There are lies, Damned Lies and Statistics. We have recently lost 2 car ferry's due to EV fires. Total Losses. The problem with them is that they are incredibly difficult to put out. Comparing IC car fires to EV fires is like comparing a headache to a brain aneurism. Yes...please give me 3 headaches, rather than one Brain aneurism. These f-ing things are the biggest scam since the COVID vaccination.

If everything I've read about electric autos is real and the lithium batteries...they won't fly on the Gulf Coast of Texas...first hurricane and flood they'll all be gone.

This is one of the tests we have to perform on our system for the Navy. It can be spectacular. What happens is shorting of the anode and cathode which heats like a shorted filament, and then ignites the electrolyte.

Success in the Navy test is to contain the consequences not to cascade to other cells and bypass the damaged subset of cells.

you can put out a gas car fire

try putting out a lithium fire
if you dare

and the battery is often damaged and can burn long after the damage it receives, unexpected

ever take a charged lithium battery and puncture it??

if not, try it, from a safe distance

a VERY safe distance

my heart would not dare attack me

i do n0t listen to doctors much anymore
not after this covid crap

I often go off on rabbit trails covering nearly any subject. I especially like opening their eyes to things from history not normally covered and how it relates to the present.

That’s cool. My father was a HS Physics teacher. I love teaching too. Back in the day, I took his class a couple of times when I was in college. Substitute teachers knew nothing (particularly Physics), and there weren’t all the rules of today. Students seemed to like it.

In college we had a professor who combined literature and history. Connecting the literature of the day with architecture and even furniture was interesting and made me remember thing rote approaches never would. I look a math and science that way.

Once the relevant material has been covered I often cover unrelated material that both the students and myself find interesting.

Why are you talking about alkaline metals in the classroom then? Just curious.

ICE vehicles caught fire substantially less often, at 1,530 incidents per 100,000 vehicles. EV fires were significantly lower than the others, with 25 fires per 100,000 vehicles. https://www.familyhandyman.com/articl....

Thanks! I think it is important that we stay with the facts.

Certainly forcing things for sure. Even from the article, XeF4 has to be heated to 400 F to get it to happen... The article also specifically mentions XeF2 and XeF6. I don't remember where I saw the F8 version. Maybe just in my imagination. ;)

Right, but thought it was XeF4, not 8. Maybe they did that too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenon_t...

If I'm not mistaken, they use Fluorine to try to "bond" with the noble gases because of its reactivity. They end up making interesting, unstable chemicals like XeF8...

Way too many administrators, in public schools and colleges! Total waste of $.

They have compounds with Xenon and Neon, but that is as far as noble elements have gone (at least in 1984, when I last checked).

Indeed. Given the number of automobile collisions, the number of vehicle fires is surprisingly low...

Oxygen and helium (an inert gas), eh. Hehe. Just goes to show how useful Vice Principals are and continue to be. Maybe he/she was afraid of students imitating Alvin and the Chipmunks.

I just attended a HS graduation for one of my daughters on Saturday. It was interesting to see who the student body actually clapped for. Not a single member of the Board of Trustees got anything more than a golf clap. Several of the teachers received warm, congratulatory hugs from grads.

As I am a math teacher, I haven't had occasion to try any of those experiments in the classroom.

Too bad you probably can just do the experiment anymore. Can you?

When I was in HS, we put lithium in water to show the reaction. That was the early 80's and the heat was already on from stupid Karens and administrators.

I was a Chemistry aide, and the Vice Principal came into the lab and told us we needed to separate two gas cylinders, so we wouldn't have an explosion: Oxygen and Helium. I told him if we did have a reaction we'd be the first high school to get the Nobel Prize.

I loved my little orange Pinto. I called it the Pumpkin and it got great gas mileage and handled like a dream.

I will be happy to see those statistics you cite. Would you be so kind as to provide a link?

Great summery.

Laptops have been exploding for years. The batteries are just bigger now.

My brother was USAF Mafor stationed in Fla. He had a gorgeous Cadillac but was fighting the salt spry , so went to an lighter color car, to avoid the fading, and one less affected by the sea salt. Would not the sea saly spry get up into the engine from the roads, and would that not act on the lithium batteries? We know they are very susceptible many outside elements.Once they start to deteriorate, they are unstable.