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  • Posted by 5 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes that is correct. Those factories created the clothes for the atheletes. Could the closing ceremony uniforms be sprayed with the virus, and the infected then jet off to the hundred countries represented?
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  • Posted by exceller 5 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    This speculation is a coincidence, at best.

    Did these "whistleblowers" look into the possibility that the virus was released by the Wuhan lab at the same time or thereabout?

    There are many conspiracy theories out there.

    Providing China with a weapon to deny their culpability is not helping anything.
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  • Posted by Abaco 5 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I think it is possible that this is a product of a lab, most likely in Wuhan. Do I think a communist government would sponsor it? Sure. Do I think the American government would? Quite possibly. I don't know enough of the inside details to really form a strong position on it, though. I have seen a report on this virus that made it extremely unique if it's natural, including a report over a decade old that a virus like this was being developed in a lab - by the Chinese. Still...I need to really know before I'd put my chips on a theory. I'm an engineer. Therefore, I know a great deal about very little. Some things...I really know. I'm a hoot at your cocktail party (sarcasm)...
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  • Posted by Abaco 5 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I didn't get into it very far. But, I hope he used reason - pointing out at least that there is incentive to conflict of interest.

    I know stuff that I'm pretty sure could get me killed. I've shared it with very few and it always hits them like a sledgehammer. But, I use hard science in my knowledge. The stories of the people clearly profiting by covering stuff up is just icing on the cake.
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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 5 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    While it's possible that this was engineered, people looking at the genetics don't think so.

    Part of the speculation comes from the feeling that this is so bad it couldn't arise naturally from the region that most flues originate. That's nonsense, we've known that there was literally nothing that would prevent a Spanish Flu level pandemic from happening again.

    Yes we have better tools for testing and treating, but on the other hand we have so much better transportation. It has always been a possibility.
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  • Posted by Lucky 5 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Add, N.Italy Milan is a big manufacturing center for the Italian fashion industry, hundreds of workers from China are employed.
    That is a stronger link than one cyclist at the games who works for a 4* NATO general.
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    Posted by Lucky 5 years, 3 months ago
    I think for myself. I am often in a minority. Some views are called conspiracy theories just because they are unpopular, against the current power structure or the flavor of the month of the chattering classes.

    So,
    (1) the idea that this virus was invented by/in the US, sent to China by military games competitors, for deliberate release, I see as possible (I am quite cynical sometimes).

    Put this idea up against:
    (2) There is a virus/bacterial lab in Wuhan (fact), that staff of the lab sell live animals after tests to 'wet markets' (very likely), the animals (bats, dogs, monkeys, rats) are eaten by many Chinese people (fact) who buy them alive from 'wet markets' as in Wuhan (fact). One or two, or many, of the animals sold still had the virus and it spread to many people going back to mid 2019 (likely), then one or two infected Wuhan people spread it rapidly (likely). Authorities, China and the UN WHO, knew about an outbreak of something bad and tried to suppress the news as well as the outbreak (fact). They failed on both (fact). Direct flights from Wuhan to N.Italy continued carrying hundreds of Wuhan factory workers especially at Chinese New Year time (Year of the rat, 25-Jan-2020) (fact).
    Go on from there, all very plausible or actual fact.

    My money is on (2) a million to one.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Very little surprises me about the puppeteers, DOB. I have understood the concepts you outline for decades, and they are worth repeating.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 5 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The issue is not that it shouldn't be investigated.
    The issue is that the messenger doesn't organize the message rationally and it is incomprehensible. Hopefully someone else will be able to sort it out and independently verify fact to support or refute the speculation.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 5 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was responding to exceller. I agree with you and the information we have found. At the least, we have an answer as to how All 5 types of CV ended up here in the USA. We can also see that, perhaps a number of labs have looked at, if not further manipulated the virus but I think it's pretty clear that the initial outbreak came out of china...at the very least, for the virus showing up in Italy and Iran...the rest seems to be attributed to the nature of human travels around the world and I am sure, some of that was "On Purpose".
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  • Posted by 5 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    A person(s) value:
    1. vote
    2. monetary value (tax contribution)
    3.
    Why is 'free thought' ridiculed, challenged, and threatened when a person is opposed to the 'mainstream-narrative'?
    [2] remains fixed (degree allowable by 'economic recession/expansion')
    [1] remains a variable
    [1] dependent on a 'controlled' system of information dissemination
    What happens when 90% of the media is controlled/owned by (6) corporations?
    What happens when those same corporations are operated and controlled by a political ideology?
    What happens when the news is no longer free from bias?
    What happens when the news is no longer reliable and independent?
    What happens when the news is no longer trustworthy?
    What happens when the news simply becomes an extension/arm of a political party?
    Fact becomes fiction?
    Fiction becomes fact?
    When does news become propaganda?
    Identity creation?
    How does the average person, who is under constant financial stress (by design), find time to research and discern fact v fiction?
    Majority of people more prone to believe someone in power sitting behind a big brand ‘news’ name?
    Do people [human psyche] tend to follow the ‘majority/mainstream viewpoint’ in fear of being isolated and/or shunned?
    ‘Mainstream’ is used for a reason [dominate trend in opinion].
    [If majority of people believe ‘x’ then ‘x’ must be validated / true]
    Why do ‘mainstream’ media heads, within different orgs, always use the same keywords and/or catch phrases?
    Coordinated? By who? Outside entity providing instructions?
    Do they count on the fact that people [human psyche] are more prone to believe something if heard over-and-over again by different ‘trusted’ sources?
    Do ‘echo chamber’ tactics provide validation / credibility to the topic/point being discussed?
    Threat to intellectual freedom?
    Would control over[of] these institutions/organizations allow for the mass control of a populations viewpoint re: a desired topic?
    Read again – digest.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh I get it to many names and connections to Wuhan are not worth looking into .Your right he should have been following these people with a camera and cought them in the act otherwise , It hurts the stupid Chinese people eating foul Bats
    Narrative and from that it just exploded worldwide. Hmm BTW any Question unless you know the answer begins with speculation. Kind of like “Are vaccines causing a lot of Autism in today’s children”? Or how bout this one. “Did Oswald act alone” ?
    Pure speculation right.
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  • Posted by 5 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Nobody is giving Chinese government a pass , I agree The evil knows no borders. Funny how investigating who was around and what was happening is attacked. The fact remains that there was a large contingent of atheletes at Wuhan just before Covid release. One hundred thousand people flew out after the closing ceremonies to 100 countries. The first case was a cyclist from Milan Who happened to be a courier to a 4* NATO General. Milan is the current epicenter. A brother who Oh yes married to Kolomoisky’s daughter. The Same Ukrainian Kolomoisky that had the phony black ledger on Paul Manafort.. you would think that maybe that’s worth looking into? Or the Two Drs husband and wife who were caught after 23 vials of from the Canadian facility went missing.
    Ozcams Razor or something like that.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 5 years, 3 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Who's to say that the chinese scientist were in on this...deep state connections?...black hats are black hats no matter where they come from or whom the collude with.
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  • Posted by Abaco 5 years, 3 months ago
    I got about 12 minutes in. This is typical of these conspiracy theorists....just rambling on and on naming names and speculating. But, it's all sizzle and no steak. OK...he "goes places" and knows the names of some of the workers there. That's nice.
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  • Posted by exceller 5 years, 3 months ago
    OK, so the Chinese are white and innocent as lilies. I see. They have nothing to do with COVID-19.

    Blows the mind how far imagination reaches...

    Did these erstwhile gentlemen consider that the only top secret biowarfare lab on land is in Wuhan, China? All the others are offshore.

    The Chines are notorious regarding poor containment practices. I think the likelihood of the lab releasing the virus carries more water than some phantasy about 300 athletes who did not perform well.

    The Chinese gov is hunting for fake info like this. They already fished out some Facebook notes of a woman in Seattle who claimed the virus was around before China had it. She could not prove it, it was all speculation, but it suited the purpose of the Chinese. I bet this video will appear soon on the official Chinese party website, proving that it was the US who initiated it.
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