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The Duty of a True Patriot

Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 10 months ago to The Gulch: General
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    Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 10 months ago
    At this point I also think we need to protect ourselves from the government lovers too. They're mental.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 10 months ago
      The dumb ones I understand cause they don't know any better. I don't get the ones who are educated. No matter how leftist the educational system is shouldn't common sense kick in at some point?
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      • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 10 months ago
        I have a really hard time with that too. I guess it's about being elitist and proving their "I'm better than you because I FEEL more...and feelings trump reason." Second hander syndrome for sure though. (They get their self esteem from how others perceive them.) It's gross. Tooheyism.
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      • Posted by khalling 9 years, 10 months ago
        "They have cut man in two, setting one half against the other. They have taught him that his body and his consciousness are two enemies engaged in deadly conflict, two antagonists of opposite natures, contradictory claims, incompatible needs, that to benefit one is to injure the other, that his soul belongs to a supernatural realm, but his body is an evil prison holding it in bondage to this earth—and that the good is to defeat his body, to undermine it by years of patient struggle,"
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        • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 10 months ago
          Ayn Rand's view of Christianity on this point is based on an incorrect and now antiquated view of Christianity. Christians would say that the body and mind are engaged in deadly conflict, but both are in deadly conflict with different types of evil rather than with each other. The body and consciousness should not be in conflict with each other. When they are, this indeed is a contradiction to be avoided. The nature of the body and the conscience are not opposite nor incompatible, but living a moral, non-contradictory life is challenging (regardless of whether one is religious, atheist, or agnostic). The biggest argument that Christians should have with the above AR claim is "to benefit one is to injure the other". If Christians follow the concept that their bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, then their bodies must be treated with utmost respect just like all other aspects of their humanity. I am quite sure that some in this audience will reject the concept of a "Holy Spirit", but that is an argument for a different thread.

          One must master all aspects of oneself so that one can live a non-contradictory life. AR's characters illustrated quite well how susceptible humans can be to compromising one's values if they live a life of contradiction (ex. Rearden, Keating, Wynand).

          Regarding what richrobinson says about the "hopeless misfit", that is AR's view of Christianity. That is not what Christianity professes. Christians will agree that there is a struggle, but it is a struggle between two living aspects of one's humanity. As examples, acts of murder, theft, licentiousness, etc. require both one's body and one's mind and will have consequences on both. A Christian's life is not the battle between a corpse and a ghost. Rather it is a battle between the values that one professes and the reality that, in one aspect or another, sometimes one does not live up to those values. Regardless of one's metaphysics and epistemology, all of us have to fight the battle against hypocrisy. When we are hypocritical, we open ourselves up to attack.
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          • Posted by radical 9 years, 10 months ago
            Christianity, along with religion in general, too often tells people to dump on themselves.
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            • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 10 months ago
              Khalling and I had an e-mail chat in the last day about guilt. Many people of faith, particularly Christians, do have guilt complexes more than they should. Khalling correctly reproached me about the difference between guilt and regret. Guilt (at least usually) carries with it an evasive aspect that denies that A = A; this in turn opens up vulnerabilities. One must acknowledge wrongdoing, apologize to any offended parties only for was contrary to one's own values, and move on. Thanks, Khalling.
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      • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 10 months ago
        It actually gets worse the more "educated" you are (in general - there's certainly many exceptions). For those without a good amount of real world experience, when they keep book learning, they come to believe that they and those like them (the learned elite) can solve all problems just by thinking about them and dreaming up solutions. They've never had to actually put their ideas to the test and see whether their theory works in practice. Thus, when they finally get the power to enact their ideas and they fail, it cannot be because the idea is fundamentally flawed, it must be that; A) they didn't have enough money, B) they didn't have enough support by the people, C) those evil x's (republicans, tea-partiers, capitalists, entrepreneurs, ...) subverted their efforts, D) if they didn't have enough time and if we only give it more time it will work.

        No, I'll take the dumb over the "educated" any day. At least with the dumb if you bring them evidence they typically will see the truth. The "educated" are beyond seeing reality and can only see what they want to see.
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      • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 10 months ago
        An interesting, almost a unique feature of American education is its compartmentalization. A person can have a very good technical education and yet be completely ignorant of other areas around him. The classical education, especially in liberal arts, included foundations in almost everything that was important in the surrounding world, but that has not been the case in the US in at least 50 years. Thus, people that appear to be educated based on their degrees or the jobs that they do are often simpletons in 90% of the subjects that surround us. Without that classical foundation to analyze the surrounding world, they rely on mass media to fill in the gaps, as that is easier than analysis and thinking. When you add to that narrow knowledge the inability to take care of most things on their own and requiring a specialist for almost everything (not being negative here; just a result of compartmentalization and specialization), many grow up with an ingrained belief that others know better about almost everything that there is to know about. The role of the “others” is best fulfilled by the government since the government preaches its competency to children from the earliest age that they come under its influence (TV, schools) and insists on its supremacy constantly. Thus, the “educated” rarely consider that the “government” is a collection of bureaucrats who often know less about the subject they regulate than anyone else does; but, they have to pretend to be experts because the pretense is their job protection; any challenge to their authority exposes the fraud, so they fight back.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 10 months ago
    I had never heard this, Rich;;; Thank You!!! -- j

    p.s. I know that I am a true patriot, and the feeling
    of powerlessness with only one vote, one phone,
    one computer, one voice -- when others who are
    not patriots have more of the same -- is nauseating.

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