Active Shooter Scenario
Posted by CrustyOldGeezer 4 years, 8 months ago to Politics
The scenario:
You are in a shopping area.
You are NOT close to an exit or solid barrier.
You hear the sound of a round being chambered behind you.
As you turn to see the threat, you notice an Armed Citizen Already drawing a handgun to stop the potential shooter..
You also notice someone pulling out a cellphone.
Time Freezes:
Do you;
Scream at the Armed Citizen to put his gun away and wait for the police?
Or do you throw out a quick Prayer the ARMED Citizen does not miss?
Keep in mind, the Armed Citizen can have a round off BEFORE the other person can press 911.
You are in a shopping area.
You are NOT close to an exit or solid barrier.
You hear the sound of a round being chambered behind you.
As you turn to see the threat, you notice an Armed Citizen Already drawing a handgun to stop the potential shooter..
You also notice someone pulling out a cellphone.
Time Freezes:
Do you;
Scream at the Armed Citizen to put his gun away and wait for the police?
Or do you throw out a quick Prayer the ARMED Citizen does not miss?
Keep in mind, the Armed Citizen can have a round off BEFORE the other person can press 911.
Not a bad idea if armed even in a so-called "gun free zone." Something me dino violates all the time if there is not a metal detector.
- Yes, waiting is foolish.
- Hit the floor, and hope the armed guy (unfortunately not you) shoots the cowardly nutter dead, so the taxpayers only cover an autopsy, there is only one story, and not a prolonged irrelevant sobbing review of his sordid past.
Dead is great. Before the shooting best, during ok, after? take what you can get.
- control the firearm direction,
- attempt to render the firearm harmless (take away, discharge rounds in safe-ish direction,
- disable it (drop magazine)),
- subdue the shooter (strike throat, head butt face, take to floor, break arm - action depends on relative positions).
Hopefully the ARMED CITIZEN comes over to help, and puts them down in the middle of this mess.
"Or do you throw out a quick Prayer the ARMED Citizen does not miss?"
I don't pray. A prayer and about $4.00 will actually get me something at Starbux. Also, I consider groveling in front of people OR an imaginary being to be undignified.
Of all the answers, Thoritsu's makes the best sense to me. Also, it's rare any more that I go into crowded areas without my husband. He's always armed as long as it's legal for him to be, and yes, I rely upon him to protect me. If he's not with me, then I stay out of places I consider to be risky (busy shopping centers at back-to-school or Christmas time, or even Sunday evenings) and I shop at 7 am. Most mass shooters, burglars, and other miscreants are far too lazy to be up doing their misdeeds at 7 in the morning.
Wouldn't be the first time I missed the mark....and I'm sure not the last.
Separately from shooters, it seems to me the world has become a place of a lot more "observers" that actors, and this has emboldened the nutter and criminals. The more of us that act when something is wrong, the healthier our society will be. Presently our immune system is just the police (antibiotics) and a handful of white blood cells.
City life provided no opportunities for the parents to take their children our shooting in the lower 40.
The job of "safety' was turned over to the police.
In the mid 60's a young woman was raped repeatedly, then murdered.
A very large number of people heard her cries and screams, yet none called the police, or made an effort to save her.
i have no doubts that, during those hours before her murder, law enforcement passed within hearing.
THAT encouraged the criminal element, and they haven't been held in check since.
Police now view the job as filling out paperwork AFTER the fact.
IF a person is silly enough to want to PROVIDE THEIR OWN PROTECTION they face endless obstacles from government to ARM THEMSELVES.
IF they do succeed and actually USE THEIR WEAPON, there will be endless criminal charges for shooting a democrat voter.
A PROACTIVE DEFENSE by OFFENSIVE MEANS
The Best defense is ALWAYS a Strong Offense
WHY, when they heard him stop to reload, didn't they attack him?
They should have started throwing textbooks and everything else they had handy to keep him off balance.
In a mall, shopping bags or anything else to distract him so someone can close and engage the shooters.
Like Will Smith, "Those books are WAY too advanced for that little girl,..."
WHY would you expect an ARMED CITIZEN to carry a long gun while shopping?
You don't posses the intellect necessary
He can either follow the script or he will be replaced in the rewrite.
That is straightforward enough.
It makes an assumption that the citizen is drawing to stop the shooter. Making that assumption could be fatal.
It is clearly spelled out that the Armed Citizen intends to STOP the shooter.
Had the sentence been that "the Armed Citizen already drawing a handgun" without specifying his intention, you'd have a point.
That was not the case.
On the other hand, if I clearly can tell the "armed citizen" is preparing to take out not a "potential shooter" but one clearly blasting away at innocents, "armed citizen" and I will be sharing the same target.
When it comes to justifiable homicide, identifying the correct target and making sure there is no collateral damage should you miss the said target is extremely important. What is really scary is the possibility of some innocent jumping out of a blind spot between you and the target just as you pull the trigger.
Recently read of an off-duty fireman who pulled a concealed pistol to make a "citizen's arrest" until police arrive of some dopey dude who entered a Walmart with an AR-15 wearing body armor shortly after a massacre at a Walmart.
If that fireman had just gunned that dopey dude down, his fate may have been placed in the hands of a grand jury.
Me dino is getting too old for such a high level of long term wait and see suspense.
My monthly range practice is too infrequent and not enough.
They knew everything there was to know about the handling, care, and Usage of the weapons.
In this country, when the farmers moved into the cities, they NEED TO BE
AWARE of all the possible dangers was relaxed and the 'police' were
hired to KEEP THE STREETS SAFE.
Now the worst of all predators roam the streets 24/7/365 and the People
have been DISARMED and do not have a clue on being THEIR OWN FIRST RESPONDER!
Even if the nearest cop is 9 seconds away, he is ALREADY 30 SECONDS TOO LATE!
Whether the government likes it or not, EACH INDIVIDUAL is 100% responsible for their own SELF DEFENSE and the defense of his Family, Neighborhood,
Community and State!
No level of government, nor any branch of government, has any power or
authority to alter the RIGHT TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS, and that includes
the supreme court.
When the supreme court hears a weapons related case, it is CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED to whether or not the law in question 'INFRINGES" UPON THE rights of the people!
They do not have the luxury of considering if the law is 'common sense' because "liberal common sense" is an impossibility!
At this point in time, the ONLY workable solution is:
MANDATORY FIREARMS EDUCATION K-12.
Mandatory because even gun haters NEED TO KNOW how to handle a firearm the may find, or NEED TO USE.
EVERY CHILD should know how to safely handle any firearm in case they find a
loaded handgun in a toy bin at their local Target store.
K- because it seems that some careless parents failed to teach their own
children how to NOT KILL THEMSELVES with firearms left out, or
accessible.
1-5, hands on experience with safe handling and usage, including live fire
with daisy lever action BB-guns under close supervision.
I was shooting at 5 and 6, with my own rifle at 8. 70+ and still haven't
managed to harm any person with a firearm, despite the urge to put some
morons out of my misery.
Competitive shooting classes, clubs and Teams as a sporting event.
The training at all levels can begin immediately because there are a few
million fully trained Veterans that know more about firearms safety than
99% of the drivers ed teacher know about starting the car.
The biggest benefit is the necessary teaching of the WHY the 2nd Amendment even exists.
The Military gets fully trained Marksmen, the Law Enforcement has fully
trained recruits, as well as an Armed and Ready Militia should the need
arise.
A very large percentage of People would take on the responsibility of their own Self Defense.
The numbers of People on the streets at any given time that may, or may not
be carrying would be a daunting prospect for the criminal element.
And Lastly, the Voters would stop electing gun control nuts because they
WILL KNOW THE TRUTH and WHY those politicians want the People HELPLESS
BEFORE A RUTHLESS DICTATOR OF THE POLITICIANS CHOOSING.
And it WOULD "Make the country safer".
Criminals do well when their victims have no defense.
THAT changes when the odds are that either the VICTIM or someone nearby, WILL BE ARMED.
They RELY ON FEAR as their backup weapon.
When the fear belongs to them, they quit and go home.
second - take appropriate stance/position and be ready for anything.
third - think if there's one shooter, there's probably two (always think 1=2; 2=3, and its never firecrackers)
Just anything that will keep him ducking while others close by can take him down, take his weapons and KILL THE BASTARD
NO TRIAL, no funeral, no cremation
Flight at least miles offshore and dropped off fore shark food.
No name released, not even race....
Just the political positions held to show that, ONE MORE TIME, it was a LIBERAL with a gun
the should have been one hundred miles.