Transhumanism Vs. A Conservative Death Ethos

Posted by Eudaimonia 10 years, 10 months ago to Philosophy
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This piece by Edward Hudgins in the latest Atlas Society newsletter is a pre-review of a book by Zoltan Istvan

In this short piece, Hudgins briefly addresses the central argument in Istvan's book.
He also address the argument of Wesley Smith a conservative detractor of both Istvan's argument and of Transhumanism in general.

It is not clear whether Istvan is making a case that Transhumanism is a beneficial movement.
Smith makes the case that Transhumanism is not beneficial because it is inherently selfish.
Hudgins makes the case that Transhumanism is not only beneficial but compatible with Objectivism precisely because it is selfish.

I find Transhumanism disconcerting.
Aristotle speaks of form and function being integral to each other.
He also speaks of human ethics being integral to this form and function.
Ayn Rand resurrected Aristotle's approach to ethics: "man qua man".

As an Objectivist, I believe that Aristotle and Rand are correct in their approach to the question of human ethics.
Marxists consider men evil and imperfect because men are not and yet should be ants, bees, or some other collective hive-mind insect.
Smith considers the Transhumanist possibility of immortality to be selfish because men are and should be plants which must "go to seed".
Transhumanists consider "man" to be a phase which man is passing through.
None of these lines of thought address the Objectivist ethical tenet of "man qua man".

Transhumanism strikes me as inherently Nietzschean.
If the Transhumanist possibility of immortality succeeds, then we would no longer be longer "men".
It is not only humanism which will have been transformed, but according to Nietzsche and Aristotle our values as well.
What then would be our ethic?

My concern is not of a Luddite nature.
It is more "Popeye" - "I am what I am".

Your comments are welcome.


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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Wiggys, I certain agree about the brilliance of Ayn Rand; I also accept the premise of Transhumanism as described by Ed Hudgins of the Atlas Society. If you are answering something or someone else, then quoting and citing would help us all. As you said, "... all of these "critics" will continue to try and will fail." I assume that you did not mean Ed Hudgins but were referring to someone else.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Zen, I have to agree, but perhaps not in the way you intended. Is this not what every "economic regulation" is from the licensing of automobile dealers (read about Tesla) to the licensing of attorneys and barbers? You asked: "Does any developmental stage of man have an ethical right to essentially halt evolution at that point? " And I thought of Rome. Successful merchants turned their enterprises over to slaves and free servants while they retired to the country to live like successful farmers. Rome sought to maintain itself as expressed by its civic virtues of gravitas, civitas, pietas, et cetera. So, like his father, the Marc Anthony we more easily know conquered a city (several of them), looted them of their wealth, and delivered that to the people of Rome. He even gave the Library of Pergamum to Cleopatra.

    In short, what you are saying is that any attempt to preserve the past is inherently a betrayal of the future. That has ramifications for those who embrace the "original" U. S. Constitution.



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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Dr. Z, I must agree with your generalization: "The future of humanity is more complex than the transhumanists thinking." What is not more complex than the original thinking of the innovators?? Do you think that Edison or Ford or even Alduous Huxley foresaw 2014? That they did not and could not is not the point. The important action is opening the door. You do not know what lies beyond or where it will lead, but knolwledge is the key that unlocks the door to the future.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I disagree, DrZ. In fact, history demonstrates that pretty much everything trickles down to the poor. I remember when we used to dress up to go on an airliner. My mother's generation dressed for travel on trains. Today's indigent unbilled hospital emergency room visits get treatment that H.G. Wells would have called "science fiction." (How about those plastic leg casts tightened with velcro strips?)

    I am a fan of public transportation, so I see the lower strata every day. I mean, looking out the window, I saw three guys I would call homeless in a ravine behind a strip mall tapping into someone's WiFi with a laptop. Elite? I doubt it...
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  • Posted by IndianaGary 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If, by BO you mean Barak Obama, he IS a Socialist. I don't see the connection between BO and your statement that Rand designated her philosophy as "moral pragmatism." As others have noted, "The Objectivist Ethics" in the Virtue of Selfishness would be a great chapter to review. The whole philosophy of pragmatism was anathema to Rand which is why I am skeptical about the attribution.
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I am so angry. BO has used my thoughts and words for the whole of the last 5 years, but that one really p---es me off, because you believe it is not Objectivist!!
    Where do I go to vomit???
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The paths to life extension will be expensive, and likely available only to an elite. That will create the most dramatic division in human society in its history, and sure to breed a violent rebellion. This is not going to end well.
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I just had an epiphany--I wonder if, in the 5 years that have elapsed since I spoke thus to BO--see previous post--he has tried to use Rand's moral pragmatism for his own idiotology, and that's why you are wondering why I have said it is an objectivist thought. There was an article in one of the uber intellectual mags on moral pragmatism, using it for socialist thought. I knew BO was behind it, but I didn't think anyone would take it as seriously being a socialist phenom!!. A word to the wary--BEWARE!!!
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    Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This is a good opening for me to report that when I mentioned "moral pragmatism" to BO about 5 years ago now, in his odd little mind he interpreted as meaning only if it works is it moral.
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    Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Start with "For the New Intellectual--the Philosophy of Ayn Rand"--
    (I had to reply to your comment on the general "Add Comment", by the way, we're running out of room here.
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 10 months ago
    My source for what, Indiana Gary? Moral Pragmatism? I'll have to go home and look it up in one of my books on Objectivism--or maybe you can peruse her writings, you seem to have overlooked it!
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  • Posted by IndianaGary 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I'm still waiting for you to cite your source. If you can't then stop attributing the comment to Rand.
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  • Posted by wiggys 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    observe that obesity and all ailments that come from it are on the rise because
    the youth of America is stagnating physically by choice. while my parents generation has increased life expectancy as is mine, I am 72, the generations following mine will see a lowing of life expectancy. as for replacing body parts we will need skilled doctors and obamacare is making that impossible. read "return of the primitive" by none other than AR. that is the direction we are going in.
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, and just one more thing, Mike--as Columbo would have said--you got the egoism (egotism in your case) part right--I might just call it hyperegotism.
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    Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are way wrong--she designated her philosophy as "moral pragmatism." No wonder you don't understand her!
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Also, Mike, I may put you into the same category wherein I have slotted Buckley and Vidal: pretentious uber-intellectuals. Just because you espouse Objectivism doesn't clear you of pretentiousness!
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I read AR, as I've said. I wouldn't say that I studied Rand. Perhaps as a philosophy it appealed to something I already had inside, but that doesn't mean I agree with everything she has said or written.
    Nor do I make Objectivism into a cult or Rand into a Saint. For one thing, she was not an economist.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Ayn Rand's theory of egoism, called the Objectivist Ethics, is opposed to pragmatism. If the last time you "studied" Ayn Rand was in high school, then you need to brush up because you seem to have forgotten significant facts.
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You're right--I missed the "cogent' examination of "Objectivist Ethics". Can you describe it in a nutshell?
    I studied Rand in High School. Extracurricularly, of course. My friends all leaned liberal.
    Anyway, perhaps you can give me a review. By the way, The question "Why should God be moral" relates to Objectivist Ethics how?
    Rand's code of ethics--as actions--were expressed as moral pragmatism. What does that mean to you, exactly?

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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Again, as above, you do not understand the context. For anyone familiar with the works of Ayn Rand, those words are defined. Arguments do follow, but they begin with a basis of common understanding. It is not my preferred reading, but if you care to find _The Journal of Ayn Rand Studies_ you will find a lot of arguments against a lot of what Ayn Rand wrote. But they all assume prior knowledge of that set of works.

    Again, I refer you to "The Objectivist Ethics" in _The Virtue of Selfishness_.
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  • Posted by $ MikeMarotta 10 years, 10 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You do not understand the question because you seem not to understand the context. Commander opened the door to a cogent examination of the Objectivist ethics. Your question here (and the one below) show that you are not on the same page. It is like someone arguing whether "selfishness" is good or whether "capitalism" is just. Then demanding that we define our terms. We did, long ago; but you were not there for that. If you want to come up to speed, read _The Virtue of Selfishness_, especially the introductory essay, "The Objectivist Ethics." Rand defined what she meant and why; and we all pretty much accepted that. If you want to discuss this productively, you need to understand the context.
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  • Posted by CTYankee 10 years, 10 months ago
    The Web is almost an Trans-humanist experiment, and has exposed an number of flaws. Perhaps the most offensive flaw is the lack of containment of snarky 13 year-olds.

    Sarcasm is difficult enough to pull off effectively in person when non-verbal communication channels are wide open. So many repeatedly fail to use effectively in the text-only medium of the intertubes, that there needs to be a physical penalty...

    It is also likely that the 'dumb masses' of society would simply self-delete when faced with the powers that accompany a trans-human existence. Their limited minds would be incapable of handling the bandwidth, and ultimately all the permutations of fantasy football would all be explored -- then what would they do?
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 10 months ago
    The wikipedia article quoted Julian Huxley, something he wrote in 1957. After 50 years of the European subcontinent nearly destroying itself and a major portion of the world. It is no wonder he and others felt that the human race needed improvement, and a lot of improvement!!
    Europeans need to stop beating themselves up and work on trying to figure out just why what happened, happened. Wallowing in guilt isn't going to get you anywhere. And I'm pretty sure it is guilt in being human that is the motivation for transhumanism. I see a lot of good in people-not always at every point in time and space, of course.
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