COVID-19 Vaccine Could Mean Regular Injections, No Immunity. Why Take the Risk of Vaccine Side Effects?

Posted by freedomforall 1 month, 1 week ago to News
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For starters, a COVID-19 vaccine can be released if it's 'safe and proves effective' on as few as 50% of those who receive it, according to recently released federal guidelines. What's more, the definition of "effective" means that it simply has to 'minimize the most serious symptoms,' according to the report.

"We should anticipate the SARS-CoV-2 vaccine to be similar to the influenza vaccine," said Dr. Kathleen Neuzil, director of the Center for Vaccine Development at the University of Maryland. "That vaccine may or may not keep people from being infected with the virus, but it does keep people out of the hospital and the ICU."

Because of this, experts say that the first round of COVID-19 vaccines probably won't eliminate the need for masks, social distancing and other measures. So - after all the promises made by government officials, a vaccine may only reduce symptoms, and may turn into a recurring shot that only works on half the population.

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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 1 month ago
    Do not risk the vaccine...Dr. Mercola reported that all of the volunteers had bad reactions to the vaccine.
    Is this just a: "Money for nothing and chicks for free" scam, a ruse for a different purpose or are they the dumbest creatures on the planet.

    NO ONE SHOULD HAVE A BAD REACTION, as far as I am concerned...they cannot consider All the variables...and the Docs giving the vaccine haven't a clue because they have not been taught to get a clue.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 month ago
    My friend is a HUGE fan of vaccines (LMAO)...
    And he defends the "missed" vaccines (that do not target that years flu) as "well, they build up in you over time, and give you future protection). That's MARKETING... Not science!

    Anyways, he comes to me because of my background and says "But you are good at math, if you have a 1% risk of dying from covid-19, AND that risk is an every year thing... You can do the math, and realize it is going to eventually kill you if you don't take the vaccine!"

    I LAUGHED and replied: "I will NEVER take that vaccine. Your theory is flawed. There are people who are at risk of serious development. But assuming you are right, and assuming it is true that 50% of the time, the vaccine conveys no real protection. But it conveys some real risks, as ALL vaccines do. Also, the risk of dying is dropping as we learn to treat this thing. And they are talking MULTIPLE shots per year. No Thanks. You do realize that Almost ALL Polio outbreaks over the last 15 years have been from the various vaccines! Oops!"

    I went on about how those affected worse have certain situations (inflammation, low vitamin D, etc. etc. etc.) I would CERTAINLY address those, and then that 1% drops far more than by half... With ZERO dangerous risks, IMO. In fact, improving those things just seems to be making you healthier...

    Cognitive Bias. We all suffer from it!
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    • Posted by lrshultis 1 month ago
      Suppose an US citizen had a 1% chance of dying of a disease. That being an absolute risk would mean that 3.2 million would die. Cut that in half and sure that would be a lot left only killing 1.6 million Americans. But the relative risk is reduced by 50%. Still does not seem like a desirable outcome.
      Of course not all people will have a 1% chance of getting the disease because of some humans being rational and will act in ways not to get exposed to the disease organism as they did in the past when no vaccines existed.
      Vaccines prevent 2 to 3 million deaths per year but about 1.5 million die due to lack of vaccine or the vaccines not being 100% protective. In the US where vaccinations, whether voluntary or mandatory, the death rate is very small. Where vaccines cannot be developed for diseases with a hundred or more different causes, the death rates are small. SARS CoV-2 seems to be quite a killer and the hysteria by the governments have researchers looking desperately for a vaccine.
      I realize that a half million deaths due to SARS is a drop in a bucket for the world compared to the several million deaths due to other diseases, but those individuals did do a little suffering though not enough for those incapable of any empathy (sorry that is an emotion which many in the Gulch try to avoid). Just a simple example of no vaccine is my mother before polio vaccine. She got polio in high school and had a minor disease which atrophied one of her leg's muscle giving her a pleasurable limp the rest of her short 33 year life.
      You are perfectly free to fight against vaccination but please take into account the fact that the side effects in some does not come close to the misery and deaths cause be disease in the world, developed world relatively little compared to the developing world.
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      • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 month ago
        My daughter was injured by 1 year vaccines.
        The part people don't pay attention to is the ABSOLUTE risks involved. Most Vaccines are NOT run through RCTs!

        And the payout in the vaccine court in the USA is above 5 BILLION dollars. Unfortunately, if the vaccine damages were covered HONESTLY (or worse, like HCQ Supposed Risks), very few would follow the schedule! When you LEARN how damaging the vaccines could be (Mikavitz, again, proposes that RT Viruses from mice might be behind the surge in Cancers! There is real risk here. Completely hidden).

        Watch Vaxxed... Find out what the Whistle Blower was getting across. But always make your decisions based on your risk.

        You should have NO REQUIREMENT to take a vaccine to protect the Herd with RISK only you absorb...
        (The argument that not being vaccinated can affect vaccinated people negatively should be ABSURD on it's face, if vaccines worked as promised)
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  • Posted by term2 1 month ago
    they are rushing to develop one a bit too fast. Flu vaccine isnt that great. Government shouldnt require masks, social distancing, stopping the economy, etc. They shouldnt have those powers at all- they are unconstitutional and violate human rights. If the vaccine is at least partially effective, aand is safe, I would probably take it
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    • Posted by $ gharkness 1 month ago
      Curious how you will judge that? How long does the vaccine have to be on the market before you decide it's been tested enough, given that you said (and I agree) that they are rushing to develop too fast? For myself, I can't decide, but it will likely be decided AFTER some long term results come in.

      Of course it's early, but I am not seeing this vaccine as a positive, especially if it's required. I am having a huge problem with that.

      But I know they won't make it just "required." It will be necessary to have to be able to live one's life. Like, to buy groceries, to fly ....etc. Heck, this is getting to be more depressing than I thought it would.
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      • Posted by term2 1 month ago
        Government should not be allowed to control our actions in a pandemic. They can advise, but its each person's responsibility to protect him.her self .
        As to how would one know if the vaccine is good, I say give me the data and I will tell you how much I will trust it. phase 1-3 of the current plan seems reasonable to me, in that it allows for different age groups and hopefully different immune system levels (not sure how they would know this). I dont mind that the russians are releasing it- let them be the guinea pigs (providing that the negative results are released also).

        No one should be required to take the vaccine. Reminds me of X-men where they were requiring every one to take the "cure" for mutancy. Not constitutional.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 month ago
    "Come to me all ye little lemmings. Come to me the source of all power. I will nuzzle you sparingly at my teat as long as you submit.

    Vaccine, health care, jobs, police, justice, food, education...

    Come to me, I have all the power."

    Our government in four months, if something doesn't precipitate soon.
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  • Posted by Lucky 1 month, 1 week ago
    Sweet it is to hear one's own convictions from another's lips. Goethe

    Look at
    today Aug 8.

    There are a few alternatives to HCQ.
    Quercetin for one, available in heath food stores with many claims as a supplement. It may not work on those claims, no one tests, but it has negligible side effects / downside. It costs about 50c per tablet, take 3 per day. Like HCQ it is a zinc ionophore, and has antiviral properties. If you find out what is a sensible dose, post up here.
    Ivomectin, another interesting possibility.
    and others.

    Not mentioned in that ref is that you may be able to get HCQ on-line.
    I learn that despite HCQ not being available -in the US, etc- the problem is not one of supply, it is made in a number of countries, in March Teva of Israel sent 10 million doses to the US at no charge, the biggest manufacturer is India which has ample supplies. Any long term sufferer of arthritis and lupus who now cannot get HCQ should blame their regulatory agencies, not c19 sufferers who cannot get it either.
    In the Australian State of Victoria, HCQ is banned under the Poisons Act! The State Premier is a 'case'.

    By the way, this Remdesivir does work, but barely better than chance.

    A comment on Joanne Nova's site, the comments are well worth reading and are of a high standard, it is based in Australia but comments are from all over, the reader may not be clear about the the country being talked about sometimes.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 month ago
    "may turn into a recurring shot that only works on half the population."

    I want an inoculation like for measles, mumps, etc. If it isn't going to be effective, I'm not going to waste my time. And I'm especially not going to risk any side-effects. Heard on the radio today that a normal vaccine process takes 2-3 years precisely so they can study side-effects. Are we trying to rush this solely for political reasons?
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  • Posted by $ pixelate 1 month ago
    I spoke with my parents, ages in the 70s. They will refuse to take the Vaccine and will likely have some medical rationale to Opt Out. I will also Opt Out, my reason being "No Thank You." If I am Forced to take it, then I will use my Engineering Imagination along with theLibertarian Non-Aggression Principle to come up with a reaction in terms of the Reciprocity Framework. In other words, things could get interesting for this retired engineer who has a lot of extra money just laying around and a sharp axe to grind.
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  • Posted by rhfinle 1 month ago
    Just get the Wuhan Virus once, when the crisis has died down and the hospitals aren't overloaded (which will give you a better chance of surviving it). Then you're immune and don't need the shots.
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  • Posted by Lucky 1 month, 1 week ago
    If it did that, and it had no side effects or other risks, I would probably take it.

    However, I have next to no confidence a vaccine will do that.
    This c19 virus has not been properly defined!
    C19 appears to mutate, but how fast? As fast as flu? If so, a new jab is needed every year, or more often.

    When a vaccine comes out, tested for safety and effectiveness or not, one thing is for sure - vast repeat market, w or w/o compulsion - very profitable.

    [Ensure that info on the treatments that do work is suppressed]
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    • Posted by 1 month, 1 week ago
      Side effects from recent vaccines have taken years to be recognized by the media if at all.
      HCQ appears to do more good vs COVID than the vaccine testing shows and has a 60 year history.
      I agree. This is a wealth and power grab, imo.
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      • Posted by CaptainKirk 1 month ago
        That Dr. Mikavitz (Plague of Corruption)...
        Points out the time line for the first cases of Autism where AFTER the Rockefeller Institute was working on vaccines! And it hit doctors kids who were probable the first people tested.

        She also explained how they attenuate a virus, and how it has back-fired in the past. Causing a lot of problems by potentially bringing in other viruses during the attenuation process...
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