When Europeans Were Slaves: Research Suggests White Slavery Was Much More Common Than Previously Believed

Posted by $ Olduglycarl 2 weeks, 6 days ago to History
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Haven't vetted this out, not sure we can, but it seems to be a deeper look at history and the Muslim Slave Trade.

"A new study suggests that a million or more European Christians were enslaved by Muslims in North Africa between 1530 and 1780 – a far greater number than had ever been estimated before."

"In a new book, Robert Davis, professor of history at Ohio State University, developed a unique methodology to calculate the number of white Christians who were enslaved along Africa’s Barbary Coast, arriving at much higher slave population estimates than any previous studies had found".

"Most other accounts of slavery along the Barbary coast didn’t try to estimate the number of slaves, or only looked at the number of slaves in particular cities, Davis said. Most previously estimated slave counts have thus tended to be in the thousands, or at most in the tens of thousands. Davis, by contrast, has calculated that between 1 million and 1.25 million European Christians were captured and forced to work in North Africa from the 16th to 18th centuries."

"Davis’s new estimates appear in the book Christian Slaves, Muslim Masters: White Slavery in the Mediterranean, the Barbary Coast, and Italy, 1500-1800 (Palgrave Macmillan)."
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 2 weeks, 2 days ago
    Just magical. We were almost done with this chapter. My kids don't even understand get the concept of race bias.

    Yet, here we are, after electing a black president (at least a half-black one that identified as black), and racial issues almost non-existent. Now we have this ridiculous "peaceful" symbol of a pugilist-robot fist in the air, and people protesting all over, while the "peaceful" protests killed 11 black children, and looters killed a retired black police chief.

    FBI data is quite clear, and facts are not racist.
    2,925 black homicides, 2,600 by black offenders, 234 by white offenders.
    3,315 white homicides, 2,677 by white offenders, 514 by black offenders.

    Black people are 13.4%. White people are 63.4%. Using this:

    - Black people are 10x more likely to kill a white person than white people are to kill a black person.
    - Black people are 4.6x more likely to kill a black person, than white people are to kill a white person.

    If you auto correlate, people are more likely to kill people they associate with. Separately is you adjust for income, the racial statistics are much less skewed.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/...

    This is about maintaining the level of outrage and a ripe voting base, not racism or facts. The Democrats can't afford black people to succeed. If they succeed, they may think for themselves, and stop arbitrarily voting for the party of thieves. Thomas Sowell is quite clear on the subject.
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  • Posted by Lucky 2 weeks, 5 days ago
    Yes that matches my own reading. If anything the writer downplays the extent, Ireland was a long term major target, all nations and every ethnicity were in it as slavers, slave owners and slaves.

    Was there a philosophy that condemned slavery before modern times, 18thC, Willberforce and the Puritans? Religions and legal systems would have codes of conduct for owners that were fair by the standards of the times but did not prohibit the practice.
    The Arabs and Islam were major participants, at both ends, it probably pre-dated Islam, but all groups were in it as victims, providers and buyers.
    Similar, if you want to bash the US you could say that the US was the first to associate slaves with skin color, but there are examples, not many, of white slaves, and of black slave owners in the US, thus that proposition in wrong, the practice was universal.
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 2 weeks, 6 days ago
    You know...even the Indians had slaves! Why all this interest in a subject we all abhor? We would forceably help people avoid slavery today.
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    • Posted by $ 2 weeks, 6 days ago
      They blame the western mind set but in truth it was a middle eastern brain set...no ever claimed they had access to a mind.

      So, they are either the dumbest humanoids in creation or they are complicit as hell...both carry the same penalty as far as I am concerned.
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  • Posted by oldtk 2 weeks, 6 days ago
    BLM seems to embrace Muslims, at least the leftists and liberals do.
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    • Posted by $ 2 weeks, 6 days ago
      Proof that they have no introspection, no awareness or are just being BIG TIME CONTRARIAN!
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      • Posted by oldtk 2 weeks, 6 days ago
        I think they are being political, trying to get rid of Trump. Their platform is directed at him.
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        • Posted by $ 2 weeks, 6 days ago
          But there are intentional consequences for the rest of the world too.
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          • Posted by oldtk 2 weeks, 6 days ago
            What do you mean?
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            • Posted by $ 2 weeks, 6 days ago
              Yes, they want to get rid of trump but this is a global movement...they've already pretty much have taken down Europe...it's three fingers out of the water now.
              If we win this battle then it might save the western way of life for all.
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              • Posted by oldtk 2 weeks, 6 days ago
                It IS an EU movement also but the leftists are driven by Trump hate, seeing the US as the monster of THEIR oppression. They also hate their own leaders.

                But, in my travels last year I found that most I met in the EU like Trump and American freedom. The media drives such a huge propaganda campaign that it seems like we are doomed but we are not. Here in the states, come November, it will be a rude awakening for the idiots of the left. Just wait and don't listen to the polls. Trump supporters do not poll, as a general rule.

                But I am concerned that Trump himself is listening to them and he is not doing his usual thing. Worries me.
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                • Posted by $ 2 weeks, 6 days ago
                  Yes, it seems that way but what IF...he's goin along in order to give em more Rope to Hang themselves?

                  PS...was listening to a special by Glenn Beck, on BLM, AntiF**K, etc etc...it all started a long time ago...it's just a convenient time to push the envelope.
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  • Posted by Rex_Little 2 weeks, 2 days ago
    Does anyone know what the laws were in the antebellum US concerning race and slavery? Could whites be legally owned as slaves? If you came across a white person who couldn't prove (s)he was a free citizen, could you claim him/her as a slave?
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  • Posted by $ blarman 2 weeks, 3 days ago
    Many people are just plain ignorant of history. Slavery has been around for millenia. The Egyptians enslaved millions of Israelites for hundreds of years. The Babylonians and Assyrians practiced it after that. Ancient Rome was no stranger to slavery. Islam has always held slavery of non-believers as a fundamental tenet and has practiced it since inception on most of the world's populace. Ancient China certainly had its slaves - most of its populace, really - as the warlords had absolute, tyrannical control. Same with Japan. And certainly Africa as far back as history goes. I'm not sure there is a nation in history which hasn't had slavery.
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    • Posted by $ 2 weeks, 3 days ago
      Just as mankind didn't become conscious over night and many still haven't, that transition from slavery has taken a long time to stop that practice.
      England and America were the first to realize it was wrong, sure, two other nations actually did it before us, although there are quibbles about Mexico.
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  • Posted by $ 25n56il4 2 weeks, 6 days ago
    Returning from a road trip recently, my best friend asked a young lady at a short stop place if she was working there by choice! Happily she laughed and told him she was.
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  • Posted by $ 2 weeks, 6 days ago
    "Even Americans were not immune. For example, one American slave reported that 130 other American seamen had been enslaved by the Algerians in the Mediterranean and Atlantic just between 1785 and 1793."
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    • Posted by TheOldMan 2 weeks, 2 days ago
      Ever wonder about the words "From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli"? The first US Navy was created in order to attack the Muslim slave raiders on the Barbary coast. Europeans were content to simply pay tribute, aka extortion, to get some protection but sometimes their seaman were also captured and enslaved. Then they had to pay extra, aka ransom. There were a few debacles along the way but eventually the US Navy forced the Muslims to back off of US ships.
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