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Star Trek Prime Directive Meets Ayn Rand

Posted by dbhalling 10 years, 8 months ago to Philosophy
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First of all let me say that I cannot believe I am doing an analysis of the Star Trek prime directive. The prime directive states:
“As the right of each sentient species to live in accordance with its normal cultural evolution is considered sacred, no Star Fleet personnel may interfere with the healthy development of alien life and culture. Such interference includes the introduction of superior knowledge, strength, or technology to a world whose society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely. Star Fleet personnel may not violate this Prime Directive, even to save their lives and/or their ship unless they are acting to right an earlier violation or an accidental contamination of said culture. This directive takes precedence over any and all other considerations, and carries with it the highest moral obligation.”

The associated prohibitions are given below (according to Jbrenner)

1. Providing knowledge of technologies or science
2. Taking actions to generally affect a society's overall development
3. Taking actions which support one faction within a society over another
4. Helping a society escape the negative consequences of its own actions
5. Helping a society escape a natural disaster known to the society, even if inaction would result in a society's extinction.
6. Subverting or avoiding the application of a society's laws
7. Interfering in the internal affairs of a society


What would Ayn Rand say about the prime directive. I bet her first question would be what is a sentient species? According to dictionary “sentient” means “able to perceive or feel things.” Well cows, cats, dogs, and many other species can perceive or feel things, in fact much simpler organisms would fit this definition. Based on this definition Rand would state that only rational beings have rights. Rand defined the hierarchy of knowledge integration as sensation, precepts, and conceptual. She explains it perceptual in this example.

“An animal is guided, not merely by immediate sensations, but by percepts. Its actions are not single, discrete responses to single, separate stimuli, but are directed by an integrated awareness of the perceptual reality confronting it. It is able to grasp the perceptual concretes immediately present and it is able to form automatic perceptual associations, but it can go no further.”

My guess is that Rand would then ask what is “normal cultural evolution.” Is it normal cultural evolution to allow Rachel Carson to convince countries to ban DDT and cause 100 million deaths? Is it normal cultural evolution to allow Mao to institute the cultural revolution that will starve over 30 million people to death? There is no such thing a normal cultural evolution. But it rings of Marxist ideas of a scientific progression of society.
Then Rand would ask why normal cultural evolution is considered sacred. According to the dictionary sacred means “connected with God (or the gods) or dedicated to a religious purpose and so deserving veneration.” Rand would reject anything based on an appeal to a deity. The proof of the first sentence of the prime directive rests on an appeal to faith, not reason.
It is clear the Prime Directive is based on faith, not reason and is immoral from the first sentence. I will not take on the rest of the directive but I will look at the prohibitions. The first prohibition is “Providing knowledge of technologies or science.” Given that directive was directed to species that are “able to perceive or feel things” this is almost meaningless. Most species that able to perceive are not able to understand or take advantage of knowledge.
But what about rational beings? Why would you not provide knowledge of technologies or science? Does this mean we cannot teach our kids science and technology? That would clearly be immoral. Your objection might be that they are within our culture, but what about African cultures? Should we have not introduced DDT, or steam engines, or the Internet? While we have no obligation to introduce these sciences and technologies, to purposely prohibit them would be immoral.
All the prohibitions and the prime directives are based group think (and written by Hollywood TV writers!). The word society is mentioned nine times in the Prime Directive and in the prohibitions. Individual is not mentioned once. Societies are based on a collection of people and only have rights based on the rights of the individuals, who make up the society, but none separate from them.
Start Trek’s Prime Directive is an inherently Socialist Ideal and Evil.



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  • Posted by zagros 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Actually, military support for our "allies" has DEFINITELY backfired. By giving them a protective shield, we have enabled them all to embrace socialism at a lower cost since they do not have to spend as much on armaments to protect themselves. It has also fostered a dependency relationship that each of them reinforces within their own countries through their cradle-to-grave socialist states. Our own country was destroyed after 2008 when we embraced the idea of systemic collapse and the need to save those that are "too big to fail". If you are too big to fail, you are too big to succeed. The great thing about capitalism is NOT that anyone can succeed -- it is that anyone can FAIL.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Without a leadership that is tolerant of capitalism, it is just too hard for me to make a 30 year commitment to build a factory, even if the people are willing. It's too easy to nationalize the San Sebastian Mines.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    On your above comment, db, we agree. However, the discussion started with regard to Afghanistan and Iraq where Bush did try to impose freedom and democracy, and thugs were allowed unfortunately. If a culture is not ready for freedom and democracy, it will be thugs who rise to power, and this illustrates the importance of a trial period before full acceptance into the trading community.
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  • Posted by zagros 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you go back and read the Prime Directive, one can definitely provide technology to species that could handle the technology "responsibly" (whatever the heck that means) since the prohibition is ONLY with regard to the introduction of things where the "society is incapable of handling such advantages wisely". Currently, if the Prime Directive were in force on Earth today, no country would be denied antibiotics. However, the Prime Directive would prohibit us from transfering the technology for a nuclear bomb to the North Koreans or the Iranians. Not that this has stopped either country from developing or working on developing the technology independently (contrary to popular belief, both the Soviet Union and China rejected requests from North Korea to assist them in developing a bomb).
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  • Posted by zagros 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Cuban people are actually quite capitalist. Even Fidel Castro's brother, Raul Castro, is slowly coming to the realization that communism is a failure and needs to be reversed. He just is looking for a way to save face (like the Chinese already figured out how to do). Wait until after his brother dies. I think Cuba will turn against communism faster than you think (just as China and Vietnam have already repudiated it in all but in name). North Korea, on the other hand, is probably a lost cause.
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  • Posted by zagros 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Who are we to determine who are the thugs? So long as they do not affect us, why are we going around the world trying to "make the world safe for democracy" or not allowing freedom for thugs? Indeed, if you look at history, the reason why Hitler rose to power was because of the imposition of terms that were designed to be punative after World War I. With regard to Japan, there really was little stomach among the Japanese after World War II for more militarism but there likely would have been if the US had gone along with its initial plan to try the Emperor for war crimes. The best solution after you carpet bomb a country into the stone ages is to step back and let them pick up the pieces without imposing draconian terms on them or trying to pick winners or losers. Ultimately, it is our desire to reshape the destinies of other countries that lies as the root problem of many of our foreign policy woes.
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  • Posted by zagros 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The point wasn't that you have an obligation to stop them from doing anything stupid. The point was that stopping them from doing something stupid was not automatically altruistic. if you want to do it, it isn't altruism, it is selfish, and thus is good. Personally, I try to stop people from doing really stupid things when their stupidity will end up affecting me. Stopping a kid from drowing is definitely not altruistic because if that kid drowns in that swimming pool, the police are going to have an investigation and I won't be able to go swimming for a while. From what I have seen, most REAL stupidity (as in the kind that will get you killed, not the kind that will teach you a lesson) is rather like that. I have no obligation to do anything but I have a great self-interest in this regard. On the other hand, I just LOVE to part fools from their money and thus give them an expensive lesson since that is the only way to teach them in the future not to be stupid (not by deceit or trickery, mind you, but rather when they get so fixated on the potential gain that their forget about their considerable opportunity cost). When I was in the elementary school and Thurman Munson passed away in a plane crash in 1979, I ran upstairs to my room to find some old replica cards that I had. I immediately went to the house of a neighbor kid who wanted these replica cards and traded the replicas (which I had bought for $1) for his Thurman Munson rookie card. Sold that card 8 years later for $250. By teaching him a lesson in basic economics, I definitely traded value for value, even if he didn't like the deal that much shortly after that time. Last time I saw him, he actually thanked me for fleecing him since it taught him to be more careful when someone appears out of the blue offering you money -- they may have found more value than you realize is there!
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    repeat comment: You don't impose freedom, you just don't allow for thugs. That is not the same thing. Arguing this cannot be done is nonsense. We did it in Japan and Germany. Once the economy takes off most people will find that they have better things to do than spend their time trying to kill each other. It worked in Ireland. Thatcher killed the violence and wise economic policies allowed Ireland to take off economically and now most people have no interest in the IRA or other terrorists organizations.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You don't impose freedom, you just don't allow for thugs. That is not the same thing. Arguing this cannot be done is nonsense. We did it in Japan and Germany. Once the economy takes off most people will find that they have better things to do than spend their time trying to kill each other. It worked in Ireland. Thatcher killed the violence and wise economic policies allowed Ireland to take off economically and now most people have no interest in the IRA or other terrorists organizations.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Imposition of freedom or democracy according to the Bush doctrine was what I was arguing against to start this entire discussion. I am glad you agree, zagros.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If you are getting enjoyment out of it, then in my mind, it ceases to be altruistic. You are doing it partly for yourself.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Speaking as someone who used to try to talk jumpers down from bridges for a living (fun job, tho it's stress level sometimes leaves a lot to be desired) I got to try to keep people from doing something stupid... and I got paid pretty well for it. Plus I got a damn good feeling when I was successful at it, so that is a payoff in itself.

    Of course... there were the people who jumped anyway, but (not to sound crass) sometimes you just can't fix stupid.

    If I'm doing something I enjoy, whether it's working at my shop or playing with dangerous chemistry or climbing a bridge or participating on this board, *I* am getting enjoyment out of it. If it's "altruistic", does it really matter if someone else can benefit from it as well?
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    If someone whom I already have a relationship is going to do something stupid, then I will usually warn that person. In almost all cases, that person is paying me anyway. As for Joe Blow off the street that I have no prior relationship with, his actions do not affect me, and it would require altruism to help him.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    My time in teaching them has value. If someone is going to do something stupid that doesn't affect me, then I have no obligation to stop that person. If I give my time away to teach that person, that is altruistic. I have literally about 1000 students who pay for my time at any one time (only about 1/4 of that in any one semester, but I do have many of them come see me later). I don't have that much time for anything else besides about 30 minutes in the Gulch per day.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Absolutely correct, although admittedly the 40 acres and a mule welfare could have been seen as compensation for violation of human rights prior to that.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    And the moochers vote them into power. It is a symbiotic relationship for them and parasitic for us.
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, but the problem really began with the end of the Civil War with 40 acres and a mule welfare, and the elimination of State Militias. At that point we (the citizens) no longer had the organized means to stop the looters. That allowed the socialist to gain the foothold that they cemented by WWI.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Much of this review of DS9 In the Cards describes how the characters seem amazed at Nog trading stuff for mutual benefit. They give him grief for it, but in the end everyone is better off for it.
    http://blip.tv/sf-debris-opinionated-rev...
    "Do work for someone and they'll give you things in return? Wow, someone should write a paper on this!"
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  • Posted by zagros 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Agreed -- you can't "impose" freedom or democracy, contrary to the Bush doctrine.
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  • Posted by zagros 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The Chinese are actually more capitalist than Americans now, unfortunately. Indeed, did you know that the Chinese government actually FORBID the Hong Kong government from introducing more socialism on the grounds that the promised to preserve the political and ECONOMIC system of Hong Kong for 50 years after Britain turned over sovereignty to them? Did you know that the Chinese government has been lecturing the American government AGAINST increasing its welfare state (granted they are worried that they will not get paid back the money they lent us if we keep expanding government)? The Chinese may have a Communist Party but the Chinese themselves are vibrant capitalists.
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  • Posted by zagros 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Since WHEN does it REQUIRE altruism to stop someone from doing something stupid? Teaching people the difference between rationality and irrationality isn't altruistic. It is actually quite selfish (in the good way, of course!) since we are enhancing their virtues PROVIDED they LEARN from it and become the better for it (in such a way, we add another to the rational chorus, which is always a good thing): "Love, friendship, respect, admiration, are the emotional response of one man to the virtues of another, the spiritual payment given in exchange for the personal, selfish pleasure which one man derives from the virtues of another man's character."
    Ayn Rand, "The Objectivist Ethics"
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