Grapes of Wrath example not withstanding, you assume your right to exist implies that others have to give you the means to exist. the whole point of AS. how can you be an Objectivist with this rationale?

morality. DO NOT come up with a turtle reference

I have yet to hear of an abortion where everyone affected agreed to it. (particularly the one being terminated)

When you establish a precedent of dehumanizing those at the margins, who's next for arbitrary termination? The old, the crippled? The non-sheep?

eeehhhh. tapeworms do not equal potential human life. genetics tells us so. and also, eeehhhhh.
no one would even suggest you can't slowly cut off inches only at a time of tape worm so they can't reproduce in your body if yu cut them off too soon. eeeehhhhh.
I'm going to have a nightmare tonight.

at least it was wine and not the milk of human kindness :)

it did not harm the character Rosasharn to breastfeed the old man in Grapes Of Wrath. He at least was a a living human being. did she have a moral obligation to offer her breast to him?

That's a bummer!

your first statement is insulting.
we can discuss human life vs not human life. that potential life has value is a separate argument.
you do not have a right to decide that someone else has to sacrifice their life because YOU think they should do something. this is the same argument used for every social welfare argument, and will lead to the same disastrous consequences

Which is why people get them removed. Parasites by their very nature feed off of their hosts. Most would not compare a fetus to a tapeworm, though.

exactly.

i spilled on the keyboard. coffee. maybe wine...who knows. anyway, i'm using a wireless keyboard and the original keyboard is over riding the wireless one. sticky key thing. annoying and where I am there is a wait for eveything communicado. i have restarted this baby 30 times today. it'll reset for awhile and then, :P

Personal judgments are objective. That is one of the major things Ayn Rand proved.

Birth control is not the same as abortion. Either you know that and are attempting to conflate the issue or you don't and then errrrr...

Abortion is more often than not wrong because human life is a value. Yes, a fetus is not an actual human life, but it is the first stage of development in a new human life. That is a value.

Now, if carrying the child to term harms the woman's life, that is a valid reason for an abortion. I can't possibly know every context of every individual and how carrying a child harms her life, which is why it's her choice. It's no different from how individuals are left to decide what harms their lives on their own because only an individual can truly knows what harms/helps her/his own life.

I do not think anyone has the right to dictate what a person can or cannot do with thir bodies. This is an intensely personal, agonizing decision, which to me would never be entered into lightly, not by any person I know, that's certain. It has no business coming up in politics, and should be solely the decision of the person contemplating it. I feel it is absolutely none of my business, and I certainly have no right to inflict my views on someone else's very personal decision.

never bought into that. i actually believe it is my body. and leave me alone. also, take your hand out of my pocket. ) that was a smiley. my keyboard is unhappy

i think that conservatives have made sexuality shameful. if it wasn't a badge of shame in certain cultures- more females would carry their baby to term-even if they're driven by economic reasons instead of a moral driver.

it does not exist independent from the female's body.

my keyboard is acting up, so overlook typos. i may not be able to continue