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COVID-19 Is A Man-Made Virus: HIV-Discoverer Says "Could Only Have Been Created In A Lab"

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"According to Professor Luc Montagnier, winner of the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 2008 for “discovering” HIV as the cause of the AIDS epidemic together with Françoise Barré-Sinoussi, the SARS-CoV-2 is a virus that was manipulated and accidentally released from a laboratory in Wuhan, China, in the last quarter of 2019."
SOURCE URL: https://www.zerohedge.com/health/covid-19-man-made-virus-hiv-discoverer-says-could-only-have-been-created-lab


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  • Posted by Lucky 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    For more refs and good discussion-
    joannenova.com.au/2020/04/the-first-s...

    Dr Luc Montagnier says "man made", and the release by the lab in Wuhan was an accident.
    There is no serious evidence that the release was deliberate but the accident itself is a horror story, and on top of that there is the cover-up, obfuscation, falsehood.
    If after the discovery of the accident there had been honest reporting, (even if no apology) and warning, the world including China could have taken quick action, thousands of lives saved, billions of dollars.
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    • Posted by $ Maritimus 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      Hi, Lucky!
      Do you really expect a communist regime to be honest and free of paranoia about reputation risks?
      They are incapable of both. It seems obvious, after more than a century with communists in power somewhere.
      Stay free … of the virus, among other things!
      Cordially,
      Maritimus
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    • Posted by term2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      why would a lab like this even exist in the first place. For what purpose??
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      • Posted by $ Commander 2 months, 2 weeks ago
        Kaiser, Pfizser, Bayer....https://www.rankingthebrands.com/The-Brand-Ra....
        All of these businesses have labs....same as in Wuhan. Similar testing.
        A friend of mine spent almost 20 years at Eli Lilly in Indianapolis occupied as a chemist and internal regulatory compliance auditor. If you have questions I can put you in contact with her.
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        • Posted by term2 2 months, 2 weeks ago
          I just think that given the potential for accidental release and the devastating consequences, it is unwise to invest new and more powerful virus= partocularly by a communist run lab
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          • Posted by $ Commander 2 months, 2 weeks ago
            Not to be trite... what about the Chinese view of the USSA? I have a friend who immigrated from China 12 years ago. I need to ask some questions regarding the views of his peers and his regarding this incident.
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            • Posted by term2 2 months, 2 weeks ago
              Actually I do businss with a number of smaller chinese companies and personnel- by the large they are very honest and trustworthy. However, from what I understand that doesnt carry over to the CCP at all. Just as a general comment, what is anyone doing fooling around with dangerous viruses which could get out from some procedural screwup and cause massive deaths.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    A rather rare mechanism (by which HIV works) for viral infection into a cell is by fusion with the cell membrane. COVID-19 also works that way.

    The Nobel Prize winner's comments explain a lot. For instance, you may have noticed anecdotally that COVID-19 patients who take ibuprofen (Motrin) are having exacerbated symptoms. Both the COVID-19 and ibuprofen go after one of the angiotensin receptors. Thus you are further dulling the phagocytic (white blood cell) response, and consequently you can get even a higher fever than you otherwise would. If you are concerned that you are sick with COVID-19, take Tylenol.

    I would be really interested to see how COVID-19 deaths track with Motrin usage (much more common in America and Europe than in Asia), as well as how COVID-19 deaths affect people who had HIV already.

    It is also interesting that an anti-malarial drug succeeds in treating COVID-19. Resistance to malaria correlated with sickle cell anemia, so if someone didn't die from malaria, the gene that saved them resulted in a recessive that was associated with sickle cell anemia. Those who have sickle cell anemia can't get enough O2, which explains the lung problems that COVID-19 patients are having. Some tumblers just clicked into place.
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  • Posted by dnr 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    I don't accept any of this. Nature has been making viruses for billions of years. This is just a "story," i.e., fake news.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Thanks for posting. The body of evidence keeps growing that China was responsible not only for the creation of the virus in the first place, but its leak into the world. The international community should hit back hard with sanctions.
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    • Posted by term2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
      All we can really do is boycott china as an evil empire. They will never admit anything and sanctions dont work on a communist regime
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      • Posted by 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        A phased in boycott is needed. It will take time to replace the source of manufactured goods, and even then a black market will exist for the lower priced Chinese goods in some areas.
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        • Posted by term2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
          yes, there would have to be a constant reminder of how many americans were killed by the chinese ccp with this virus, and how we can never let that happen again. globalism doesnt have to include evil regimes
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      • Posted by $ blarman 2 months, 3 weeks ago
        Usually a boycott is included in sanctions.

        I would also propose that China be removed from any position on boards in the UN (yes, I would prefer to dump the UN entirely) and voiding all Chinese debt holdings of US currency.
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        • Posted by term2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
          I was thinking of a general non governmental boycott which was a grass roots kind of thing- generated by a complete disdain of chinese goods because of what their government did.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 2 months, 3 weeks ago
            While I'd love to see every American company tell their Chinese suppliers that their services are no longer desired, it isn't going to happen even if phased in if not enforced by governmental fiat. There are too many - especially big tech companies - who are in bed with the Chinese.
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            • Posted by term2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
              It would have to come from the customers, who were just fed up with the chinese ccp and viewed any dealings with the ccp as an affront to OUR national security. Perhaps the killing of 50,000 americans through manufacturing a virus that should never have been made and releasing it would be enough to do just that
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              • Posted by 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                Remember many of the people you are referring to are not accustomed to rational thinking. Like CG, they voted for Hitlery's socialist serfdom and they still buy the load of rubbish that AOC shovels as long as they get their new iphones.
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                • Posted by term2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                  Its true that rationality has been rationed out to approximately only half the people today. But, if the rtional group cut back on chinese buying, it would make a large difference
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                  • Posted by 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                    Yes, it would, if they knew what competitive products to buy instead. There would be a greater effect if heads of certain companies acted as patriots instead of as traitors.
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                    • Posted by term2 2 months, 3 weeks ago
                      I can say that we are starting to find alternate suppliers in Vietnam and Cambodia to take the place of existing Chinese suppliers. Also finding northern China suppliers that are substantially less expensive than existing Chinese silliest in the south
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    • Posted by bobsprinkle 2 months, 2 weeks ago
      I would generally agree with your suggested response. But....regardless of the huge current problems, we gotta get control of making our own medicines here in this country before we hit back too hard. I suspect China knows this and is counting on it.
      Also, does anyone else see the convenience of circumstances with regard to our upcoming election. China really want easily controlled democrats in charge here. Not four more years of Trump killing them with tariffs and trade.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 2 months, 2 weeks ago
        If our manufacturers could switch from making cars to making ventilators to meet demand, I'm pretty sure they can manufacture pharmaceuticals. I think the biggest disincentive is our high corporate tax rate. Cut that down to say 5% (from the current 30%+) and I think we could start making all kinds of US industries more economically viable.
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        • Posted by $ Commander 2 months, 2 weeks ago
          As of last year the Corp tax rate was dropped to 21%. It became more advantageous for me to declare business profit than personal income. It will take 3 to 5 years to see any real affect as manufacturing gears up to produce. I am already seeing this in the work I am quoting from long term and new businesses.
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        • Posted by 2 months, 2 weeks ago
          Knock off the individual income tax instead. It is unconstitutional. The tax on corporations is constitutional. It's the humans who matter. corporate taxes exist overseas. It's the other government meddling that reduces competition (as designed by the large companies who help make the meddling laws) and prevents small business innovation from growing small businesses. Kill the federal reserve bank whose idea of helping small business is to raise interest rates. The system has been a perverted con by banking against the people since 1913. It destroys the productive and feeds the non-productive.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 2 months, 2 weeks ago
            It was very interesting but in the history book I just finished it explained the origins of corporations in the United States - and this threw me. Originally, the only corporations were ones which existed via official charter or sanction of the Legislature (either national or State). They were state-sponsored monopolies given specific duties or tasks such as building canals, improving waterways, building turnpikes, etc. In today's world we might call them "utilities." (Also please note that there were no individual income taxes or corporate taxes during the 1800's. The only taxes were excise taxes, i.e. transaction taxes set on certain goods sold in the United States - aside from import tarriffs.)

            It wasn't until Americans in general began looking for ways to invest that didn't require a government charter, ie a corporation, that people began reinventing what a corporation actually was in the first place and the practice of corporate "charters" was retired, with "corporations" pretty much being able to be formed by anyone for any purpose whatsoever - including charities, foundations, and even scientific study groups. The main reason people formed corporations was to attract investment capital - for which a profitable business would then pay dividends.

            Unfortunately, the Sixteenth Amendment does indeed make the personal income tax - and by extension the corporate income tax - not only a legality but a reality. That it was a blatant bait-and-switch which has been used to expand government tyranny, suppress free speech, and leverage governmental authority is not disputed by me. I would point out, however, that "corporate" taxes are simply a tax on consumers cleverly redirected so that the corporations act as tax collectors and remitters. Any basic accounting class will teach you that your cost of goods (or services) always has to include the taxes or you go out of business.

            My ideal would be to eliminate both personal and corporate income taxes (and to eliminate the government welfare state which depends on these taxes). I simply proposed cutting the corporate tax rate to bring our manufacturing back because its realistic in the current environment.
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            • Posted by 2 months, 2 weeks ago
              I agree corporations don't pay taxes; we do. But at least those taxes do not violate the constitution. I'm in favor of stopping those, too.
              The 16th is only legal if it was legally agreed to by enough states in the required time. It wasn't. Sec of State Knox fraudulently said that it was. He lied. https://givemeliberty.org/features/ta...
              Make taxes voluntary for individuals and corporations. If there is good enough reason to fund something, then convince us one by one.
              Off topic, sort of. We have been taken to the cleaners for a century. We should stand up and tell the bankers to drop dead. The $2 trillion recovery funding is just another in a long series of bailouts that benefit banks. The recovery probably won't happen.
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              • Posted by $ blarman 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                Unfortunately, the Sixteenth has been ruled legal by the Supreme Court. Until it is overturned by Amendment or a new challenge to its Constitutionality, it remains the law of the land whether I like it or not. (The same can be said of Roe v Wade.)

                Regarding the climbing debt problems. I do agree that they are only going to exacerbate our existing debt problems because we aren't making any effort to dig out of the hole. And the structural underpinnings of our economy are rotten to the core and ripe for a fall. I fear that when that fall, happens, however, it's going to be very ugly.
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                • Posted by 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                  What is the supreme court ruling on income tax that you are referring to?
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                  • Posted by $ blarman 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                    This one is pretty recent and goes over the applicable precedents and clarifications: https://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPD...

                    It cites the original Brushaber ruling and how the Sixteenth Amendment overrides Brushaber, along with the Parker ruling (1984). It also issues several clarifications to lower court rulings which were either ambiguous, poorly worded, or otherwise erroneous.

                    Now, I don't see anything in here challenging the validity of ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment as per your note, so I would offer that a challenge to the Constitutionalty of the Sixteenth Amendment based on irregularities in its ratification may indeed prevail. That topic would be germane in that a Constitutional Amendment allowing for elimination of the Electoral College passed, but failed to be ratified by the necessary number of States prior to its expiration. Even Ruth Bader Ginsburg shot down the notion that it could be resurrected simply by another State's ratification nearly 50 years too late...
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                    • Posted by 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                      The 16th was before the Brushaber decision so it can't override it.
                      First, the 16th was not ratified as required. So its not law. That aside,
                      The decisions by the Supreme Court merely say that the 16th is not a new taxing power. That's all they ever said. So in reality, the power to tax "income" existed before the 16th existed. That makes the 16th irrelevant also.
                      However, the definition of "income" in law did not and does not include exchange of labor for a fee. There is no "income" in that exchange and it can't be taxed as income under the constitution with or without the 16th amendment. Everything about the Income Tax is a fraud. When asked, the government can't even produce the law that makes people liable for "income" tax. It doesn't exist.
                      But they have the guns and they will prosecute you in their "TAX Court" ignoring all your rights until you are bankrupt trying to get a fair hearing. Judges do not allow your constitutional rights or supreme court decisions to even be presented in a case regarding "income" tax. Once every so often a jury will ignore the judge's strict instructions and find against the government, but it doesn't happen often because juries are selected who don't want "tax cheats" to get away when they, the jury, had to pay. With the federal reserve act it really is the biggest scam in history and it has enslaved the American people. We will never be free until we stop doing as ordered by looters who control us with threats of violence.
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                      • Posted by $ blarman 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                        You're welcome to make your arguments in court if you choose. I'll certainly grant that its a novel legal theory you propose. Personally, I prefer the route of just passing a new Amendment which explicitly repeals the 16th Amendment. I favor a distinct separation of powers and feel like its a double-edged sword to continuously rely on SCOTUS interpretation of law that all too often has fallen against liberty.
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                        • Posted by 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                          I have already stated what happens in the kangaroo tax courts. "Making an argument" there would likely result in incarceration and seizure of my assets, not justice. The banking cartel will not allow either of our solutions to see broad application. They have everything to lose, control over the media and the con-gress, and the power to create money from nothing to control the narrative. I think there is no peaceful solution.
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            • Posted by $ Commander 2 months, 2 weeks ago
              "Sixteenth Amendment does indeed make the personal income tax - and by extension the corporate income tax - not only a legality but a reality."

              Until 1936 personal income tax was not legal. Chartered business and as extension, corporations were taxable. So, how does a natural born sovereign citizen become a corporate entity? Enrollment into The Corporation.....Social Security Act. The most heinous of this mechanism is that most have been enrolled as children. Never having the choice or materials published to learn of the obligations of this "citizenry". Pretty good trap huh?
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              • Posted by 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                No legal status to contract at that age, not that it matters in the Just-US system.
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                • Posted by $ Commander 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                  Understood. If one never uses their SSN they are passive / aggressively excluded from banking, perhaps employment and schooling. It is a corporate way of shunning non-participants. It is very anti-capitalist. Here are "tools" that can make life more equitable, and I can't have them if I don't enroll.
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                  • Posted by 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                    Yes, I know someone who did lots of research and exited the system. The feds make it nearly impossible to stay out and there are lots of hurdles and lack of conveniences we take for granted.
                    The free market would provide all those conveniences at a fair price if the banking cartel et al weren't preventing competition and maintaining their near monopolies.
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                    • Posted by $ Commander 2 months, 2 weeks ago
                      My friend Dennis filed under UCC to exempt himself from the system. Took 2-1/2 years. Feds and State threatened for another 2 years and gave up. He has been involved in mortgage underwriting for decades. When Dodd Frank was passed he became a Federalized employee again and the tax agencies were waiting.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 2 months, 3 weeks ago
    Yep.. the virus gets it's crown, Attachment prongs from the HIV virus, strung on the backbone of the Sars virus and combined with the bat virus...all for what?...to kill, to play god?, just for shits and giggles?
    Pretty sad when you ignore the body and do what you will avoiding Nature altogether.

    PS...MEMES UP
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