CA Democrat Judge rejects tests (SAT, ACT) that measure intelligence and ability for college admissions

Posted by freedomforall 4 months, 3 weeks ago to Education
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The University of California school system must stop using SAT or ACT scores while making admissions and scholarships decisions, a judge ruled Tuesday.

The decision comes in response to a lawsuit filed earlier this year alleging the admittance of such scores during the coronavirus pandemic harmed disabled students who lacked the same test-taking opportunities as non-disabled individuals. Alameda Superior Court Judge Brad Seligman issued a preliminary inunction blocking UC universities from accepting standard test scores in their admissions processes as the complaint is argued in court.

Makes me wonder if the judge's SAT scores were lower than average.

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    Posted by Lucky 4 months, 3 weeks ago
    What the judge meant was that intelligence and ability tests discriminate against applicants lacking intelligence and ability.

    I eagerly await a court ruling that bulk is not to be used in selecting footballers, and for basketball height measurements are discriminatory against the vertically challenged community who are obviously under-represented in those sports.
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  • Posted by term2 4 months, 2 weeks ago
    They are setting the stage for "college for all" which means eventually dropping all admission standards and also graduation standards.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 4 months, 2 weeks ago
    Me dino supposes lefty college admissions wants to start measuring ethnicity now.
    To heck with independent smarts. Pliable minds are now in higher demand. Power to the sheeple!
    Hey, dino, you're a racist. Shut up, upstart, and sit down.
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    • Posted by 4 months, 2 weeks ago
      Then degrees from those institutions will be worthless except to socialists - who won't be able to compete in business except via government handouts.
      Entrepreneur Strike.
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      • Posted by $ allosaur 4 months, 2 weeks ago
        Coming in the (Bizarrro World or the really real) future, a Kamala Harris Institute Of Redistributed Ethnic Higher Woke Learning where class subjects are chosen from a "Level Playing Field Curriculum."
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  • Posted by term2 4 months, 2 weeks ago
    Whats the purpose of testing except to provide some sort of certification for employers and to make the school pick the smartest so as to enhance the value of their diploma.

    Employers could test people to determine how smart and educated potential employees are before they get hired. Put the onus on the students to learn what they will need to actually get a job they might want..

    Get rid of "teachers" and emphasize the environment that will encourage students to learn . The students themselves will make the reputation of the school once they graduate.

    This is not a complete solution, but I just have a feeling at this point that the way we have structured education is really inefficient.

    I learn more from YouTube than anything at this point.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 4 months, 2 weeks ago
    ...and next:

    "CA Judge blocks technical qualifications for a job as a basis for hiring. Rules that companies must hire whoever applies."

    Third paragraph:
    "Ruling specifically excludes the entertainment industry, as clearly providing necessary service while only discriminating against ugly people, who are not a protected class."
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  • Posted by BCRinFremont 4 months, 2 weeks ago
    First, control the public grade schools and high schools. Dumb them down with propaganda and revisionist history. Then fill the colleges with only socialist professors and remedial coursework to be followed by more propaganda and revisionist history. Finally, get rid of the straggling bits of real education that have escaped the government fiat and rabid gaggles of unionized re-educators.

    If there are any people left, they are shrugging or are already in Galt’s Gulch.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 4 months, 2 weeks ago
    The Tyranny of Testing by Banesh Hoffmann, ‎Crowell-Collier Press, 1962, was recommended in The Objectivist Newsletter shortly after it was published. While objective tests are an important tool in predicting success in college, they are not the only tool. More to the point, the standardized tests have long been criticized for their inadequacies. No alternatives have evolved.

    Whatever else they do measure, the ACT and SAT do not measure intellgence, nor were they designed to or intended do. They measure how well you paid attention in high school.
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    • Posted by Lucky 4 months, 2 weeks ago
      MM is right. This how well you paid attention in high school can be some kind of indicator.
      As to the worth of tests and data in general, I am a fan of JJ Cowperthwaite in this, could be a subject for a thread. The problem remains, how do you select? Current wokism says- on measures of disadvantage, or need, or on how you like the applicant in an interview. Old China selected on the ability to write verse, fair?
      I would still give the weight of decision to SAT / ACT or such tests.
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  • Posted by $ Ben_C 4 months, 2 weeks ago
    I can speak only for the medical field as I am in a related discipline. I tell students that every day is similar to taking the state board exams to get a license. Every patient is a test question that comes into my office. At first it is scramble mode to get the right answer. After seeing the same question over the years the answers come quickly. Then, of course, something changes and the old answers are incorrect. But that is what brings you back into the office every day. Its the curve balls that keeps things interesting. If you can't take tests then don't go into a field that requires anything cerebral.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 4 months, 2 weeks ago
    There is a contention that such tests only identify talented test takers, who may lack the self discipline to succeed in a center of higher learning. My late wife was more intelligent than I am (my opinion), but was dyslexic, which makes taking any written test in an allotted time difficult. When she was a child, back before the condition was understood, she was considered "dumb," and set back a grade.

    My wife was an extremely talented artist in multiple media, managed corporate accounting systems (she had no degree), acted as a general contractor in remodeling four different homes, and designed houses herself, but she most likely would have gotten atrocious SAT scores. She wanted to be a geologist, but realized she couldn't cope with tests that would be given in college. Her brother is a PhD and retired member of the JPL staff, but I still believe she was the smarter of the two.
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  • Posted by RevJay4 4 months, 2 weeks ago
    "Idiotacracy" continues its march and attack on our American culture. All part of the plan to destroy any value or principals which our great country is built upon.
    This judge is obviously ignorant as to what happens when the left gets what it wants.
    They eliminate those who made it possible for the takeover of a country.
    History, folks, is being made and repeated with the help of stupid people like this judge.
    Just sayin'.
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  • Posted by jluvalle 4 months, 2 weeks ago
    Reasonable IF the colleges are going to go the extra thousand mies and bring these underachievers up to a level of competence. Otherwise it looks like it'll make the admissions job that much harder, there aren't a bunch of extra student positions waiting to be filled. Whatever happened to holding people back in grade school, jr high, and high school until the student met a minimum level of competence?
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    • Posted by 4 months, 2 weeks ago
      "Whatever happened to holding people back"
      That ended when schools were integrated completely, imo. They didn't have room to hold people back with 20% unable to advance to the next grade. So they graduated millions that are less likely to succeed than before. Teachers only had so much time and schools only had so much money. Eventually the standard of teachers also dropped and the "teaching" went from improving minds to brainwashing opinions. Teachers unions made sure that teachers weren't tested and they weren't advanced on merit.
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