If you're not sensitive to swear words, this is IMO a good long analytical talk IMO about the hi-jacking of the mind.

Posted by SilentScream 1 month, 4 weeks ago to Culture
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Just something I was listening to while working around the house today and it seemed interesting & to overall ring pretty true (at least from my level of knowledge, understanding, experience, & vocabulary). Just sharing it for anyone else with enough time & interest for long-form conversations about things like this, or anyone who can spot any "fuzzy logic" that I might have over-looked. This Tom guy isn't my favorite interviewer (something seems a little too showy & image-focused, but what do I know?) but like Joe Rogan he occasionally has some pretty brilliant minds or legendary people on for some interesting/unusual conversations.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 month, 4 weeks ago
    I will watch after work.

    Don't stop posting due to bristly "geniuses". No one I know who was actual brilliant, asserted that they were.
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 1 month, 3 weeks ago
    Thank you, Silent Scream, for sharing this. It is the most worthwhile interview I have ever seen, a brilliant exposition by a unique mind of human civilization. Worth every minute of watching, and I even watched parts of it twice. It is great to know there is at least one human being who has the finest comprehension of psychoepistemology and meme dynamics. Daniel Schmachtenberger is an intellect I'd love to converse with without end. You made my day and year, S.S. He agrees with everything as I understand things. That proves the case, doesn't it?
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    • Posted by 1 month, 3 weeks ago
      Very glad it found you & that you liked it as much as I did. It moved slowly but touched a lot of things. I mostly was listening while working around the house but also went back & re-visited different parts while watching. You can definitely see the difference in their eyes and that one is more focused and far-seeing while the other more scattered & more in the moment. The concept in the name (neuro-hacking) is what drew my attention as I too find it very relatable to how I've been seeing my brain, including my sleep cycles which I try to keep adequate at least. I think like good sweaty, exhausting exercise, we have yet to fully realize how significant sleep is to well-being.

      Almost like programming and de-bugging a computer (though that's certainly not among the skills I've learned), I kind of see new skills, ideas, or knowledge learned almost like a physical accretion (it kind of is). Learning flint-knapping from Youtube just alone on the porch (like learning most things) it seemed at first like just WAY too many factors to hold in mind at once (the angle, the pressure, the platform, the grip, the moment it's time to snap out of auto-pilot and use a different tool or sharpen the tip), but the subconscious mind is the one that calculates, sorts through the junk, and gives good tips for progress. ...or bad tips and mistakes when the frame of mind is unrestful. There's clearly a link between the frame of mind & the results, and a flow to find even in that. So the practice is just the programming to keep track of & sort out all the things & to notice & point out new patterns of new problems & solutions as they creep into the picture. 7 years go by quick, but just by doing something more productive than TV or video games (while taking in SO many hours of seemingly interesting podcasts & lectures), I've accidentally gotten really good at it & seen it start paying it's own way and then some.

      I imagine & think this applies to learning just about anything. I've always kind of skipped around between a lot of different types of jobs until I found where I'm at and well fit (not the above. That's more for enjoyment), but it seems to be true that what's found in learning one thing has application & use in almost (if not) every other field as well. So many things boil down to so many of the same things: fulcrums, levers, angles, pressure, traction, velocity, patterns, strategies, & your programming on how to use them more & more efficiently.

      The best part about new learning can also feel like the worst: that it comes in big waves of seeming like you're succeeding or else failing at everything you touch, but it's only in the moments and the waves do calm down as more & more consistency is built. Never "perfect" which I take to mean that time is the only limit to what you can acheive.
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      • Posted by $ puzzlelady 1 month, 3 weeks ago
        Thank you, Silent Scream, for sharing your thinking. Very interesting. And I, too, noticed "the difference in their eyes", far-seeing and wider focus of Daniel and scattered and self-absorbed by the host. Daniel seems to have perfected a style of discourse that is totally unthreatening to the listener, non-confrontational, possibly the best key to persuasion.

        Yes, and "never perfect" is inevitable in a constantly changing and evolving world, but often almost perfect is good enough until the next improvement can be found. Especially since, as I believe, there may be more than one right answer. Saving or transforming civilization with intelligence and without war may well be the next stage of human evolution. Our brains need to grow past the animal predator state of conquest and rivalry.
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  • Posted by $ Dobrien 1 month, 4 weeks ago
    Got about 18 mins in and will continue at another time.
    I concur with your thoughts about the interviewer,
    The guest is very interesting. Thanks for sharing:)
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    • Posted by 1 month, 4 weeks ago
      I'm glad you found what you saw of it so far interesting. It's a long conversation that develops slowly & I can only think of 1 or 2 friends who MIGHT have enough interest & attention span to watch/listen to it all. But I found it highly interesting & useful. Especially in helping explain a thing or two that hasn't sat right with me about a few people who I WANT to believe in but honestly don't fully trust. It's a regular thing for me to put on a good interview or lecture while flint-knapping with full focus, so I just thought it would be worth sharing in case anyone else out there like me has more than the normal amount of quiet work/hobby time & is always looking for something interesting to listen to.
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    Posted by Doug_Huffman 1 month, 4 weeks ago
    I avoid glib as I avoid thoughtlessness. The nonsense overhead of video is excessive. And I live at the literal last mile on a 1.5 Mbps network.

    So much to read, so little time, not enough to watch.
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    • Posted by 1 month, 4 weeks ago
      I was able to understand the dialogue in the video, but I'm still scratching my head trying to understand the meaning and intent of this comment. What I think you're saying is that you decided not to watch it because it seemed like "glib" & "thoughtless" "nonsense", there's too many videos out there, and not enough bandwidth on your current internet service plan for watching them?

      If that's the case and others are also of the opinion that there is no value in what I shared, then I suppose I'll think twice before sharing again and either just browse or keep looking for a place where there is more learning and teaching to be found.
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        Posted by Doug_Huffman 1 month, 4 weeks ago
        I’m pretty sure that I gave you an up check.

        “Learning and teaching” is where YOU find it.

        I’m 71, vastly educated, well read, IQ closer to the right tail limit than normal. There’s not much a Zoomer is going to teach me. Otay?
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        • Posted by 1 month, 4 weeks ago
          Wow! You HAVE taught me something new after all. Again, I will gladly leave if the folks here are so easily triggered and so quick to label me with a new derogatory name. Not the kind of behavior I would expect from such a vastly educated & elevated IQ. Edit: I am done with this conversation, BTW. Reply if you wish but I won't continue to participate. Too many people trying to pick fights these days.
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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 1 month, 4 weeks ago
            Somebody thinks they are more knowledgeable than they probably are.

            Rejecting input from an arbitrary "Zoomer" is not an indication of continued learning. It is evidence of stalled learning, arrogance and dogma.
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          • Posted by $ Dobrien 1 month, 4 weeks ago
            He does not represent anyone but himself. Arrogance is an uncommon trait for many here.
            It makes me thinQ why free speech is so important. It allows you to see the true content of their character. Peace SilentScream.
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