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Real Life Hank Rangar?

Posted by khalling 9 years, 8 months ago to Technology
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this is longish, just take a listen to the first 5 minutes. If you have not yet read "Pendulum of Justice," this is exactly the sort of high tech project Hank Rangar would have taken on in his lab, Made-By-Man. Please note the owner of Clear View is heavily relying on his patents to protect him against the "big boys." Looks pretty cool
SOURCE URL: http://www.c-span.org/video/?320833-1/communicators-ces-hill


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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 8 months ago
    this first 3 minutes -- mr. sound -- demonstrates
    how crucial patents are for a small business. he
    needs a ragnar danneskjold to protect his work
    against unfair competition. -- j

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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 8 months ago
    A mind-blowing product!
    As to patents, when I was in the publishing biz, I found the copyright dep't (which is part of the patent office) to be indifferent to the point of disregard. Hopefully, he'll get his patents through in a timely manner. However, he might find it difficult once he goes into production to get his patents honored in Asian markets. To try to enforce them will cost a pot full of money and no certainty even if he wins.
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 8 months ago
      The good news for patents now is that once granted protection is offered from the date of submittal.
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      • Posted by 9 years, 8 months ago
        until recently, it was first to invent. even if you never filed and you were able to prove inventorship, you were acknowledged. Recently that has changed. now it is firt to file the application. cronies at work including those hailed as entrepreneurs like Jobs. He worked hard to get laws changed so he did not have to deal with the guy inventing in his garage. ironic
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        • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 8 months ago
          I kind of prefer the first to file, because it inspires the original purpose of patents, which is to offer a benefit (monopoly) in exchange for technology advancement. The technology advancement doesn't happen if the invention is not disclosed.

          BTW the new laws still offer public protection if the idea was sold. In other words, if you sell it you (and everyone) are protected from monopoly from another first to file. Therefore, first to invent plays a game of chicken, but it is their game to play.
          Do you really think it was better before? Proof of first invention is very messy. Proof of filing or selling is relatively straightforward (we'll see how the lawyers screw this up), and the reason for the monopoly is only supported via a sale.
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          • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 8 months ago
            Actual first to file defeats the purpose of the patent system. The Constitution says to protect the rights of inventors. The first person to file is not the inventor. Beside it favors large corporations, which was the whole reason it was passed. It is a part of the cronying of our patent system.
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            • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 8 months ago
              Not sure I understand this. I am now an executive and work for a ~large corporation, but I also am the inventor of about 30 patents, and still going. While I don't make a fortune from the successful ones, neither I did not take any risk, and feel well-compensated.
              I'm sure other corporate employees feel under-compensated, and some probably are, but if they are, just quit and/or pursue the patent on ones own. Some of my buddies have done this, and it worked fine for them.
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              • Posted by 9 years, 8 months ago
                Thoritsu, being an inventor/employee is not relevant to first-to-file. Even in first to file, you are an inventor filing an application and assigning your rights to the corporation. Only people can be inventors, not corporation. The question is who is(are) the TRUE inventors? the one who gets to the patent office first? or the one who actually created the invention first?
                Your points are interesting about corporate employee/inventors.
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                • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 8 months ago
                  Well clearly the one that invents it first. However, is the foot race really an issue? Just file a provisional. It takes a few hours and one has established protection assuming they file a complete patent within a year. This is not really all that different than the past practice of mailing oneself a disclosure and technical data to establish a date of priority through the postmark.

                  I'm not sure I understand your concern:
                  Employee invention vs corporate assignment
                  America Invents 2013 changes (first to file)
                  Both?
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 8 months ago
    40+ some patents on one product! That's amazing. I wonder how many are engineering patents and how many are use or application patents?
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    • Posted by dbhalling 9 years, 8 months ago
      THere are utility patents and design patents. Utility patents are what you normally think of and cover how the invention works (its utility). Design patents cover the artistic look of a manufactured item. In the interview he mentions both, but does not say how many of which type.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 8 months ago
      he had 14 allowed. the rest were applications, but many of them were design patents. Those are very limited and not about the tech, but the look. it is a complex technology by his brief description, you can look them up.
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      • Posted by Zenphamy 9 years, 8 months ago
        It is a terrifically complex technology. The phase shifting and matching and speeds required to achieve any of what was demonstrated is amazingly difficult with piezo-electrics. I'd love to dig into one in the lab.
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        • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 8 months ago
          what's the frequency range of a piezo crystal?
          across this range, a pair of co-phased compression
          crystals should be able to produce mono....now,
          stereo is something else! 2 speakers required. -- j

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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 8 months ago
            Piezoelectrics displace a specific distance based on voltage applied to them by a change in the crystal structure. This is reversible as well, thus the igniter in your gas grill. There are two main types 1) ceramics, which have a very small displacement, but high force, and 2) films that have larger displacement, but lower force (PVDF is such a film). I suspect ceramics are used here.
            Electrostatic speakers have been available for a long time, and have the benefit of very low mass drivers, which makes for excellent fidelity. There remains a following for them.
            These are different, using the piezoelectrics as the force into the driver, which is the plate of glass. The frequency response should be excellent. Like other electrostatics, the limitation of these is probably the low frequency range, where moving significant volume of air is required to produce high sound pressure levels. That is why bass speakers are large. This limitation doesn't come from the piezeoelectrics frequency bandwidth, but stroke.

            Very cool stuff. This work combining signal processing with mechanics (in this case audio) is emerging as the next set of breakthroughs. Previously the signal processing improved by computer technology and the mechanics did only in design not application. By understanding both at one time, these guys and others are doing new, very interesting things. Beam forming in higher end radar and sonar is similar. This is where the emerging "sound bars" come from. Just love this stuff. Excellent, and love the patent note!

            If you like speakers and such, check out spark gap / plasma speakers. They have zero mass drivers, which produce sound in air directly via a shock wave:
            www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJpn2PzhvP4
            www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRNM6oopY_k
            excelphysics.com/products/arc-plasma-speaker-kit
            These were commercialized in the 50s or 60s, but they produce ozone and are inefficient. Once conventional drivers got frequency response beyond our hearing range, that was the end of them.
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            • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 8 months ago
              very fine, Thoritsu, and Thank You! I have been a
              sound and music freak since childhood, and have a
              houseful of speakers, though no plasmas yet.......
              the latest additions are yamaha ns1000s with their
              Be domes; very interesting. sound great!

              my favorites (have 2 pair) are the leak 3090s
              with wharfedale ribbon tweeters and styrofoam-
              sandwich 8s and 15s. best piano speakers I've
              ever heard. but then, there are the steinway
              speaker sets for $130,000 which I'd like to hear.

              very interesting subject -- people don't know that
              their speakers are the controlling factor in sound
              reproduction;;; if the speaker can't make the sound,
              nothing pushing it can make up for it. -- j

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              • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 8 months ago
                Couldn't agree more. Speakers are the dominant element. Although, I do like the room compensation in the Pioneer VSX series. It really helps in our "man cave".

                Been messing around building speakers for a few years. Used to really like the sound of horns, and had a pair of Klipschorns in college (obtained very unusually). Most recently experimenting with full-range bass reproduction, although there is nothing like a clean tweeter to make the speakers sound real. I want to try a planar or other array next to represent a large driver area with a bunch of small speakers.
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                • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 8 months ago
                  as a dj, I worked with a pair of peavey sp-4s, with
                  a set of supertweeters I'd put on top of them. david
                  hafler's kilowatt amp, a mackie 14-channel mixer
                  and a dual denon cd + a 480 nakamichi cassette
                  player (amazing quality reproduction) ... and 15,000
                  songs ... and you can rock the room. sound test
                  with meco's star wars mix, from the lp. good.

                  but at home, it's the leaks, the yamahas, a pair of
                  spendors, and a pair of boston acoustics for rear
                  ambience -- when I hang them from the ceiling
                  as planned.

                  such fun. make it sound like they're *right there*! -- j

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  • Posted by UncommonSense 9 years, 8 months ago
    Very cool. Deep. We need more of these people...millions more. Thanks.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 8 months ago
      HEY! why no weighing in on Ferguson from you? was hoping for some local viewpoint.
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      • Posted by UncommonSense 9 years, 8 months ago
        Hey back! Ah yes, the Ferguson fiasco. There was so much misinformation out there that I avoided getting into any arguments. Regarding the madness, I am exactly opposite in location of where they are at, so, all around me, Ferguson is faar away. Nobody was really 'caught up' in the MSM circus.

        I was highly leery of the whole situation to begin with. It was another example of a "crisis" to exploit & pass BS laws/ordinances that ordinarily would never get past those pesky & annoying voters. When the news broke out that the communists & other Alinsky-eque "organizers" were importing fellow agitators to get the emotions of the MSM and other folks around the nations on high, I wasn't surprised.

        Anyways, I've been gone for a while, the past two weeks being super busy with back to school activities & other little domestic-type inconveniences and annoyances. Missed you & the others!
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        • Posted by $ Mimi 9 years, 8 months ago

          Don’t you think it’s a bit puzzling that the justice department is going to look at the militarizing of the police departments across the country after this administration has armed federal departments like the DOE? While I don’t like to see a militarized local group of law enforcers, I don’t want the government to confiscate anymore weapons to do what they please with either. They should clean house on the federal level first to show they understand the concern.
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          • Posted by UncommonSense 9 years, 8 months ago
            I agree. It's actually quite amusing to hear about the JD taking a look. It's as if a guy from the Mob announced he is going to investigate why fellow members of the Mob are rigging the casino for the Mob to rake in the profits from the people. Think he'll see anything wrong here? Duh. Common sense folks... as if the JD is going to actually call out one of their own. It couldn't be more absurd.
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          • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 8 months ago
            don't you suppose that the feds are annoyed by
            the competition? they would rather control us, with
            no state- and local-level intervention, if they could
            arrange it -- IMHO. -- j

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            • Posted by UncommonSense 9 years, 8 months ago
              Oh, I believe they are arranging it. In about another 15-20 years (a generation). Why do you think the Fed is so dedicated to seeing kommon kore being implemented despite (italics there) the revolt by parents & teachers.

              The Gov't damn it, needs those drones! With a generation of youngsters essentially brain-dead, the rest of those who resist will be easily pickings for the guhberment troops. For more information, read near the end of Atlas Shrugged about the troopers Hank & John Galt encounter ~ that's what we're facing. But I'm sure you already have. :)
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              • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 8 months ago
                well, I was thinking of the arms and vehicular
                competition -- I can just see homeland security
                faced off against local and state "troops" in Texas,
                over states' rights issues. not a pretty sight.

                and, since our kids are being turned into "drones"
                in this hive, the fight against kommon kore is
                even more crucial. I have no kids, but fight for
                others' kids every day. -- j

                p.s. thanks for the reminder about Hank & John;;
                I'll enjoy revisiting that!

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