whoa Jan, you're fierce!
I was watching a documentary where WWII generals said there had never been a foe the US had faced where soldiers would continue to fight rather than be captured. It was terrifying.
However, A Japanese Admiral said we will never win the US Mainland. There is a gun behind every blade of grass.

I do not want unconditional backup of anyone. Such commitments get individuals and other entities such as nations into trouble.

Fact is I am not so sure I want to be in the business of backing anyone.

* We backed the Taliban, look where it went.
* We backed the Mexican government in the "war on drugs" now most the guys we trained are in the Mexican cartels running the drugs.
* We backed, but then pulled out before the job was done, reworking the Irac government. Isis has come out of that little (sarcasm about size) mess.

Lets stop training others to do our job and either stay out of it or do it ourselves so that we do not train more future enemies with our combat expertise.

ISIS or BATF at Waco?

Its spreading across the middle east, in Russia and flooding into the EU from both of these. The idea that one can and should use force to get what they want.

We seem to have some unreasonable reservation to retaliation with force to those that initiate it. I do not understand that at all.

Hugging someone that openly wants to kill you does not much any sense does it?

I just wanted to say one thing: Dead is dead.

It is very important that the journalist was killed; not important at all that he was decapitated. Decapitation is just an attempt to intimidate your foe so that he will be afraid to cross you. (If I had to fight a group of people, I would try to take out the first one in as spectacular a manner as possible - decapitation does come to mind - then, I might not have to fight any of the others...)

The problem with this strategy is that there is a subset of humanity (genetic drift at work) that reacts with anger rather than submission. Pearl Harbor, anyone?

Jan

Their actions are so honorable that they must hide their faces... The people of these nations so cowed that they permit these atrocities, while people here riot, assault and loot at the slightest perception of a wrongful killing by a police officer... The world has gone mad!

They will only learn if they keep antagonizing us. I just wonder what it will take to get our leadership to respond. If only ISIS could make it sound racial, then we might actually react. It's the only thing that seems to get our current governments attention.

There is no doubt what ISIS is doing, the only question is what we are doing, nothing.

This, indeed, is the root of Islam, which is a designer religion created by Mohammed to unify his forces, subjugate the conquered, and aggrandize his narcissistic megalomaniac self. It's root is ancient Arabic moon-god worship and all the ritual that goes with it, including groveling to the meteorite in Mecca. Mohammed's tribe worshiped the moon-god "Allah" and started out by looting neighboring tribes and forcing them to worship the same pagan god. Military victories reinforced the superstitious concept that the winner's god must be the superior god so "Allah" got off to a good start. The successful looting, slaughtering, and enslaving perpetrated by the followers of Mohammed across Northern Africa and the Middle East only added to the lie that there must be some "truth" to this pagan Islam business. Mohammed was obviously no dummy because he was smart enough to know he wouldn't get away with declaring himself god-on-earth in the manner of a Pharaoh or Caesar at that time. Therefore, chief-and-final-prophet would work just fine. Definitely a well thought out slick move to manipulate the superstitious masses. Mohammad's whole koran BS is nothing more than a propaganda piece to expand political power over the gullible and strike cowering fear or death onto the not so gullible. It was written to hold onto the moon-god worshipers, who were the core of his army at the time, and yet offer an avenue to convert other religions by making it look like Allah and name-your-god were the same entity. Again, slick, very slick!

Add to that the religious permission to perpetrate any manner of heinous crime or act, as long as it is in the name of the pagan moon god, and you have a nasty uncivilized force to deal with. One of the greatest tragedies of man's history is the fact that Islam didn't die with Mohammed. His immediate followers grew too powerful and rich to let it go, so we suffer with it to this day. Seventh century Arabian tribal mind set with 21st century weapons. Bad mix. BUT, THIS IS WHAT ISLAM IS!

Good juxtaposition. Very informative. Thanks!

Good. Now if only our government would arm them and back them unconditionally!

He has to be silent, since it would have a negative effect on the next election to show we went backwards in Iraq and Afghanistan. We probably shouldn't have gone to Iraq, but once there, we have to square things away.

From about 1000AD to about the 18th century, if you wanted religious freedom, a liberal profitable lifestyle (including women), and reasonable and sanitary conditions you headed for one of the Muslim realms...or towards the 'Low Countries'. At that time, it was the Christians who were confining their women, torturing people indiscriminately (No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!) and perpetuating a violent way of life. The Muslims enforced religious freedom and commercial enterprise. Now the shoe is on the other foot and it is the Western way of life that promotes freedom and the Muslim way of life that is terrified of it.

The Inquisition was not 'the Christian religion' any more than this is 'the Muslim religion'. Either religion is capable of being interpreted benignly or misanthropically; this is the response of a backward culture lashing out blindly at 'change'...just as Europe did between the Crusades and the Enlightenment. If there were not a religious pretext, there would be a political one (ie look at what Communism did).

Jan

"We" are fighting back against them, using their religion. There are Kurdish units of women who are taking the field against ISIS.

You see...among Sunnis, if you are killed in battle by a woman, do can not go to heaven. So these women are sending their foes 'straight to hell'.

Jan

The man if he is one is brain dead. Comprehension of what is happening in the world does not penetrate. what I find interesting is that everybody knows this about him to include those closest to him and nobody would ever consider sitting him down and telling him because they know that nothing they can say will penetrate. we have had this situation since he took office and nothing will be changing for the rest of his time in office. his character deficiency is so sever that he could not understand what he has done nor does he care.

The journalists should all return home and just make up the news from their desks in New York or Los Angeles. About 75% of it is done that way already!

I'm probably a bad libertarian for saying this but I'll chalk it up to that good ol' standby "nobody's perfect." A well-placed neutron bomb would do wonders to settle those Muslims down.

It has happened in London, that is close enough for me. And yes the Cartels do it too, it is the same brand of evil.

I Agree. People seem to have the memories of goldfish. Does anybody remember they guy walking down the street in London who got hacked to death by the Islamofascists? (Thanks Susanne for suggesting the word) That should be enough to declare war right there, but the PC crowd tries to call that racism. Somehow it's not racist to execute a random guy walking down the street with a machete because he doesn't have the same religion? That is not just racist that is, as you say, evil.

As you and I realize, the Book of Revelation is about a world-wide caliphate.
The only way to fight and win is to use their religion against them.
I would sound the call to prayer just before I dropped whatever I could to annihilate them. Then contract with Hormel for cargo planes full of pigs blood to baptize their graves with.

Not to mix topic lines, but if any group were in need of a Prime Directive violation, this one would have been it.

Exactly, even in the high middle ages, the west had trials and beheading was reserved for the worst crimes, like treason. Yes of course, some of the trials were tainted and innocent people ended up getting executed, but the CONCEPT and LEGALITY of it was there. Stuff like this wasn't even tolerated in the middle ages, it would cause a revolt, or crusade.

In recent times, this has been going on for decades in the Middle East. From a bigger picture, the Middle East has been routinely killing for over 6,000 years - the last 800 in the name of some belief or God vs. just to steal grain (wealth) or property.

There is a low (no) value of life culture pervasive throughout the Middle East, full of self-rightousness usually, that is very slow to educate.
At this point the culture is completely alien to the rest of the world - and we should abandon any expectations to change it from the outside.

Islamofascist.. that is a good word. I was saying Jihadist but I think that is a more apt description.