Existential Threats To Common Sense

Posted by straightlinelogic 10 years, 8 months ago to Government
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The military lesson is straightforward: if two of your enemies are duking it out, let them. Does that lesson have any relevance today? The Sunni and Shi’a sects have been duking it out across the Middle East for centuries. Neither one likes the US; extremists from both have threatened to annihilate us. Why then, should the US intervene on either side when they make war against each other? War is always terrible and innocents are killed, wounded, and displaced, but isn’t it better that Sunnis and Shi’a kill each other rather than Americans? You don’t see China or Russia taking sides.


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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Oh, dear. I knew it was coming to this. What I'm saying is that you appear to be an isolationist--this is happening on the other side of the world, involves enemies of ours, and therefore we should stay out of it. I'm saying the world is not flat, economics is not confined to national borders any longer, and neither are nuclear explosions. Got it?
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Well, it's my contribution to the study of logic. It is basically making the assumption that you know the consequence that is going to happen. Pretty much just what it says.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    The one thing I've learned from the past millennia is that wars and bankruptcy have brought down more governments than any other causes, and with our government $17 trillion in the hole and with another $125 trillion in unfunded liabilities, history may very well repeat itself here.
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    In the word's of the famous--well, I'm not sure what he's famous for--Thomas Friedman, the world is not flact, straightline.
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    When both sides are immoral, then we are almost forced to intervene for our (and perhaps the world's) good. This is the 21st century, and I am hoping we have learned something from the past millenia.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Switzerland has not been attacked because of their strict policy of neutrality and because geographically, Switzerland is a fortress exceeded only by the US (we have Swiss-scale mountains, but unlike the Swiss, we're also protected by two rather large moats). The Swiss also take the duty of self-defense very seriously; invading Switzerland would be a fool's errand. We could learn something from them. Essentially, I'm advocating George Washington's foreign policy. If you consider 9/11 an attack, a pretty good argument can be made that it was blowback for several decades of intervention in the Middle East.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I was responding to Lucky's post, about how "hard it is to resist the rescue of victims..." Like I said, the Swiss have resisted for centuries, so it can be done, and it should be done, here in the US. Since World War II, we've intervened in, among others, Korea, Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq, and what do have to show for it?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Rand would certainly understand a foreign policy based on US self-interest. How has it been, and how would it be in the future, in our interest to intervene on either side of the never ending Shi'a-Sunni conflict? So far we've spent over $2 trillion and thousands of lives, and what do we have to show for it? I say that since both sides consider themselves to be our enemies, it is in our own rational interest to let them kill each other. When both sides are immoral, it is not moral to intervene on either side.
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I meant: And the fact that the Swiss have resisted being dragged into other nations' wars for centuries would be an argument for what?
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Bank secrecy worked (I use the past tense) both ways. The Swiss protected a lot of legitimate fortunes from despots. They sheltered European and Russian money from Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, and Mussolini.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    and Switzerland has been quite happy to protect blood money from despots. moral relativism is immoral.
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  • Posted by khalling 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    "PLAYBOY: What about force in foreign policy? You have said that any free nation had the right to invade Nazi Germany during World War II . . .RAND: Certainly.PLAYBOY: . . . And that any free nation today has the moral right—though not the duty—to invade Soviet Russia, Cuba, or any other “slave pen.” Correct?RAND: Correct. A dictatorship—a country that violates the rights of its own citizens—is an outlaw and can claim no rights.PLAYBOY: Would you actively advocate that the United States invade Cuba or the Soviet Union?RAND: Not at present. I don’t think it’s necessary. I would advocate that which the Soviet Union fears above all else: economic boycott, I would advocate a blockade of Cuba and an economic boycott of Soviet Russia; and you would see both of those regimes collapse without the loss of a single American life."

    We no longer hold the wealth power or the might power
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 10 years, 8 months ago
    I am good with this tactic so long as our intelligence agencies keep a close eye on them. If they attempt any aggression towards us then we should annihilate them. This piece meal, half measure, containment strategy of late has only made us look weak. If they initiate an act of war then we should exterminate the vermin and all of those that aid and abet. The lessons of WWII should not be lost. The "governments" where the tyrants and terrorists of today reside should be granted no more quarter than the active actors they aid and abet with their inaction. War is messy and the consequences should be known. For too long we have been played for the paper tiger.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaSXTk4KL...
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    I believe you are questioning whether we should re-engage in Iraq.
    Can you not see, that is, use your powers of foresight?
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Tactics that are only useful in the short term. I need to remind myself to slow my thinking down!
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    You are committing the fallacy I call "Assuming the Consequence?"
    Besides engaging in short term tactics.
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  • Posted by 10 years, 8 months ago in reply to this comment.
    Yes, but until that eventuality, which may well be far in the future, why not let them weaken each other, instead of picking a side?
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  • Posted by CarolSeer2014 10 years, 8 months ago
    Only we can never know when they will stop killing each other and unite against us.
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