020. It is probably a lower rate that either the '57 or '69 epidemics that did not cause any economic shutdowns.
      The Democrats, not Trump, are at fault for thousands of deaths.
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      • Posted by $ Commander 3 years, 6 months ago
        Have you noted a trend?
        1918 the first reported case (Spanish flu) was March, in Kansas, at Fort Riley, one year after the trans-atlantic exchange of troops began.
        " first reported in Singapore in February 1957"
        "The flu spread from Hong Kong to the United States, arriving December 1968"
        "(1957 "Asian flu" , 1968 "Hong Kong flu" and 1977 "Russian flu" ) were originated from China"
        "(H1N1) virus that appeared in 2009 and was first found in human beings in Mexico,"

        The research commonality is transmission from avian,swine or other food animal origin. What I don't find is mention of human / animal condition of mutual squalor as an incubus, but I did find this:
        "One prevalent pathway for the transmission of infectious agents between hosts involves ingestion of the flesh of one organism by another. In this article we document numerous examples of viral and prion diseases transmitted by "eating" animals." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32957...
        When food stock is fed the entrails of an "infected" species the probability of a virus or bacteria finding "host" in the respiratory path of the "consumer" is high. This is common practice outside this country.

        Every one of these viral infections came from outside the continent excepting 2009. All of them are associated with the unclean environments between human and stock animals.
        The latest, more evidently an escape from a laboratory, is the oddity, or is it really a "wet" market origin?

        That we are fed the tripe (pardon the pun) by supposed experts, that "They" have the knowledge and means to cure, eradicate, protect or any other ultimatum that supposes expert insight to insulate us from harm is idiocy. That, idiocy is politicized.....IS. The "experts" are the brokers of fear of death.
        And fortunately Donald Trump is one who is expressing: At what cost to the living? Up until I heard this I had to reflect upon a question. "Do you support Trump?" My answer was: "I don't support, I evaluate". Now, in response to the same question: Absolutely.
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        • Posted by 3 years, 6 months ago
          The question every concerned voter should ask:
          (a) Will a corrupt socialist more powerful state (Biden-Kamaliar) be more likely to cure COVID and not destroy the economy, when there has never been such a positive result on any problem taken on by a socialist state, or

          (b) will a corrupt less powerful state that is more free market entrepreneurial oriented (Trump) be more likely to cure COVID and not destroy the economy, when nearly every significant advancement in human history has happened under free market entrepreneurism?

          Trump is an unlikable jerk in many ways, but he loves America and he will not allow anyone to destroy the economy, and he will try to Constitutionally use the power of his office to reduce loss of life .

          Biden is a corrupt, stupid lifetime looting politician who has betrayed America and will destroy the economy and achieve nothing except that. He can only be trusted to maximize his own wealth at the expense of Americans' freedom.

          It's not as good a choice as I'd like, but I love America and the choice is very clear to me.
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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 3 years, 6 months ago
            Precisely!

            But unfortunately many people look at the decision as "Which one would I rather have over for dinner" and "Who is nice" ("nice" being a cursory facade).

            The choice is clear, but some months ago a drawn out argument ensued right here, with pin heads deriding Trump as if there were a real option who was "perfect". I'm still waiting for these ivory tower dingbats to re emerge, and admit how spiteful and wrong they were, but I doubt their strength of character.
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  • Posted by lrshultis 3 years, 6 months ago
    I was 17 when the Asian flu of 1957-1958 hit and kill about 116000 Americans. There was no panic because it was not politicized. The population was 180 million which would give about
    328/180*116000=211377 deaths with today's population.
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    • Posted by 3 years, 6 months ago
      As you said, it wasn't politicized and those 116k deaths were from the virus not from a dozen or more co-morbidities - counted as COVID to get more federal money. That flu could well have been more dangerous than COVID19 even though the number who died was arguably lower.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 3 years, 6 months ago
    I have an iron constitution, so my bout with the Hong Kong flu lasted less than 72 hours, and was no more obnoxious than a mild cold, but it was devastating to many others around me, taking them out of work for a couple of weeks. I suspect we will discover that there are many who've experienced the COVID virus with little effect, compared to the very few who've had life threatening experiences.
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  • Posted by GaryL 3 years, 6 months ago
    April of 1969 me and my brother and sister all had the flu. Mom was a nurse for the town doctor and brought it home to all of us. We did have two young kids in town die from it but to be honest they were rather sickly children to begin with. Brother and I got over it in just a few days and sister took a bit longer. Neither mom or dad got it and none of my adult aunts or uncles either, just the kids mostly. The Woodstock festival was just 15 minutes up the road from me and I don't recall any such pandemic ever even mentioned while I was there. Lots of sick kids but almost all from bad drugs, heavy partying or nasty weather and other crappy conditions. My school never closed except for feet of snow and I would venture a guess if there was another woodstock today even close to the size of the 1969 festival there would be bodies stacked like cord wood from opioid overdoses and fentynal.
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    • Posted by 3 years, 6 months ago
      During Woodstock, I was busy working at a summer job before my HS senior year. The warehouse guys only talked about getting girls, getting high, or getting drafted. The latter was the worry then, not any virus. I don't recall anyone that I knew being sick with it, but it was 51 years ago and the virus wasn't of any importance to us then. I was more concerned with getting A's so I could get into a good college. I was a pretty naive guy. ;^)
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      • Posted by GaryL 3 years, 6 months ago
        Growing up in a small village outside of Monticello, NY the drugs had not yet arrived here in 1968-69. Being 17 and dorky getting girls was just a dream. I was already signed up for the USN as soon as I graduated so that summer was my breakout. You didn't miss anything at the festival IMHO because it really was quite the disaster overall. Rain, wet, mud, no food or water, massive crowds of the strangest people I had ever encountered and basically pretty miserable. We walked back home after the second day and it took the county better than 3 weeks to get all the abandoned cars off the roads. My dad missed 4 days of work because every road was a parking lot and they just left their cars and walked the last 15 or so miles. Virus, what Virus???
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