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Why This Election Could Be the Most Important Since the US Civil War

Posted by freedomforall 1 month, 3 weeks ago to Philosophy
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Nobody, except for a few libertarians and conservatives, are countering the purposefully destructive ideas AOC represents. And they have a very limited audience and not much of a platform. Arguing for sound money and limited government makes them seem like Old Testament prophets. Collectivism and statism are overwhelming the values of individualism and liberty.

It’s exactly the type of thing the Founders tried to guard against by restricting the vote to property owners over 21, going through the Electoral College. Now, welfare recipients who are only 18 can vote, and the Electoral College is toothless.
If you must have voting, it should only be for people 25 or over, who own a certain amount of property, so they have something to lose in the system. Most important, the government should have zero involvement in the economy.
SOURCE URL: https://internationalman.com/articles/why-this-election-could-be-the-most-important-since-the-us-civil-war/


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  • Posted by brothertuck 1 month, 3 weeks ago
    Why is the Democratic version worse than the Republican version. I feel both sides need work to help make the government less of a ruling class and more as something there to serve us, the citizen.
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    • Posted by 1 month, 3 weeks ago
      The Republicans are less dishonest about how they are screwing us?
      Joking aside, I agree with your observation, bt.
      I would say that they should "serve" anyone using as little power as possible, limiting the services to only what the constitution overtly allows. (Ending all corporatism and all welfare payments to everyone.)
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      • Posted by fosterj717 1 month, 3 weeks ago
        Neither party truly represent "we the people" but rather they are just two sides of the same coin! The true "Masters of the Universe" are the one's that rule from behind and represent the 1/10th of 1%. It is a "Globalist" conspiracy of epoch proportions! We are little more than serfs in a growing feudal state run by the oligarchs and their "Swamp" creatures in DC. These are the ones who pull the strings unfortunately! We are the puppets that dance on the end of those strings!
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 1 month, 3 weeks ago
    Not only should you NOT vote unless you pay taxes on your propery and are over the age of 21/25, unless you are in the military but We Need to cull the dependent voter of the cities...I suggest that the 3/5 law apply to all cities...it's the only way I see to even out the power of the people.
    The last several election, we have seen what is really happening, there are more people in the cities that are dependent upon government, dependent upon all authority and as a result, have little authority themselves. That results into voting for more government instead of more freedom.
    It's something to think about...
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    • Posted by $ Dobrien 1 month, 3 weeks ago
      I wonder what would happen if laws were enforced. You know like campaign finance laws or you have to have legitimate proof you are a citizen. Or you can’t fraudulently become a citizen.
      Or you can’t receive campaign money from foreigners by laundering it threw BLM.
      The bastards cheat and cheat and cheat with no consequences. Heavy heavy fines and jail time to deter these criminal actions.
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      • Posted by Lucky 1 month, 3 weeks ago
        What would happen ..? Jails, justice, police would collapse from overload.

        Who was it in Atlas Shrugged who explained that laws are not intended to be enforced? Selective enforcement is a suppression tool.

        eg. Fines, threat of jail for breaking hard-lockdown.
        But no problem if part of a blm riot.
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    • Posted by lrshultis 1 month, 3 weeks ago
      If the only voters are those in the military, the end would be near. There must be a large part of the population to counter the damage that just the military beliefs can cause. It would be a government of possible tyrants ready for martial law.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 1 month, 3 weeks ago
    I would completely support a law where if you are a net receiver from the Federal Government, you forfeit your right to vote in national elections, which includes Senator, Representative, President, or Vice President. (I similarly think that States should have the same thing regarding local elections.)

    The property ownership thing is one I go back and forth on. The "skin in the game" principle is certainly in conflict with the "free stuff" mentality. I think the bigger thing lacking is just a critical teaching of civics in public schools. They teach the history - or try - but they don't teach the principles.
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    • Posted by 1 month, 3 weeks ago
      I think most teachers don't even try to teach history; they teach propaganda and pass people based on that instead of knowledge or understanding. The education system died in 1970, imo. I agree with everything else you wrote, blarman.
      I'd insist on extensive classes and testing on the constitution and its consequences to get a voter card, and exclude anyone who doesn't pass.
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      • Posted by fosterj717 1 month, 3 weeks ago
        That is spot on! It was early in the Kennedy administration that a revamp of public education took place. One of the striking events was the use of Hegel and his dialectic as a cornerstone of modernization of the system. In essence, political indoctrination became of greater importance in many respects than reading, writing and arithmetic. Then around 1970, being taught what to think as opposed to how to think was the marching orders of the system. History slowly but surely fell by the wayside. Now we have had about 2 generations of teachers that are clueless about the finer aspects of American (or for that matter, world) history. The Communists couldn't have scripted anything better than where we as a nation are right now! One election away from losing what little freedom we have left!
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        • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 1 month, 3 weeks ago
          This is one of the reasons I think that vouchers and school choice is probably the biggest issue. Unless we break the state stranglehold on education we are doomed. There needs to be some viable competition.

          I understand that some objectivists are not happy with state funded education in any form, but that ship has sailed -- at least for now.
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          • Posted by $ Dobrien 1 month, 3 weeks ago
            Of course Trump is pushing for school vouchers giving parents some choice and competition and the libs are threatened by that. The LA School teachers Union is demanding charter schools be closed. Good grief.
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        • Posted by $ Dobrien 1 month, 3 weeks ago
          That was planned many years before foster717. See Norman Dodd’s interview with G Edward Griffith. https://youtu.be/Ig51N62WPt8
          This is the video interview of Mr. Norman Dodd who was interviewed in 1982 by G. Edward Griffith on his time as Lead Researcher for the Reese Committee of the U.S. House (1952-56) and his findings of "Tax Exempt Foundations" and their funding of Communist movements inside and outside of the U.S. Also of their funding to "change American schooling" (changing of the history to bring about "change"). This is a very open and chilling interview and exposes what the Commission found and what is still happening even today. I have the copies of the hearings from both the Reese (Rep. Carroll B. Reese was a Republican from Tenn.) and the Cox Commission Hearings on the same subject. Rep. Cox was a Democrat from Georgia who headed up the first investigation into T.E.F.'s but died before the Commission could get started with interviewing those from the Foundations themselves. The papers from the Reese Commission are over 8,000 pages, the Cox Commission are about 3,000 pages. It all is a matter of public record and is done under swore testimony before the House Committees.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 1 month, 3 weeks ago
        I think most teachers don't know the history of the principles themselves. You can't teach what you don't know.

        I just finished re-reading Starship Troopers (Heinlein) again and the high school morality class by (Lt Colonel) Dubois sticks out to me.
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  • Posted by Mamaemma 1 month, 3 weeks ago
    Simple. You don’t vote unless you pay taxes
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 1 month, 3 weeks ago
      And, to clarify, "pay taxes" means you pay them, not that you file a form and get a low income tax credit.
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      • Posted by 1 month, 3 weeks ago
        I'd go further still. Paying taxes by individuals means paying taxes on assets (e.g. land, house, shares, etc), not on "income". (Taxes on income of individuals are theft, are unconstitutional, and must be abolished forever.) There is no "income" when an individual freely exchanges his labor for any form of payment; it is a fair exchange of equal value and there is no "profit" or "income." If you ask the IRS to define income for individuals and to quote the law that makes individuals liable for tax on income, they can not do so. They have repeatedly been asked and have never provided the law to incur the liability. They will send armed officers to collect/steal from you using force if you do not pay, but it is neither lawful or constitutional.
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  • Posted by minesayn 1 month, 3 weeks ago
    Having read through most of these comments about who should be able to vote (and by extension who shouldn't), it seems like many would like to return to the days of 1776-1787


    On another matter, in Ohio does not allow guns in the polling places. Is that not the law in other states? Just curious.
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  • Posted by ColHogan 1 month, 3 weeks ago
    While I agree with the above, it's also true that the republicans have called every election in the past 50 years "the most important since the US Civil War." Since the "squad" and San Fran Nan are obvious traitors, why aren't they censured or removed from Congress?
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  • Posted by Eyecu2 1 month, 3 weeks ago
    I have often said such and in fact I have taken it further by suggesting something similar to what was in place in the book Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein. In that story only citizens could vote and to be a citizen you first had to serve in the military for a tour of duty.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 1 month, 3 weeks ago
    Me 73 (million) year old dino ain't afraid of voting in a public place.
    I wear a mask and pack a pocket pistol.

    Q: Who was that masked man?
    A: Which one?
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    • Posted by Ben_C 1 month, 3 weeks ago
      Ditto. I am seventy four and pack a little heat. I was really healthy until Gov. Bitchmer closed my gym. Now its pretty much weed whipping and cutting my lawn. When my gym opens back up they better have reinforced heavy bags (I box at Title Boxing) because I have a ton of anger and frustration that will be unleashed.
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  • Posted by term2 1 month, 3 weeks ago
    This may indeed be the end of the USA as we know it if Trump loses and the dems gain both houses. It would mean this is NOT my country anymore, as I wont pledge allegiance to a bunch of dyed in the wool collectivists.

    If Trump wins presidency, BUT the repubs loses the house and senate, he will be impeached ASAP. If the repubs win the senate, but lose the hose, there will be a repeat of the impeachment hoax, but it will go nowhere.

    If the dems win the presidency, we will have a new president within a couple of years as Biden's health deteroriates. We will get a VP whose credentials are blackness and femaleness only.
    If they also win one of the houses, but lose the other, we will have gridlock.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 1 month, 3 weeks ago
    California is considering reducing the voting age to 17!
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    • Posted by 1 month, 3 weeks ago
      They should secede. But they can't afford to. Instead they will do all they can to remove Trump and anyone else who opposes socialist insanity.
      I'd raise the voting age to 30 with exceptions based on real assets owned, insist on extensive classes and testing on the constitution and its consequences to get a voter card, and exclude anyone who doesn't pass.
      State governments that disagree should leave if their voters (based on state registration rules) say so in a referendum.
      It's voters in FL and TX and OH that are more important at present. CA and the northeast are anti-freedom.
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  • Posted by $ Dobrien 1 month, 3 weeks ago
    Thanks for sharing and yes this election is possibly do or die for the US. I don’t know who this Doug Casey is but I did not learn anything from his article. Just because Trump doesn’t share his principles does not mean he doesn’t have any.
    Trump is attempting to take down the corrupt deep state. All the while guys like Casey who portends to be anti-socialism and for individual rights fawn over the actress AOC and slam Trump.
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