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The Dayton shooter........

Posted by  $  Dobrien 2 months, 1 week ago to News
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Well well the kettle is calling the pot black.

This all leaves very little question about who Betts really was. He was absolutely a far leftist. He was not a white supremacist and hated religious people. He repeated antifa, as well as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez talking points on his social media. He was a global warming enthusiast and an avowed socialist. Every piece of evidence we have points to his radicalization coming via the left, not the right.
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  • Posted by CrustyOldGeezer 2 months, 1 week ago
    WHY do people not learn from History?

    Historically, Armed Societies are POLITE Societies.

    WELL-ARMED Societies are very Polite and EXTREMELY RESPECTFUL.

    and NEITHER HAVE MASS SHOOTINGS.

    Maybe it's just me....

    The 'politicians' with all their magic powers of stupid have convinced themselves they can 'regulate' human nature.

    The more you regulate SELF DEFENSE, the more MASS SHOOTINGS YOU CREATE.

    They may have misjudged their value....
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    • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 1 week ago
      Just like the axiom: Fences make good neighbors; your cows won't be eating the food of your neighbors cows and visa versa.

      If one is self inspecting or at least understands consequences, even if they attribute those consequences to some unseen force, understand that if I go to shoot you, you might shoot me too!...is it worth the risk?

      But it only works for those that have the ability to think! or at least have a protoconscience.
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  • Posted by  $  Solver 2 months, 1 week ago
    There has been a number of mass shooting in 2019. The main stream media seems to be blaming it on white supremacy, but something doesn’t fit their narrative.
    https://i.redd.it/s5az2hefane31.jpg
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    • Posted by  $  25n56il4 2 months, 1 week ago
      The reason you are having a problem with figuring this out is because it's in front of our noses. On the news every day. The hate being spread by the Leftist Loonies and 'the squad" is affecting everyone. Hearing this spewed out daily is confusing to the younger generation and my generation. I have never experienced the vitriol directed at one person like they have done with Mr. Trump.
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  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 1 week ago
    The other guy as well was a socialist in some ways, although, I have doubts he actually wrote that manifesto...it was way too perfect.

    Also note: socialist, marxist, communist, fascist, progressives and postmodernist inherently think the world is divided by different racial entities base upon a chemical which when deposited on the head of a pin could not be seen by the naked eye.

    Better to divide the world by those that have a conscience and those that do not...but it's a whole lot more scary than the color of one's skin.
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  • Posted by mshupe 2 months, 1 week ago
    As Objectivists, its critical to consult with the Law of Causality, everything behaves according to its nature. What is the nature of these depraved individuals, what is the root cause of their depravity, and do it from the perspective of volition, not determinism. To me, we are manufacturing generation after generation of young people whose lives have little meaning. The most extreme cases have no meaning and are nihilistic, and a small number of them just want to kill. Rand nailed the dominant philosophy many years ago.
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    • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 months, 1 week ago
      There are those few who are born sociopaths. I had a cousin who was naturally cruel from the time he could crawl, unlike his siblings, who were compassionate people. He began torturing animals when he was three, and set up an ambush so he could jump on my brother's injured foot, then ran off laughing hysterically.

      As an adult, he became a serial killer, though thankfully he was stopped after the first two. He killed just because he wanted to, and used a knife to mutilate the bodies of his victims.

      Unfortunately, the state in which he was tried permitted an insanity defense, and sent him to a mental institute for the criminally insane. Under the state's rules, he could be released whenever a review board felt he was rehabilitated, and he could make such a request every year. He was very persuasive, as are most sociopathic narcissists, and very nearly got released after two years. Fortunately, his sister presented the board of review with some of the evil, malicious letters he had sent her, where he threatened to kill all of his relatives. As far as I know, he ended his days in the institution.

      Genetics do play a part in a person's makeup, and for some, there is no cause due to improper nurture that makes them a monster. They may get involved in out of kilter groups if it pleases them, or they may just be a time bomb that explodes in slaughter unexpectedly. My cousin was one of the latter.
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      • Posted by  $  2 months, 1 week ago
        Thanks for the story DrZ,
        The Evil Hag was predisposed to evil. I would think she abused animals early in life. Likely much to the pleasure of her gangster father.
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      • Posted by lrshultis 2 months, 1 week ago
        Genetics do not determine the contents of ones mind (soul, self, consciousness with its values) because it is self made. One is not born good or bad, it is how one creates a self. There is no completed self placed in a newly born human body.
        Do not try to blame evil or good on genetic factors.

        I have a brother who is ten months younger than me. He has for his whole life been troublesome and went the way of theft, alcohol and drugs, as well as just being a fairly nasty person. He was not born that way but permitted has newly developing self to try to get away with what most people would consider bad behavior. Maybe I might have helped with his view of reality. He and I were both high IQ kids with him being very outgoing and I a borderline Asperger kid. He has blamed me and society for his not having a living given to him for not having asked to have been born. He is the one responsible for how his self developed, not me or genetics or some God or objective reality.
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        • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 months, 1 week ago
          Unless you've been exposed to a real sociopath, particularly one who has shown not one moment of compassion, and enjoyed the suffering of others consistently since birth, you have no basis on which to dismiss a genetic cause. My brother is a narcissistic jerk, but I consider that due to the fact he couldn't cope with all of the relocations we had as children, while I could. My cousin was not relocated, growing up in a quiet small town. His behavior was unsettling, because he was not consistently in trouble. He appeared to view other people as objects to be ignored or brutalized for his entertainment. It was that abstract, disconnected lack of empathy that characterizes a real sociopath. The only time he showed rage was when someone stopped him from tormenting animals or other humans, denying him his entertainment.

          For the sociopath, whether genetically predisposed, or created by the abuse of others, there is no good or evil. Their value system is based on what pleases or displeases them. There are some sociopaths who are less dangerous, getting their pleasure out of tormenting others with mental or emotional abuse, but empathy is totally lacking. They consider themselves more intelligent than their victims, and disregard the idea they themselves could be victims. One such person I asked about the concept of becoming a victim just shrugged, and said "If it happens, it happens."

          I'd be curious to see what OldUglyCarl has to say about sociopaths, given his close encounters with the breed over many years.
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          • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 1 week ago
            It's got to be genetic Doc.
            I can definitely say that a psychopath and a Sociopath have a dysfunction that prevents the left and right brain from cooperating. They usually use only one side or the other.
            My insight is that one needs the cooperation of both sides in order to have a conscience.

            Sociopaths may be a bit different in the aspect of brain wiring where pleasure is derived by harming others regardless of whether they are aware of right or wrong, good or evil. They may only have a weak or sporadic connection but a psychopath has none.

            Also, Narcissism is always present in a sociopath whereas it is not always present with psychopaths.
            The commonality is a lack of empathy...putting themselves in the shoes of others.

            Both however, suffer from a lack of identity, the "I" or the Mind and often make one up. Freud called it the Superego...he didn't know about the Mind, he only studied the mentally ill.

            PS...I am beginning to wonder if Omar is a sociopath aided by a religion that makes it acceptable.
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            • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 months, 1 week ago
              What's sad about Islam is that Muhammad had good intentions about revealing a loving, caring deity to the pagan Arab population. Deconstructing the randomly assembled Koran into a consistent temporal sequence, we find the prophet's early statements to be aligned with the kind of direction toward compassion toward others found in the Christian New Testament. After he approached the Jewish hierarchy, and was mocked and rebuffed, he became increasingly bitter, reflected in the later passages, which reflect anger and violence, particularly toward Jews.

              The worst offenses against compassionate human behavior come not from the Koran, but from the Hadiths, which are supposedly based on informal conversations with the Prophet. Some reformist Muslim scholars think the Hadiths were assembled to win over those Arabs who wanted to cling to some of their pagan practices, and should be regarded as less binding than the Koran to the faithful.

              To cling blindly to religious texts, or the interpretations expressed by rigid ideologues is unworthy of a species with a mind as capable of rational thought as we are. Righteously spouting scripture, or political statements based on it, is a weakness, when we are fully capable of deciding what is right and wrong when we consider all aspects of a situation. That is not a support of conditional morality that progressives are so fond of, but of the human mind to recognize all aspects of a situation without reliance on racial, cultural, or religious differences. Omar is very guilty of using her religious upbringing, with all of the antisemitism inherent to justify her defiant, abusive behavior. White supremacists are very fond of selecting biblical statements as justification for their violent behavior as well. Both of those tendencies are definitely pathological.
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              • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 1 week ago
                I think their religion, politics, laws, rituals and Language prevent them from viewing their own behavior, "self introspection" which defines consciousness and without consciousness, one would have no conscience.
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                • Posted by lrshultis 1 month, 4 weeks ago
                  Does not the same apply for many of other such beliefs. I, recently met an otherwise intelligent woman who had a PHD in psychology who finding that I was an atheist, just the kind without a belief in the existence of a god for never finding any evidence and no atheism theory as to why a non existent should be considered existent other than not finding any evidence of existence, related that when younger she was agnostic, but later in life had some religious experience of a christian god and now is a practicing christian counselor. She seems not to be aware of how the bicameral brain works and does not question how her speaking in tongues may a mental problem. She had advise for me on where to read the bible that would convince me of the existence of a god. She is local to my village and writes mystery novels. So I tried one and found that it was just childlike religious solutions of the characters for those irrational questions about the meaning of it all. No real rational thought with introspection. I should have had a hint with the book in the library's religious collection which is kept away from the other stacks.
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                  • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 1 month, 4 weeks ago
                    Introduction and approach, I guess, makes the difference. Mankind at one point had those strange voices. Where they his own?,.. abet, with no connections from the left to the right brains or was it really a voice at all.
                    As Jaynes explains, mankind at one point, was schizophrenic in nature...until the voice went away and we (some of us) re-awakened to the voice of self.

                    But again, to your point, I think a rational, fully integrated man may have the same questions but approach the problem differently.
                    Many scientist, investigating their chosen subjects think that there is no way all that we see and think we know already could not have come to be all by itself nor just randomly happen where everything just falls into place...there must be causation but unlike Religion, (organization of some information), the scientist will continue to look for causation without developing rituals in it's honor but still appreciate one's own existence and whatever cause might be responsible in the big picture without the need to humanize it.
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        • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 1 week ago
          Alcohol and drug usage is genetic, the bad behavior is usually a result of that usage but not in all people. Both change the brain chemistry because it was pleasurable to do so.

          Sure, some use alcohol and drugs to cover for some deep hurt but again, it was one's genetic pronality that made it an acceptable option.
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    • Posted by  $  Solver 2 months, 1 week ago
      The philosophy has been postmodernized:
      “According to the new radicals, the Enlightenment-inspired ideas that have previously structured our world, especially the legal and academic parts of it, are a fraud perpetrated and perpetuated by white males to consolidate their own power. Those who disagree are not only blind but bigoted. The Enlightenment's goal of an objective and reasoned basis for knowledge, merit, truth, justice, and the like is an impossibility: "objectivity," in the sense of standards of judgment that transcend individual perspectives, does not exist. Reason is just another code word for the views of the privileged. The Enlightenment itself merely replaced one socially constructed view of reality with another, mistaking power for knowledge.

      There is naught but power.”
      https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytim...
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  • Posted by  $  TheRogue1000 2 months, 1 week ago
    There will ALWAYS be nut cases. That will not be handled or corrected at any near time in the future. These nut cases will come from many walks of life. And had more folks been armed, the shooter would have been dispatched far earlier. In truth, the number of dead in TEXAS quite amazed me. No one was carrying???
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  • Posted by  $  2 months, 1 week ago
    Much more to news to come from ElPaso also.
    My heart goes out to all the victims and their families. May they RIP.
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    • Posted by  $  25n56il4 2 months, 1 week ago
      Don't hold your breath. It would appear Dayton, Ohio is filling that role. I think Texas is trying to downplay this as much as possible. I agree with that attitude. We had our Santa Fe shooter and the little dear is yet awaiting trial! Killed 10 innocent people because he "had a problem". His parents knew it. Alvin Independent School District knew it and kicked him out. Then his parents got him into Santa Fe where he lived out his dream! Enough publicity.
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  • Posted by  $  Stormi 2 months, 1 week ago
    Our young people have been brainwashed and radicalized by our gov Schools. They have learned to take "talking points" without evaluating content. They become angry when real life does not become what they had been told. They have been fed Rx meds to control them in school. They have been gender rearranged, and taught killing is okay, starting with abortion, and ending with call of violence from Hollywood and Congressional radicals. This kid had a therapist for a dad, lor knows what he was on. Gun are not the issue, but screwed up young people are very much the issue, and the NEA and others should be held accountable.
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    • Posted by bobsprinkle 2 months, 1 week ago
      I came across this article this morning about future California school programs. I know, Calif is strange. But this is just bizarre ......
      https://pjmedia.com/trending/liberal-...
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      • Posted by  $  2 months, 1 week ago
        Thanks bobsprinkle ,
        From the article......But here's how California public schools want to define capitalism:

        Capitalism- an economic and political system in which industry and trade are based on a “free market” and largely controlled by private companies instead of the government. Within Ethnic Studies, scholars are often very critical of the system of capitalism as research has shown that Native people and people of color are disproportionately exploited within the system. In a capitalist economy, surplus value (profit) is generated from human labor and everything is commodified.
        Well, so much for prosperity! Let's just return to big government command-and-control economies. That worked out so well for the Soviet Union, right?

        But it gets better, and, by "better," I mean so much worse. Ethnic Studies would also oppose anthropocentrism.

        Anthropocentrism- the belief that human beings are the most important entity or species in the universe or human-centeredness.
        So, the fact that only human beings have developed civilization, advanced technology, culture, art, history ... that's all irrelevant. No, humans are inherently oppressive if we don't take into consideration the rights of animals, or something. Note: this is not saying humans should treat animals nicely — it is saying that the idea of humans as unique and uniquely deserving of rights is fundamentally bigoted and oppressive.
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        • Posted by bobsprinkle 2 months, 1 week ago
          This has gotten past the point of "dumba$$ed Californians. .Russia and North Korea would look at this with a skeptical eye. If indeed they could understand the language to begin with.
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  • Posted by  $  Temlakos 2 months, 1 week ago
    Has anyone investigated his family relationships? Among other people he shot and killed his own sister. Do you think maybe she was the prime target, and all the rest of this was a cover for that?
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  • Posted by  $  exceller 2 months, 1 week ago
    How many people are aware of this?

    I bet not many.

    Klobuchar, O'Rourke, Harris and the other demented "candidates" are already raising funds on the "violence caused by Trump".

    Never let a good crisis go to waste, right jerks?

    Every time something like this happens I think they can't go lower.

    They always do. It is a talent of the left, the only talent they have.
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    • Posted by  $  2 months, 1 week ago
      Evils only talent is to twist , distort and pervert.
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      • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 1 week ago
        I read a piece about good and evil. It stated that Evil is not an entity, it is a process inwhich the good is corrupted.
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        • Posted by mshupe 2 months, 1 week ago
          I'd like to read that. Aristotle had a theory that people generally act in pursuit of what is good, and I recall recently hearing some commentary about how a person's concept formation can turn it into evil behavior.
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          • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 1 week ago
            The authors are Ravi Zacharias and Norman Geisler and is mainly a philosophical argument or apology.

            I just started reading it and that question made me think. That question in itself seems to me to validate my position that we Don't have a direct connection to a Loving God and that Existence is structured as if we do have a limited connection by proxy.
            But we do have to rethink: What is Good and What is Evil. One of the examples of corrupting the good is rust on your car. Well, isn't that the nature of Steel...it is prone to rust...is that really a corruption of the good? I think it's a bad example. But the Cycles of Nature, the sun and the Universe is a different story. What seems bad to us might be good for the whole...the initial question has opened up a can of worms for me.
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            • Posted by DrZarkov99 2 months, 1 week ago
              OUC, check my post about genetic sociopaths, posted a couple of hours before your post. We have difficulty engaging with someone for whom there is no good or evil, but simply whether something does or does not please them. Serial killers are of this ilk, viewing their acts of horror as simply entertainment, and their victims as objects used for their pleasure.

              The answer is that "good" and "evil" are learned value judgements. Genocide has been portrayed as a truly evil act, but in the view of the ones committing the genocidal acts they often feel they're protecting themselves and others of their kind from racial impurity, revenge, social destruction, or some other such justification, and see it as a necessary thing, good for their group.
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            • Posted by  $  2 months, 1 week ago
              Tack Min vattenbror,
              Got your digital pony express and one from Herb7734. For all who interacted with Herb , a tremendous asset and participant on this Galt’s gulch he is doing better after a few difficult health issues. Sadly, his posting days will be limited in the future. Send well wishes in a Private Message.
              He will get it , but he may not respond.
              Shalom to Q
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        • Posted by  $  2 months, 1 week ago
          I should have said Evil doers. But as for corruption
          synonyms: alter, falsify, manipulate, tamper with, interfere with, tinker with, doctor, distort; adulterate, bastardize, dilute, contaminate, taint; informalfiddle with, cook; rarevitiate
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          • Posted by  $  Olduglycarl 2 months, 1 week ago
            Well actually, distortion and perverting corrupts the good too and Yes, there are "Doers" of corruption that reflect that evilness, but the question becomes; were these doers ever good?

            Not to mention, what IS good. Are the cycles we have been discussing and learning about, Good?
            They are a function of nature, yet they harm mankind, harm nature. Is that Evil?

            Is Harm the same as Corruption? or is Corruption another form of Harm.

            The piece really set me back in my chair.
            It was in a book: Who Made God and discusses many of these tricky questions.
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