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Star Trek Prime Directive Meets Ayn Rand

Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 8 months ago to Philosophy
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First of all let me say that I cannot believe I am doing an analysis of the Star Trek prime directive. The prime directive states:
“As the right of each sentient species to live in accordance with its normal cultural evolution is considered sacred, no Star Fleet personnel may interfere with the healthy development of alien life and culture. Such interference includes the introduction of superior knowledge, strength, or technology to a world whose society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely. Star Fleet personnel may not violate this Prime Directive, even to save their lives and/or their ship unless they are acting to right an earlier violation or an accidental contamination of said culture. This directive takes precedence over any and all other considerations, and carries with it the highest moral obligation.”

The associated prohibitions are given below (according to Jbrenner)

1. Providing knowledge of technologies or science
2. Taking actions to generally affect a society's overall development
3. Taking actions which support one faction within a society over another
4. Helping a society escape the negative consequences of its own actions
5. Helping a society escape a natural disaster known to the society, even if inaction would result in a society's extinction.
6. Subverting or avoiding the application of a society's laws
7. Interfering in the internal affairs of a society


What would Ayn Rand say about the prime directive. I bet her first question would be what is a sentient species? According to dictionary “sentient” means “able to perceive or feel things.” Well cows, cats, dogs, and many other species can perceive or feel things, in fact much simpler organisms would fit this definition. Based on this definition Rand would state that only rational beings have rights. Rand defined the hierarchy of knowledge integration as sensation, precepts, and conceptual. She explains it perceptual in this example.

“An animal is guided, not merely by immediate sensations, but by percepts. Its actions are not single, discrete responses to single, separate stimuli, but are directed by an integrated awareness of the perceptual reality confronting it. It is able to grasp the perceptual concretes immediately present and it is able to form automatic perceptual associations, but it can go no further.”

My guess is that Rand would then ask what is “normal cultural evolution.” Is it normal cultural evolution to allow Rachel Carson to convince countries to ban DDT and cause 100 million deaths? Is it normal cultural evolution to allow Mao to institute the cultural revolution that will starve over 30 million people to death? There is no such thing a normal cultural evolution. But it rings of Marxist ideas of a scientific progression of society.
Then Rand would ask why normal cultural evolution is considered sacred. According to the dictionary sacred means “connected with God (or the gods) or dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration.” Rand would reject anything based on an appeal to a deity. The proof of the first sentence of the prime directive rests on an appeal to faith, not reason.
It is clear the Prime Directive is based on faith, not reason and is immoral from the first sentence. I will not take on the rest of the directive but I will look at the prohibitions. The first prohibition is “Providing knowledge of technologies or science.” Given that directive was directed to species that are “able to perceive or feel things” this is almost meaningless. Most species that able to perceive are not able to understand or take advantage of knowledge.
But what about rational beings? Why would you not provide knowledge of technologies or science? Does this mean we cannot teach our kids science and technology? That would clearly be immoral. Your objection might be that they are within our culture, but what about African cultures? Should we have not introduced DDT, or steam engines, or the Internet? While we have no obligation to introduce these sciences and technologies, to purposely prohibit them would be immoral.
All the prohibitions and the prime directives are based group think (and written by Hollywood TV writers!). The word society is mentioned nine times in the Prime Directive and in the prohibitions. Individual is not mentioned once. Societies are based on a collection of people and only have rights based on the rights of the individuals, who make up the society, but none separate from them.
Start Trek’s Prime Directive is an inherently Socialist Ideal and Evil.



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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Hong Kong concerns me a little because it got nationalized as part of China, even though the Chinese are becoming more capitalistic. Although I have minor points with all of the countries you mention, I do agree that they are higher in economic freedom than the US. Some of them, however, are lower ranked with regard to non-economic freedom.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    " By giving them a protective shield, we have enabled them all to embrace socialism at a lower cost since they do not have to spend as much on armaments to protect themselves."

    Agreed, they should have had to pay tribute for their protection, or protection should have been provided directly by our legions, which of course meant a governor-general ruling the country via proxies.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago
    Suppose we were actually to construct a physical Atlantis in such a way that was free from any other nation's jurisdiction. By the philosophy expressed by several people in this thread, it should be quite reasonable that other nations should have the right to interfere in our Atlantis because they think they know better how to govern us than we would know how to govern ourselves. I would tell them to stick their noses where the sun doesn't shine. A world governed by the Prime Directive would mean that we would be free from the moochers, looters, and statists of the world. I am curious to see how many people's opinions change when looking at this from the opposite perspective.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, it doesn't.

    Okay, let's look at it metaphorically.

    On the first of the month, you stop a thug from stealing a package from your neighbor's porch.
    You do not kill him. You do not turn him over to the police and testify at his trial.

    At the end of the month, the thug comes and sets fire to your house.

    Stopping the thug, by the way you describe it, "backfired". When in reality the failure lay in actions subsequent to the initial action.

    Throwing the Soviets out of *any* place was in our interest. Failure to deal with the middle-eastern savages according to their nature after that, failure to insert western controls into the power vacuum that followed the Soviet pullout, were the factors leading up to 9/11. NOT helping the Mujahideen.

    Even Bin Laden asserted that the trigger for his assault on 9/11 was Desert Storm, not throwing the Soviets out of Afghanistan.

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  • Posted by zagros 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I have investments -- in Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, and Switzerland (the ONLY free countries, according to the Index of Economic Freedom, left in the world), all of which still respect the rule of law (though Switzerland has been faultering due to bullying from the US). The US is actually below Chile right now in economic freedom (Canada, our neighbor to the north is also a better place to put your money than the US). Look up Index of Economic Freedom from either the Heritage Institute or the Frasier Institute.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    on which definition of "morality" do you base your assertion?

    I base mine on Heinlein's. That behavior which serves to ensure the continued existence and prosperity of my kind.

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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You either have to a) bear the burden of what your government foists upon you, b) not only fight, but WIN, over that government, c) leave and start a new society, or d) shut up and sit down. A) is unacceptable to anyone here in the Gulch. D) is not typical behavior for Gulchers either. There are some who choose B). C) is the answer for the rest of us like me. I will welcome individual Cubans, Iranians, Chinese, or anyone else in Atlantis IF they share our values.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "Joe Blow off the street" pulls a handgun and shoots someone you love.

    His actions don't affect you?
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Bullshit.
    "We need to lead by example. If we do not want others to interfere in our internal affairs, we should not interfere in theirs."

    Can't have Falstaff and have him thin.

    Who are we to lead, if we're just "equal" to everyone else? And if we are superior enough to lead, why not conquer?

    The mess came about because we pompously rejected the historic reality at the end of WWII that we were meant to rule the world. As Iraq and Afghanistan demonstrated in microcosm, we so hated the idea of there being masters that we made servants of our people.

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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, the root of our foreign policy woes is not to acknowledge and act upon the true nature of Man. That includes emotions, Mr Spock.

    Most of the world is not concerned with your fictional "natural rights". They respect power and see opportunity in weakness. Therein lies the root of our foreign policy woes.

    Your "reason" is flawed because of your blind devotion to the utopian idea of all people thinking the same way and all people holding the same values.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    That is my understanding of the Prime Directive as well. The idea that the Prime Directive denies free trade is only accurate in cases where the "society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely".
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nah, it was welfare and was also intended to reduce the numbers of blacks that ran to the North and manufacturing.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Japan and Germany were two very, very different sets of circumstances.

    Are you REALLY toeing the liberal line that aggression is a result of *poverty*?

    with ISIS raking in a million a day?
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    No, the problem in Afghanistan was NOT that we did not demand that they set up a constitution (you capitalize it when referring to the specific document) based on any fictional belief system.

    The problem with Afghanistan is that we allied with the Northern Alliance instead of conquering the country and appointing an American governor-general to rule it until we'd pacified the rest of the middle east, maybe longer.
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  • Posted by Hiraghm 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, no administration since at least Reagan would have had the nerve to demand that they set up a constitution based on unicorn farts, either.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Zagros' first two sentences are exactly what I heard from both native Chinese who are my students, as well as the president and provost of my university.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And if you refuse to invest in the US for those reasons, it is hard to invest in anywhere right now. This is precisely my problem, and it is one reason why I am drumming up interest for a physical Atlantis.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    On this, we agree, but no administration since at least Reagan would have had the nerve to demand that they set up a constitution based on natural rights, and no administration will ever do so again. Your carpet bomb strategy describes my philosophy of war, should it ever (and hopefully never) gets to that point.
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  • Posted by zagros 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I disagree. It is up to others to uphold their own natural rights, not for us to uphold them. We need to lead by example. If we do not want others to interfere in our internal affairs, we should not interfere in theirs. Once we decided to become the world policeman, our country devolved into the mess that we have today since it is one small step from "stopping people from doing stupid stuff" (the Obama foreign policy doctrine) to "forcing people to do what you think is right" (the Obama domestic policy doctrine).
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The problem in Afghanistan is that we did not demand that they setup a Constitution based on Natural Rights. If we had and provided them the transition skills, it would have worked fine. If we are unwilling to do that, then we should just carpet bomb them and say if you do that again we will bomb you even more severely.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The root of our foreign policy woes is the failure to follow reason and more specifically to uphold Natural Rights, which is the values on which this country was founded.
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago
    After reading your analysis, I wonder if trade and commerce would qualify as intervention?
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