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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 9 months ago
    As a business owner I am getting tired of the government telling me what I have to provide to my employees. This article starts with the premise that if businesses were forced to provide very expensive health care for their employees that diseases like AIDS will disappear one day. That's crazy.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 9 months ago
    This bullshit thread title is an example of why the government should never be allowed to interfere in healthcare.

    Medicare/Medicaid has already been damaging the cost curve, and now you have Obamacare to fling it right over the cliff.

    The government has no business defining health plans for employers. The benefit package should be up to the employer not the government.

    That Supreme Court ruling was extremely narrow, read it and understand it yourself instead of going by a group with an axe to grind's predigested pablum.
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    • Posted by Hiraghm 9 years, 9 months ago
      Were I President, I'd threaten executive orders and even martial law until Congress passed legislation making "benefits packages" in lieu of cash pay flat-out illegal.

      We've got to get away from this feudalistic view of business.
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  • Posted by khalling 9 years, 9 months ago
    that is ridiculous and you have not read the opinion. maph, either pull it together or you will be losing points very quickly. which you do not like...
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    • Posted by Maphesdus 9 years, 9 months ago
      Ridiculous, is it? I think you underestimate the tenacity of the religious-right and their determination to do absolutely everything in their power to oppress minorities and force their religious views on the general public...

      http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/re...

      http://www.advocate.com/politics/2014/06...

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-tann...
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      • Posted by khalling 9 years, 9 months ago
        before I even read your sites-they are ALL very progressive sites and they are re-circulating bullshit that was not in the ruling. don't give me that minority oppressing bullshit. latinos are HUGELY catholic. blacks as a group tend to be more religious than the main. get over the evil strawman and deal with the STEALING first
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        • Posted by Maphesdus 9 years, 9 months ago
          So what if they're progressive? That doesn't automatically make them wrong. And the issue isn't about what's in the ruling, it's about the type of reasoning which forms the logical foundation of the ruling, and where that train of logic will inevitably lead. The article on "Talking Points Memo" above already has an example of what the future holds. Ask your lesbian friends what their stance on the issue is.

          And I'm not sure what "stealing" you're referring to.
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          • Posted by khalling 9 years, 9 months ago
            my lesbian friends oppose the ruling on the normal female outrage against not being able to get every employer on board with any reproductive issue and pay for it. This is why your insurance should be private and taken with you when you change jobs. why aren't you on board with that? Abortion should never be covered under insurance unless the life of the woman is in danger. That's the point of insurance. EMERGENCIES. ever since HMOs it has been bastardized into this entitlement from hell. no wonder if you get insurance privately it's so expensive-people want, want, want
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 9 months ago
              That's a great summary of the whole problem. I describe it was people moving coins around on a table and trying to make them worth more. They move them to the side of no underwriting and mandatory coverage for various things, and then they're shocked to find the coins aren't still on the other side. By calling it "the healthcare system", they think there is some trick where "the system" can produce expensive treatments without paying.
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            • Posted by Maphesdus 9 years, 9 months ago
              Hmmm, I suppose you do make a good point about how private insurance can be taken with you when you switch jobs. A lot of conflict could potentially be solved that way. Though I disagree that insurance should be used only for emergencies. There are countless non-emergency medical issues which would be unaffordable without some kind of long-term payment method.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 9 months ago
                If you can afford to pay on a long-term payment plan without it wiping out your wealth, you don't need insurance. The insurance company doesn't create wealth. We all pay into it and the unlucky ones who face the peril, receive some of that money from the insurance company.

                If "insurance" covers routine things that you know are coming, you're just paying the insurance company and asking for your money back when the routine cost occurs.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 9 months ago
        " I think you underestimate the tenacity of the religious-right and their determination to do absolutely everything in their power to oppress minorities and force their religious views on the general public"
        I agree with your rejection of the religious right.

        If we accept that the gov't gets to decide how private businesses pay people, then we need to have a hard political battle with the religious right. We can argue employers should pay for birth control. They can argue we shouldn't be allowed to provide free birth control b/c it's unfair to employees who don't want it. We could have a political debate over every HR decision.

        I'm in favor of leaving them alone. They can run their business according to Christian beliefs. I can run mine by UU principles. We don't need to all agree on how businesses should compensate employees.
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