But they are going to stick their noses into your business and demand that you support their personal lives/choices - or else.

The "Trans Agenda" in point of fact has nothing to do with transgender. It has to do with destroying American society. While the LGBT "community" benefits from it, ultimately it will benefit from the agenda the same way blacks, women and children have benefited from its predecessors.

It doesn't sound like those are your values. It sounds to me like you have no values...

You sound like a reasonable and rational person.

I personally think that LGBT is wrong from a perpetuation of the species perspective. On an individual basis, I don't give a rip what one, two, or more people want to do in their bedroom - so long as they are of legal age, competent to understand what they are doing, and consent to what they are doing. What I do object to, is being told that I MUST not only tolerate what they do, but that I must, as you identify, give them SPECIAL consideration. That is where their rights overlap my rights. And when they want to bring in the force of government to do so, that's where/when I become militant about it.

I don't shove my sexual perspectives in the faces of others and only ask that they not do so to me either. If a certain provider of goods/services doesn't want to serve you (other than if you are a legally protected class) that is their right - move on and find another. It is not your right to force them to violate their own beliefs so that you might enable your own. And if there is no other provider out there, then start your own service/company if you think there is a demand for such.

Maph is a one-note band on this board. He insists that everyone accept his point of view, and refuses to allow that others might have a different point of view. There are a couple others on certain topics as well, but he is certainly the most pronounced and prolific.

It's worse than that. There's a particular book that is advocated to use - It's Perfectly Normal - that will amaze you.

Here's a link to a video - http://www.auee.org/sexuality-standards....

Not safe to watch at work, with children, with anyone you don't consider a close friend. Very disturbing.

Language changes naturally over time. Cultural evolution is an inherent part of language. It has nothing to do with socialism.

"This is tortured logical gymnastics trying to find a way denying people equal marriage rights paradoxically gives people more rights."

Not as tortured as the logic that people with deviant sexual appetites are somehow being denied "marriage rights" simply because they can't marry a member of the same sex, or a dog, or a cucumber. People with deviant sexual appetites already have equal marriage rights.
"I'm very happy to see traditional gender roles broken down"

You're very sick, then.

"The authors grandkids will be embarrassed to be associated with this bigotry."

This is what the progressives call "progress". Over the past half-century and more, they have pushed the envelop bit by bit, destroying cultural norms based upon human nature, claiming moral righteousness in fighting for "fairness" where there is no unfairness "equality" where equality is an impossible measure. And painting anyone who refuses to conform to the new norm as stupid, primitive, backwards, bigoted, hateful.

First they hid in the civil rights movement, then in the feminist movement, now in the LBGT movement. And any time someone predicted that we'd be right here someday, they were pooh-poohed in the media and by all "right-thinking" people as being alarmist.

I remember Geraldine Ferraro, back in 84, laughing at the idea that we'd ever have unisex bathrooms or put women in combat. Lessee...30 years later, we've had both for awhile now.

What you mean when you say, "the author's grandkids will be embarrassed" is "in another 20 years, we'll have managed to brainwash the young enough to think such deviancy is normal, and they'll have nothing to compare it to."

That's why the overwhelming population of the gulch is old, and why the focus in elections is the young people, because the old folks still remember way back in their hindbrains what the world was like before we started listening to the terminally insane.

Wow, you have to reapply for guardianship of your special needs daughter every three years? That's... really messed up.

I admit I don't really know much about the problems surrounding that particular issue, since I'm not personally involved with it, but I would definitely support any changes in regulation and/or legislation which alleviated you of that hassle and expense.

The special tax treatment is to reward married people for the positive contribution they make toward society. A contribution not made by a pair of homosexuals shacking up.

Why it is so difficult for the equality-obsessed crowd to figure out that we are a species with two sexes for a reason, and that all marriage really is is a formalized recognition of a man and woman engaging in their natural roles in the reproductive cycle of homo sapiens?

Why would they need to implant anything? They just need to cut the tube that conveys the sperm and leave everything else intact.

I always found it amusingly absurd to say "fixed" when you mutilate a dog.

I've also wondered why, if this is such an effective birth control method, more parents aren't encouraged to use it on their teenage children...

So your beliefs bout gays, marriage, trans and the obvious lack of damage done by them are not iron-clad? Where I come from, that suggests you lack the courage of your convictions, then...

"Yes, the SAME "they're going to destroy society" arguments came out when blacks DARED to hold hands with, LET ALONE MARRY whites. OMFG... how horrible! "

There is no comparison; a sexual appetite is not a race... but hold on to that thought.

"I'm not racist, but I've known MANY racist people through work and relationships (some of them even homosexual), and TO A PERSON, not ONE of them has ever shown any behaviors which would evoke or provoke the kind of hatred and anger expressed here. "

See, I'd be willing to bet you weren't old enough to have lived in such a era, and are parroting what you were taught. But, I am old enough to have lived through it.

What "horrible beliefs"? That their sexual appetites are not normal and healthy? That they already enjoy the same rights as healthy people? You've led a sheltered life indeed if that rises to the level of "horrible" to you.

"If any of them (you) think you've offered any rational reasons for your opinions, you are sorely mistaken."

How would you know? I've used nothing but rational reasoning to explain the obvious, which is why you mistake it for hatred; your "reasoning" is not reason, but emotion.

"I only hope that society outlives your bigotry much as it's come SO far in battling racial prejudice (and still has a long way to go, too.) "

Well, with bigotry society has gotten at least as far as it did in the 1950s... the anti-bigotry society you postulate has at least 6,000 years to go to match its track record.

I'll tell you one thing... if the "horrible beliefs" of the bad old days had held sway back then... we wouldn't have Obama in the White House today. His mother wouldn't have let his father touch her, or gotten herself into a position where he could, and her parents would not have raised her grandkid for her; they'd have shipped him off to a Kenyan orphanage.

But, we would have been spared the anguish of this pretender in the White House. The hundreds of thousands of lives already lost and destroyed probably would have been saved. What price tolerance?

I like irony.

"And the illogic of the alleged 'arguments against everything from polygamy to incest to 'marrying your pet' is astounding."

What illogic? Your problem is your narrow-mindedness. You, in your self-declared moral and mental superiority, cannot see views outside the narrow confines of your preconceptions, prejudices and indoctrination.

What is illogical is suggesting the appetite and romantic feelings for members of your own sex are somehow the same as the appetite and romantic feelings for members of the opposite sex, yet still different from the appetite and romantic feelings for groups, minors, family members, inanimate objects, animate objects, and so on.

If my little chihuahua had not gone and died on me, I'd have had fun challenging the legitimacy of the equal rights claims of the LGBT community. No, there was no sex or even sexual appetites involved in our relationship, but there was deep, strong, binding love.

When my father died, I developed panic attacks, for awhile. When my mother died, I cried for 3 days, so loudly I still wonder why the neighbors didn't call the cops.

But when my mom's chihuahua died... I learned what hell was. For I don't know how long, about every 15 minutes, I would flash back to the last moments of her life; the look of fear in her eyes, the sound of her strangled yelp as the heart attack hit her, the feeling of helpless impotence and anguish, as she died in the arms of a stranger, the vet technician who had begun to carry her back for observation and treatment. Who are you to judge that my feelings weren't real, or relevant, or "equal" to normal relationships, while out of the other side of your mouth you try to convince people that obviously abnormal relationships are equal to normal ones.

For decades, science fiction shows have shown sexual and romantic relationships between humans and space aliens, even humans and robots. Star Drek pioneered television by portraying the first inter-racial kiss (forget the fact that Spock's parents had to have somehow bred).
In "Galaxy Quest", they took it to the next logical extreme (can't push the envelop unless you're willing to push it...)
There is a romantic and sexual relationship between one of the human actors and a squid creature from another planet. But, as the movie was PC, the ending had to be PC and they were portrayed as a happy loving couple, even though they weren't just of diferent species, but different animal kingdoms!

We're not horrible people for our beliefs; we're "horrible people" because our beliefs don't agree with yours.

I can live with that.

"Nor is her fraternal twin brother confused, either. "
Ah, so he knows that they're both sick, and that one of them isn't his parent. I see.

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Oh, and fyi... society cannot outlive bigotry. Bigotry is a survival mechanism. We lose that, and the species is toast.

And what about female-to-male transsexuals? Are you going to beat them up for using the women's restroom, too? Attitudes like yours are exactly why legal protections are needed.

Also, biological and/or genetic anomalies surrounding gender/sex occur in roughly 2% of the population, not 0.000000001%.