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Real Americans Are Ready To Snap

Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 11 months ago to Government
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"Despite popular belief, every culture of every nation draws a line in the sand against government tyranny. The problem is, many draw this line so close to total defeat that it rarely matters....
I believe the same feeling hangs in the air of modern America for REAL Americans, and by “real”, I mean those who actually support and defend the constitutional values and principles that lay at the foundation of our society. We sense that something is coming; a great change, or an unstoppable reckoning."
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  • Posted by Susannah 9 years, 11 months ago
    The coming election will be a determining factor in how much more the American people will take. If the elections are obviously stolen (a la 2012); if the RINOs take control of the Senate; if the Dems retain control of the Senate; if the RINOs retain control of the House ... any of these would not bode well for the peace of this land. And of course, if TPTB make a midnight raid on the rancher in Nevada and take either him or his cows, all bets are off. The feds want the people to make the first hostile move so that they can declare martial law and begin attempting to disarm us. We must not allow that to happen. We must make them take the first shot so that we can maintain the high ground and the moral authority on the world stage. This is crucial and is a lesson that should have been learned from the first American Civil War.

    By firing first on Ft. Sumter, the Confederacy lost the high ground and later, when they needed to be recognized by the European states for trade purposes to finance the war, they were left in the lurch.

    The American taxpayers have been asked to give enough, sacrifice enough, share enough, do without enough. We are ready to defends our rights.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
      A good analogy. Had the Confederacy won their independence history wouldn't have blamed them for anything, but powerful allies would have made that outcome more likely.
      No outcome of the next election will advance the cause of freedom, assuming that either Republicans or Democrats (or any party bought and paid for by banksters and corporate looters) retain control. The system is thoroughly corrupted and voting will change nothing for the better.
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 11 months ago
        The fed gov will put down any insurrection raised against it regardless of how many people are pissed. How? Easy, not enough people will simultaneously stand all across the country. To have isolated "flare-ups" would be disastrous and invite marshal law. Under O, it would be the opportunity to annihilate opposition and set himself up for a 3rd term or dictatorship. He's already armed HDS. Recall, Shay's Rebellion.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
          Yes, outcome of armed rebellion is more often negative than positive. Shays Rebellion is a good example. The result was the start of the destruction of States Rights, which were more protected in the Articles of Confederation.
          Obama is not the problem. It doesn't matter which corrupt party holds the oval office.
          The bottom line is people can safely be enslaved by doing nothing but what they are told or they can take the risk to be free. Resistance must be very well organized and compartmentalized to succeed.
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          • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 11 months ago
            Disagree with regards to Obama. We have never had a president who holds the Constitution in such contempt as this one, nor one so aided by a complicit Senate and media.

            To me, that is where change needs to start: the media. When the truth gets exposed to the American people, they generally stand for Constitutional principles.
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            • Posted by strugatsky 9 years, 11 months ago
              I think that you are much mistaken about the American people and their stand for the Constitution. The 47 Million on welfare think of the Constitution as their right for welfare. Of the remainder, half have been brought up with this huge guilt trip that tells them to appease the moochers with whatever they can steal from the producers. And a great many of the remainder care more about their favorite sports team than anything else. Like someone said elsewhere, every century has it's dark age.
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              • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 11 months ago
                You may be correct. It may be naive of me to believe that the majority of Americans still believe in truth and freedom. I hope not, as that truly will be a dark age that leads to a true scenario such as that depicted in "Atlas Shrugged". The question will then be who will rise up to lead America out of the ashes again?
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 11 months ago
    FFA, a recent book by Mark Levin proposed that action be taken by the states to take back the power systematically stolen by the feds over the past 112 years ("the liberty amendments") ... God, I hope that it doesn't come to violence. -- j
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    • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
      If action had been taken 15-20 years ago peaceful change MIGHT have been possible. I fear that today the probability is too low, State level politicians are subject to the same corruptive influences on a smaller scale. Getting a 2/3 majority of the states to agree to amendments that don't include loopholes placed there by bankster stooges is, imo, similarly improbable. As much as I wish it was possible, I have not seen legislators at any level with the guts to stand up to combined federal and gangster pressure.
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      • Posted by baron987 9 years, 11 months ago
        But that's just the start - after 2/3 of the states agree on an amendment, 3/4 of the states have to ratify it - really tough considering most of New England and all of the left coast states are blue.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 11 months ago
    Big change is coming, alright. But like the see-saw that is balanced on its fulcrum, it can fall either way. If it falls to the left, be prepared for a new Dark Ages, and all that it implies. It's way too late for me, and I am delighted that I discovered Galt's Gulch, but more than discussion is needed. Activism is the only thing that will counteract the shape of things to come. The inheritors of Alinsky are not stopping. Their patience has been rewarded by their control of public schools, their infiltration of politics, and their control of a large hunk of the media. They never rest, as their opposite numbers mumble "It can't happen here." Oh yeah? Open both eyes and look about. It's already happened and continues to happen. The above is a small start, and the Tea Party with all its faults is at least, a step in the right direction.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
      Unfortunately the Tea Party is 'managed' by the Republicans, one looting arm of the vampire squid that sucks the productivity out of the people and concentrates power for the banksters and their looting corporate cousins.
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      • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 11 months ago
        Have to disagree. Many in the T.P. are as disgusted with the Republican Party as many of us are. True, there are some repubs in the T.P. but its very existence came about as a rebellion against the G.O.P.
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 11 months ago
    If Ayn Rand were alive today, and could see the Tea Party movement, she might have written Atlas Shrugged with a slightly different ending.

    She projected collapse, not overthrow.
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    • Posted by khalling 9 years, 11 months ago
      tem, can you give us a little more? Are you saying that Rand would be ok with the notion of overthrow?
      I think it's an interesting speculation but ultimately, I think she would have written AS the same way. The collapse is essential to the illustration of many philosophical points. Revolution, in and of itself, may not be a good thing. the founding of the US was based solidly on natural rights against a tyrannical monarchy. Our government today is a combination of the tyranny of majority and completely lawless government. It does not apply any laws to itself. The law has become a tool it uses to manipulate its citizens.
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      • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 11 months ago
        I suggest she would have approved of the American War for Independence, and would see a modern revolution in the same light.

        She never treated the subject of internal revolution. She did list four criteria that would justify a war of *external liberation*:

        1. Executions without trial.
        2. Detentions without charges.
        3. Restrictions on ex-migration.
        4. Censorship.

        Any country that practiced all four of these things would in her written view be ripe for an invasion for purpose of liberation.

        But an internal revolution? That's easier to justify, so long as the real end is more liberty, not less.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 11 months ago
    it is my belief that americans employed employed by the government will take up arms against other citizens of the country. there are to many warriors from previous wars starting with korea who have realized that there was no reason to be involved there and saw to many of their friends lose their lives for no good reason other than some useless politicians need. I believe they will side with the citizens. that is what we saw with the situation in Nevada.
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  • Posted by redoty09 9 years, 11 months ago
    Any congressman or woman, the president and members of the supreme court should be impeached or kicked out of office if they do not follow and uphold the Constitution of The United States and The Bill of Rights!!
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    • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
      Unfortunately it's the other guilty representatives that must act to impeach, and they will not act because of their own complicity.
      Paraphrasing Ben Franklin, they must all hang together, or they would most assuredly hang separately.
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 11 months ago
    Great change could happen peacefully and legally through voting and lobbying organizations. I really hope we don't have some violent reckoning.
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    • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 11 months ago
      Normally I agree with CircuitGuy, but this is the rare exception. The US is way past the point where peaceful and legal voting could change things. Lobbying is a tool of the looters and moochers. I can't go there.

      Perhaps we need a truly revolutionary strategy - not your typical revolution - but perhaps something akin to what SPECTRE would have done in the James Bond movies. Get the two warring sides to beat each other up to the point where neither has the strength to take us on. The hard part about that is staying covert for long enough to pull it off.
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      • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 11 months ago
        Maybe lobbying is the wrong word. i call it lobbying when I talk to a politician and staff at a fundraiser, contact them when an important vote comes up, and let them know I took note of their vote. I don't do it as much recently. So many people looking to maintain a specific program do it. It's important that people who just want contain the size and intrusiveness of gov't do it.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
          Unless you are one providing funds at the fundraiser you are just wasting time. The staff that you talk to have their own advancement agenda, and won't pass along your concerns unless they are (1)accompanied by bribes, er, contributions, or (2) allied with big money interests. They will promise to do everything possible, but the fact is that nothing is possible,
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          • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 11 months ago
            I don't see how you can go to fundraisers without providing the funds. Of course the staff has their own advancement agenda. So does the representative.

            If their mail is running heavily against something and/or contributors are calling mostly on one side and saying they're following the vote, they won't go against the mail and contributors.
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            • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
              What results can you report?
              What I see are lying politicians only interested in their own power doing nothing they promise to get elected, and voting in favor of more dictatorial laws and regulations, and ignoring their oaths to defend the constitution. They have been doing the same things for all of my adult life. I wouldn't even consider giving them any of my production as a bribe; they already steal at gunpoint 99% more than they are worth. One example: People I know have worked to get one senator elected based on specific promises to accomplish a certain thing once elected. Afterward the senator said "I looked into that and it's fine as it is." No further discussion or explanation. What was the issue? The Federal Reserve Bank.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 11 months ago
                I never know when they vote my way if they would have voted despite citizen lobbying and also if they maybe went to their party leadership and got permission to vote their constituency as long as the leadership had worked out they would not prevail.

                I think lobbying to allow HSAs to continue under PPACA is why we still have HSAs today.

                That's really bad in the case where they blatantly break their promises.

                My worst negative experience is when we donated from someone and as a hail mary he bought some mud-slinging adds just after the fundraiser.

                Part of the reason for going to political fundraisers is to say hi to various people I might otherwise not touch base with. Lobbying is a secondary benefit. I reject the whole left/right struggle that politicians use to get elected, so I prefer non-partisan humanitarian events to political ones.
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                • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
                  I admire your patience, but I think that approach is not nearly enough for the situation. I am glad to hear there is another benefit to you for the time you spend in this effort.
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          • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 11 months ago
            There was a time when I also talked to politicians with whom I agreed on most things at fundraisers, but freedomforall is right, the bribes, er, contributions, is what politicians are all about. That is one of many reasons I am past my tipping point.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
      What dream world are you living in?
      Nothing has been accomplished to expand individual liberty in the US using those methods for govt change in nearly 50 years. (Unless you are talking about TBTF bankers or corporate looters who pervert the definition of the words "individual liberty.")
      Sure, somebody returned your wallet intact, but it wasn't one of the elite or their political puppets.
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      • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 11 months ago
        Its called hopeful. Circuitguy is more right that you think.

        Let widespread violence break out, justified or not, and let the government war against its people and this will no longer be the United State of America no matter who wins. That is, provided our enemies don't seize on the opportunity to claim some fertile land for themselves. Far fetched? So was the rise of totalitarianism in America at one time.
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        • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
          America would still be enslaved to the queen of England if not for the courage of Thomas Paine and others who saw the truth, and recognized that the repressive system didn't allow change in favor of individual liberty. We are at that point again today.
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          • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 11 months ago
            Yet what we had prior to the Revolution was nothing like that which we gained since. We no longer have a 2000 mile water buffer between us and other nations. To have that same type of revolution now would invite our downfall. Yes, we are angry - perhaps even deadly angry - toward government but level heads best prevail. The 2nd Revolution should be a 2nd Enlightenment. This second enlightenment should be an awakening of self-interest and self-reliance of the American people. It is only through this type of awakening can American representation be placed in government and a true revolution realized that will conserve the good and shuck the cancerous.
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            • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
              Noble ideas, but without an underground cell system the feds have the ability to quash the communication of such a peaceful revolt at any time. People are far too dependent on the obvious methods of communication which are easy to disrupt. No argument, enlightenment is superior to conflict. Been enlightening people for 25 years, and without staggering disruption to the comfortable coccoon of life in the matrix the awakening doesn't occur. When it does its too few, and with little ability to change the existing power structure. "Placing" good people in government will only happen when the stucture is changed, and the stucture won't change until your "good" representatives take control. Catch-22.
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            • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 11 months ago
              My hope is people bounce back and forth between Democrat and Republican, and someone with moderate libertarian leanings either gets one of the nominations or runs as a third party candidate. It would be a tough sell b/c the parties will always have a laundry list of problems to solve (foreign dictators, elderly people who can't afford meds, keeping people in jail longer, people want help paying their mortgage or for fuel), and the libertarian has to be a one-trick pony answering every issue with a call for reducing those programs but giving people back their tax money.
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              • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 11 months ago
                This country needs no less than 5 parties and run off elections throughout when a clear consensus cannot be reached. In a country such as ours just having two parties is a recipe for corruption.
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                • Posted by 9 years, 11 months ago
                  Pretty sure that parties are not the whole answer, but I certainly agree with the sentiment. As election process tsar (taking a lot of liberty here, pun intended) I would place a very low cap on election campaign spending in the interest of getting many more non-professionals to run (and to increase the chance some would win.) I would discourage career politicians by reducing campaign spending limits much more on re-election campaigns. Assuming we don't want elections being bought I would limit campaign contributions to very small donations by individuals only (and unspent monies allocated to provide firearms to all sane adults in the district. Hey, I am the tsar!) The entire election process should be re-evaluated by citizens at the local level and proposals made for replacement legislation.
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                  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 9 years, 11 months ago
                    5+ parties mean 5+ succinct political/social ideologies to chose from and a lower likelihood that they will all work in unison to screw the American people. Even Soros can't consistently throw money into protracted elections.

                    ALSO, we need a non of these option on every ballot for every office. The parties will be less likely the resurrect their decrepit standard bearers if they'd have to repeat (and sink ridiculous money into) a process only to lose to "none of these" several times.

                    You can't limit campaign contribution or spending without limiting free speech. O had many small un-reportable donations.
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  • Posted by SRS66East 9 years, 11 months ago
    I think it is too late to change the system from within, unless we are able to do it through state originated constitutional Amendments. Another thought how about an Amendment that imposes sunset periods on all laws (not amendments) and executive orders/rules. If they have to reevaluate these rules etc. periodically and reissue or allow to expire at the very least they have less time to create new ones and at best we could see unpopular statutes expire and disappear due to lack of current political support.
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  • Posted by ThomasSC 9 years, 11 months ago
    Our real problem is that we're a two party system, the democrats are mainly socialist/communists and the republicans are just democrats with bibles.
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    • Posted by SpiritMatter 9 years, 11 months ago
      There exists a fascist Big Gov/ Big Biz elite quietly living at the top of the wealth/power pyramid with the help of many Dem and Repub administrations. They secured the deep pocket resources of the upper/middle/lower working classes in 1913 by way of the Fed and the income tax. They hide like cockroaches and let the Dem and Repub puppets bathe in the lap dog media lime light. They keep our focus off of them by distracting us with guilt from unjust laws, with the struggle to survive with wages stripped by unjust compensation and taxes, with disagreements among ourselves that are not the real source of our repression and suffering. They thrive under government (communist), gov/biz complex (fascist), or business (monopolistic capitalism) run societies. Without checks and balances, all humans will abuse that power. One of the primary jobs of government is to defend our equal rights and be a check against any human or group of humans who try to implement superior rights for themselves or a special interest group. Instead the government is infringing on our rights and granting various special interest groups such as conservative religions a superior say in the laws of the land. We must restore our equal rights through a restoration of the checks and balances which are part of the written and unwritten (privileges not granted the government in the constitution are retained by each individual, collectively known as, the people) intentions of the Founding Fathers and our Creator who is not a respecter of persons unlike man.
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  • Posted by DaveM49 9 years, 11 months ago
    The trouble is that there are two sides to the line. And one one side are a bunch of second-handers who will continue to have faith that the government will "get it" for them somehow no matter what. There will come a time when they will have "had it", as well. At which point, watch out for the mobs.

    If anyone remembers the classic movie "Three Days Of The Condor", the villain has a lovely short speech right at the end. It is the mantra of "for the public good" looters in any age.
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