Did coronavirus jump to humans before the Wuhan outbreak?

Posted by freedomforall 4 years ago to Science
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"Researchers from Australia, Britain and the US sought clues about the disease's past and found it might have jumped from animal to humans long before the first detection in the central China city of Wuhan. In fact, these scientists have speculated that it could have been as long as a decade.


The study was released on March 17 in the scientific journal Nature Medicine.

It was conducted by Kristian Andersen from the Scripps Research Institute in California, Andrew Rambaut from the University of Edinburgh in Scotland, Ian Lipkin from Columbia University in New York, Edward Holmes from the University of Sydney, and Robert Garry from Tulane University in New Orleans."

Scientific study or disinformation?
SOURCE URL: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12320841


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  • Posted by term2 4 years ago
    I cant believe that this pandemic was spread to this extent by some fish being sprayed with kung flu virus in an open air market. I would think that it would take a large quantity of virus to propagate that fast. Just IMHO
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  • Posted by Dobrien 4 years ago
    Italian professor Giuseppe Remuzzi has noticed "strange pneumonias" in Italy since last November, which means the virus could have reached Europe before anyone knew about it.

    This verifies what George Webb reveals in his investigations. Of course it was slammed by most for some reason. I guess people would prefer to believe what the lying fake news states versus trying to create a timeline . https://youtu.be/o6Vsj5_-66g
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    • Posted by 4 years ago
      I noticed that verification, too, DOB.
      Gw's videos are poorly organized stream-of-consciousness presentations that display lots of dots but fail to connect them. As I said in my previous comment, "The issue is not that it shouldn't be investigated.
      The issue is that the messenger doesn't organize the message rationally and it is incomprehensible. Hopefully someone else will be able to sort it out and independently verify fact to support or refute the speculation."
      I hope this is a start in that verification.
      You may have an innate ability to sort through this stuff, DOB.
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      • Posted by Dobrien 4 years ago
        I may have an advantage as I am passionate or obsessive to learn the truth. Since I Quit the MSM , newspapers. I have never been more informed.
        Your criticism of Webb is not unique and he is trying to figure out better ways to explain or show a connecting of the dots. When I first started watching George Webb much of what he said was going over my head. FFA like anything you start to learn and understand more and more as you go. Turns out the bad actors in one scheme like Ukraine also are connected to the Trump takedown , to Syria and more....Think of a running investigation being recorded daily and you jump in mid stream we’ll it gives you a glimpse . GW has been building this info about Covid and at hissite you can start At the beginning with him.
        This event is historical , I find it fascinating and also exasperating.
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  • Posted by exceller 4 years ago
    "Covid-19 could have spread among humans for years or even decades before now, a team of scientists has discovered in an alarming new development."

    Yeah. It could have.

    On the other hand, this may be pure speculation.

    Maybe, maybe not.
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    • Posted by 4 years ago
      Agreed. It seems speculative to me, too. However, the science may be sound and the media is just using it to spread their own rubbish.
      That's why the title I posted is not the article title, and I ask a question instead of making a misleading exclamation. "Scientific study or disinformation?"
      I looked at the funding of the center behind the study and it's mostly from fed gov and some foundations. Didn't have time to go another level deeper into the gov agencies or foundations.
      The scientists themselves appear to have done good work in the past.
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  • Posted by Owlsrayne 4 years ago
    Too much propaganda from all sides. Even on Coast to Coast Am last night had on Dr. Shiva Ayyadurai being interviewed he sounded very knowledgeable about Covid19 but his POV was that big pharma is to blame for our dependence on factory produced medications which in turn suppress our immune system. I watched one of his video blogs and found he too was being deceptive. Too much eye blink, random body movements and was not organized when bring examples to his computer screen. It seems like all these experts are coming out of the woodwork and saying "I have the answer". Between the govt experts and others have the US citizens running scared. The only hypothesis which seems the most rational the virus origins came out of China under suspicious circumstances.
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  • Posted by $ Stormi 4 years ago
    Ut is unlikely the virus jumped to humans in this form, but it is likely both China and US knew of the existence. We knew 1/3 of colds were corona virus, just not this strain. China has several bio labs in the area it was first announced. Our own scientists, CDC,in 2019 were trying to play with how it would pread and how to create it. We know Soro lived in China, just whre is he now? Biden is buds with the Chinese, what does he know, if he could rmember? What is Obama and his deep state doing, thye would love to wreck our economy, which made Trump unbeatable. Even Warren Buffet flew his plane to pick up medical supplies from China, even tough multiple countries have found their supplies defective! It is as if their is a group in this cunty who would be willing to work wiht the Chinese, to bring death and poverty to millions, in exchange for power of one worl gov.
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  • Posted by CaptainKirk 4 years ago
    I have 2 reasons to DOUBT this:
    1) The tests in FL are coming out 90% negative for the virus
    2) Florida in Oct, Nov, Dec is a destination for MANY of the colder regions, with MASSIVE airports

    If you look at the R0 of this thing, it spreads pretty easily. Everyone coming here is either on a Plane or a Ship.
    We can ignore the ones in their cars (although that is a lot, they did not drive from Asia, or Even Mexico) to FL en masse.

    So, if this thing was around, in the wild, for 3 full months. BEFORE we started counting, and 3 Months AFTER. And the Growth is clearly increasing the way it is, I WOULD CONCLUDE (Correct me if I am wrong):

    A) 90% are not testing Positive means 90% has not been exposed WITHOUT any precautions. This damaged China where it grew from a "handful" of cases to MASSIVE by Jan. But a few cases made it to FL VIA Air Travel, and after 3 months hardly ANYONE has noticed?

    B) The ARDS this is associated is FLAGGED and TAGGED for exactly these reasons. Our computer tracking models would have noticed the increase ARDS... Even if they did not, once it was tied to this disease, it would be searchable. [This is my understanding based on the coding sheets used by doctors explained in a YT Interview]
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  • Posted by dancarp 4 years ago
    I have heard that viruses are not a living unit, and that the only way they can be transmitted is by injection or orally consumed. So the jumping theory doesn't make sense to me. Corona virus is a family of different strains with some more virulent than others and it is load factor that determines the degree of sickness as opposed to the strain. Too much disinfo to really know what is truth.

    I believe the propaganda is far more dangerous than the virus for the masses.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 4 years ago
    Given the location of the outbreak - China's biggest tech city and also home to its primary biowarfare lab - and the actions of that government to deny, destroy evidence, etc., I seriously doubt this was a natural virus in the first place. All the talk about it springing up in a wet market simply doesn't match the facts about the spread of the virus so quickly all over the world.

    I certainly hope that the truth comes out, but given the nature of China's government, I doubt that will happen soon - if at all.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 4 years ago
    What we may be seeing is a case where the virus has been around for a while, but only recently mutated to a more contagious form. It fits with the statement by one doctor that his team has been working on a vaccine for a decade.
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  • Posted by Lucky 4 years ago
    The proposition even if correct, does not let the current leadership of China and WHO off-the-hook for coverups with devastating effects.

    Scientific study or disinformation?
    I read the NZ.Herald page but I have not dug further, looks ok on the face of it.
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