We should've picked Hillary, but Trump is the best
A title inspired by the NYT to get attention. Just looking for a conclusive survey in this well-informed forum.
1. Who was the best candidate we could have actually gotten elected in 2016 (easter bunny is out) to optimize general freedom
2.Who was the the best presidential candidate in 2016 we could've gotten elected from an Objectivist perspective.
3. What else could (should) we be doing that would practically improve our freedom in our lifetimes?
Just preparing for the next election and getting the best input.
"Yes, but..." is a waste of everyone's time.
1. Who was the best candidate we could have actually gotten elected in 2016 (easter bunny is out) to optimize general freedom
2.Who was the the best presidential candidate in 2016 we could've gotten elected from an Objectivist perspective.
3. What else could (should) we be doing that would practically improve our freedom in our lifetimes?
Just preparing for the next election and getting the best input.
"Yes, but..." is a waste of everyone's time.
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If the other side does it, then deciding to limit trade yourself is punishing yourself for image. If they bring in tariffs it does not benefit their economy, it can benefit a few of their influential monopolists who get their government to protect them.
I agree with the criticisms of China. Tariffs will not change any of that.
Even complete trade embargoes do not work (see Iran, N.Korea). Only projection of force works, for that, do not weaken your economy for ineffective ideology.
2. Best Objectivist candidate? Both Cruz and Gary Johnson were good candidates. All depends on how far you want to read in the religious aspect of things.
3. VOTE. Engage your neighbors and encourage them to vote based on the issues - not the hyperbole.
But that entirely depends on both of the party nations being in favor of free trade, does it not? And that makes ALL the difference in this particular dispute. China isn't a free trade nation. They don't respect property rights, they manipulate their currency, they threaten the stability of the western Pacific, and prosecute those who advocate for free speech (see the recent Hong Kong protests).
It's nice to talk about ideals, but one has to recognize that when one of the nations in a trade policy isn't following even the basics, it isn't even on the table to talk about ideals.
Free trade, no tariffs, may be the only Objectivist policy by which government does not instruct people or companies what to do with their property. This is on top of the economic benefits for both nations where one does and the other does not have tariffs.
So that negotiating tool is of no benefit, your stance is that other nations can have or can not have tariffs, you do not.
I am open to counter arguments for the case of small nations/economies.
Responding to a point you made 4h earlier- how to respond to a central authoritarian government- they sell products to you but will not buy your products, instead they buy your office blocks, factories, mines and ports. I remain unconvinced that this is bad.
(Again small economies has special conditions, Singapore, Luxembourg etc manage ok with relatively free trade, SriLanka not so well)
Is Trump wrong here? Maybe it is a case of- this will hurt me but less than it will hurt you. Trump may be thinking ahead more than I am, but, I reckon, more tariffs are better for political posturing than economic benefit.
They may not need to trade with the US to survive, but they do to grow. Our experiment there was a massive failure. We funded our enemy to become economically and soon militarily significant. So stupid.
I still say there is nothing more ironic than a “Proud Union” bumper sticker in a Walmart parking lot.
Given china’s expansionist,warlike, and anti human rights positions, do we really want to trade with them at all? Would it make sense to trade with hitler while he was building death camps?
I think that in the end Trump wants more trade but he's right, the U.S. simply gives in to keep things placid.
I used to accept Milton Friedman's approach that if China, or any other nation, subsidized their producers they were essentially subsidizing American consumers.
However, with Trump's emphasis I've been rethinking this and realize that if the manufacturing job goes to China, the fact that they subsidize the goods may not make up for the lower salary of the displaced worker. It only works for us if people can find work with similar compensation. And they can't
Smart USA companies will get the message rearrange their supply chains asap. I think tariffs will ratchet up to 100% soon
The political problem is that it hurts the businesses that trade with China and they are complaining. The business that might be created if China doesn't use trade barriers to block U.S. goods do not exist yet, so they have no lobby.
Please explain.
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