Sucking CO2 out of the atmosphere to create carbon nanofibers

Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 8 months ago to Technology
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Please note that I don't think its necessary to reduce CO2 in the atmosphere, and that the result could be a much colder planet with much lower food production.
that said, the technology is interesting;^)
SOURCE URL: http://www.gizmag.com/c02-atmosphere-carbon-nanofibers/39015/


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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago
    Duly noted. But the movement of agriculture north would reverse and move...rephrase would move towards the equator. Bread basket countries like Ukraine which benefited by a cyclical warming trend would lose their production to the Black Sea. But Canada would lose their production to the USA and the USA to the USM. Canada and Ukraine or Argentina and South Africa at the extremes would switch to winter wheat. the one projection I've seen for mini ice age showed a point one centigrade difference. A major ice age which is scheduled about every 12,500 years would be necessary to produce a major change in crop production, couple that with population expansion and non replacement of the Ogalla Aquifer amongst others including a change in governments several times AND the studies of those looking at the carbon pollution problem and projecting it that far ahead are ...inconclusive as compared to mother nature and whatever tricks are up her sleeve. Should it be studied? Of course. Something every farmer does every day. But the whole sale panic serves only one master and that's PT Barnum turned politician and multi millionaire.

    Note: the nanofiber information did not answer the call of the computer but the first thought came to mind without information was asbestos.
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    Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 8 months ago
    Once we find practical processes that take energy and generate large quantities of atmospheric gases, we will be able to admit there are huge potential benefits and costs to influencing the world's climate. Right now, though, the world's economy depends on burning stuff, which generates CO2, which appears to be radically influencing the climate in a costly way. The emotional easy thing to do is to just deny reality. Once these processes are practical, and I think they will be eventually, the incentive to indulge in fantasy will be gone, and we'll just adopt the processes to further human interests, and the brief (maybe 100 years?) period during which we knew about the problem but emotionally struggled to accept the reality of it will be just an odd blip in history.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 7 months ago
      It only appears to be radically influencing the climate in a costly way because the statists using it as a tool are only focusing on the negative effects.

      Setting aside arguments whether CO2 is actually causing global warming, warming would be a positive force. Matt Ridley, who calls himself a "lukewarmer" says that the projected warming is a net positive through 2080 http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/...

      We are already seeing significant greening of the planet as increased CO2 spurs plant growth.
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        Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 7 months ago
        I don't see any argument about CO2 causing global warming. The evidence is overwhelming. Sea levels rising faster than they would have otherwise due to the previous cycle of glacial maxima/minima will be very costly. The only argument part of it is that nobody likes what the evidence shows. We hope there will be some surprise, like the discovery that fatty foods are not unhealthful. For some this wishful thinking appears to be an argument.
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        • Posted by Technocracy 8 years, 7 months ago
          No the argument is not overwhelming.

          The piling on and destruction tactics of the warmists, is what is overwhelming.

          Every bit of the alleged documented change is within the margin of error of the instrumentation. Translation - statistically meaningless.
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago
          I believe the trees are at fault. they certainly produce much more of the stuff than do the bovines. Or maybe CO2 is Orwellian in nature? As for the dropping temperatures the next mini ice age is due in less than 10,000 years.What will we do then?

          No problem. Reverse the current solution where Canada grows wheat and the US grows bananas while Central America increases the production of mangos. And move the winter olympics to Carrot River.
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            Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 7 months ago
            We don't know when then next glacial maximum will occur. But we do need to learn to control these cycles because it will be cheaper than adapting to what nature gives us.
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            • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago
              That's your need. I'm reminded of the use of that word you need do this and I need you to do that. Most of the time I don't, I'll stick with the current ten thousand year prediction and remember the people who started all of this publicly 'fessed up to fudging the figures in order to obtain grant money.

              Once bit twice shy and that's not counting Rachel Carson and Al Bore..
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                Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 7 months ago
                This is simply factually false. It's just wishful thinking.
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                • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago
                  Based on????
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                  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago
                    How about begins next year and will last two hundred years?

                    http://www.express.co.uk/life-style/s...
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                    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago
                      With the regular cycle 11,500 years from now?

                      https://www.skepticalscience.com/head...
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                      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago
                        how about yes it's warming but it will not stop the next ice age?

                        http://www.technologyreview.com/artic...
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                        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 7 months ago
                          fifteen years? The point being the doom sayers are basing their theories on one set of figures which have been repudiated by those who started the whole thing and had been commented on by the originators as needing a lot more study to be of consequence

                          Which hasn't stopped Al Gore from sucking money from the unwary

                          It only takes a simiple Google check but then some still believe in balanced budgets with a surplus.

                          Always fool a lot of the people all of the time.

                          We're in one phenomenal timei period though. Without doubt it's the generations referred to by Forrest Gumps Mama.


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                          A 'mini ice age' is coming in the next 15 years

                          Solar activity is predicted to drop by 60 percent in 2030.
                          BEC CREW
                          13 JUL 2015
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                          A new model that predicts the solar cycles more accurately than ever before has suggested that solar magnetic activity will drop by 60 percent between 2030 and 2040, which means in just 15 years’ time, Earth could sink into what researchers are calling a mini ice age.

                          Such low solar activity has not been seen since the last mini ice age, called the Maunder Minimum, which plunged the northern hemisphere in particular into a series of bitterly cold winters between 1645 and 1715.

                          The prediction is based on what’s known as the Sun’s '11-year heartbeat'. The Sun’s magnetic activity is not the same year in year out, it fluctuates over a cycle that lasts between 10 and 12 years. Ever since this was discovered 172 years ago, scientists have struggled to predict what each cycle will look like.

                          But just last week at the National Astronomy Meeting in Wales, mathematics professor Valentina Zharkova from Northumbria University in the UK has presented a new model that can forecast what these solar cycles will look like based on the dynamo effects at play in two layers of the Sun. Zharkova says she can predict their influence with an accuracy of 97 percent.

                          What exactly are these so-called dynamo effects? They’re part of a geophysical theory that explains how the motion of Earth’s outer core moves conducting material, such as liquid iron, across a weak magnetic field to create an electric current. This electric current also interacts with the fluid motion below the surface of Earth to create two magnetic fields along the axis of its rotation.

                          When Zharkova’s model applied this theory to the Sun, it drew its predictions assuming that there are dynamo effects in two subterranean layers - one deep down in the convection zone, and another up near the surface, each fluctuating between the northern and southern hemispheres.

                          Zharkova explained her findings at the conference:

                          "We found magnetic wave components appearing in pairs, originating in two different layers in the Sun's interior. They both have a frequency of approximately 11 years, although this frequency is slightly different, and they are offset in time. Combining both waves together and comparing to real data for the current solar cycle, we found that our predictions showed an accuracy of 97 percent."

                          Looking at these magnetic wave patterns, the model predicted that there would be few sunspots over the next two 11-year heartbeats - called Cycle 25, which peaks in 2022, and Cycle 26, which runs from 2030 to 2040.

                          "In Cycle 26, the two waves exactly mirror each other - peaking at the same time but in opposite hemispheres of the Sun. Their interaction will be disruptive, or they will nearly cancel each other. We predict that this will lead to the properties of a 'Maunder minimum'," said Zharkova.

                          During the original Maunder Minimum, the entire River Thames froze over in England. So I guess time to get your skates ready?

                          Read these next:

                          Here are the countries most likely to survive climate change
                          Florida officials have banned the terms “climate change” and “global warming”
                          It’s official: scientists say we're entering Earth's sixth mass extinction

                          and the list grows.
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        • Posted by broskjold22 8 years, 7 months ago
          CG, I saw a clever post that global warming was a 1990's issue. That climate change was a 2000's issue. And I'm not sure what constitutes the 2010's issue. I don't want to claim to be a climate scientist, but wouldn't global warming cause water to evaporate, cause more clouds, dimming, and then reduce the amount of sunlight, thereby cooling the earth in a negative feedback loop? Also, there have to be other factors affecting the weather than the ppm of certain gases. Otherwise, why did the weather change so much before recorded history? And fats are necessary in a healthy diet. Don't be afraid to take your fish oil :)
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        • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 7 months ago
          As I said, Matt Ridley calls himself a lukewarmer because he does believe CO2 causes global warming -- and that its a good thing!

          One of the things that first caught my attention about the whole "global warming" issue is all the descriptions of terrible consequences. But I know from history that when things are warm life is generally good, crops prosper, people live better lives, exploration occurs. The era of Viking exploration when they colonized America was at a time of global warming.

          Part of the problem is not the claim of warming but the distortion of the effects, focusing only on the bad. An example he gave was the IPCC listing as a consequence the millions of people who would have lower access to water without mentioning the greater number who would have greater access. There are no positive global warming stories but there is positive global warming science.
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            Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 7 months ago
            "There are no positive global warming stories but there is positive global warming science."
            The MSM media appear not to understand it. I would not go by their stories. They tend to use it to explain weather events, which I believe is not consistent with the science. I have read about how climate change has brought farming to parts of western Greenland; so there's some critical reporting, but I agree most of it is blaming storm systems on climate change, which I think is completely unfounded.

            I think the scientific evidence is accelrating deglaciation will be a large net cost to humankind. The farming in Greenland and similar changes will not outweight the costs.
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            • Posted by 8 years, 7 months ago
              You "think" evidence is accelerating? Where's the irrefuable evidence that human activity is creating global warming? You haven't posted it because there is nothing to post except from so-called scientists with a financial interest in their conspiracy theory of global warming, which they have now re-titled "climate change" because their predictions of warming have been exposed as self-serving lies by the temperatures in the past 17 years.
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              • Posted by Technocracy 8 years, 7 months ago
                Just like the global warming came about after the "impending Ice Age" of the 60s & 70s fizzled out.
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                • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 7 months ago
                  "Just like the global warming came about after the "impending Ice Age" of the 60s & 70s fizzled out"
                  This did not happen, but new evidence shooting down old models is key to science. We actually encourage people disproving established theories. It's part of how science works. We can't just pick one answer we like and stick to it.
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              • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 7 months ago
                "Where's the irrefuable evidence that human activity is creating global warming?"
                There is no irrefutable evidence. It's just what the preponderance of evidence shows now. People's ability to deny reality when the answer is undesirable is amazing.

                "You haven't posted it because there is nothing to post except from so-called scientists with a financial interest in their conspiracy theory of global warming."
                This is almost exactly my understanding. There is a huge financial interest in burning stuff, because it powers an industrial economy, that motivates people to pose as scientists and promote a bizarre conspiracy theory that doesn't have a chance of fooling most people but may at least throw them off or confuse the issue. They're like patent medicine salesmen posing as doctors and promising a quick fix to people facing a grave illness. This is exactly how I see it.
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                • Posted by 8 years, 7 months ago
                  So you are saying that all the evidence of cooling for the past 17 years is false?
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                  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 7 months ago
                    "So you are saying that all the evidence of cooling for the past 17 years is false?"
                    That is correct. I am not a climatologist, but I know the very basics: We are in an interglacial period during an ice age. The cycle of glacial maxima and minima takes 10s of thousands of years. The glaciers have been retreating throughout recorded history, due to this cycle. This is a general trend and does not mean each century the temperature increased. Human activities are accelerating the current deglaciation trend. We know human activities play a large role, but we don't the exact percentage or what how the effects will interact with geological cycles. If the worse predictions come true, it will be very costly to fix.

                    I can't dig in deeper because I only know the basic facts.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 7 months ago
      Assuming the existing political power structure gets out of the way peacefully which isn't likely. And the scientific evidence does not support that man created co2 is harmful overall, but its a great lever to create fear and for looters to control people.
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