Judge Orders Immigrant Families Released From Detention

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 7 months ago to Government
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So this is why we have the issues we have. We have laws an d rules that say you cannot enter the country without permission, yet when people do, we have judges that overide everything and release them, or order them released. So, the Obamanation just goes to short circuit the whole mess. So even when some attempt is made, they still keep coming, knowing it will not result in any action. Essentially anarchy. And then we get looted for more to pay for it. Broken system....no wonder Trump can make it sound good when he has his simple "answers". They seem better than the reality.
SOURCE URL: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/judge-orders-immigrant-families-released-detention-33244738


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  • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 7 months ago
    Wow! Did anyone commenting here read the article (or the Judges' Order)? She was not ignoring the law, she was upholding it. Prior laws passed by the federal government and a settlement agreed to by the federal government were being violated by the federal government. The Judge called them on it. The federal government opposed the Judges' decision and is thinking of appealing it (at your expense). You may not like the laws applying to this situation (I'm with you on that) but don't blame the Judge, blame Congress and the President. This Judge did not "override everything," she followed the law being ignored by the feds. Let the flaming begin.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 7 months ago
      jabuttrick, I am not on top of all the laws 9 so many) that apply here, but I am sure for all the ones she upheld, there were a dozen she ignored. I believe it is Federal Law that any illegal immigrant must be turned over to ICE for a hearing, in SF they blatantly passed a law saying "no", and in other places, they just ignore it. Some places actually follow it.
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      • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 7 months ago
        Correct, nick. The problem here is that the hearing dates set after turn over to ICE are set years into the future. The issue then becomes what do you do with the detainee during that time? Since no finding has yet been made regarding the claims of asylum, etc. do you hold the children in custody for years waiting for the hearing? This is particularly difficult where there are known relatives in the country and/or the child is alleged not from mexico but from another country (Congress passed special laws regarding treatment of such). What a mess.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 7 months ago
          Indeed, the root cause is the governments inability to move faster than a speeding slug. Streamline the system and remove the lawyers, it should be a simple: do you have proof of legal authority to be here? (Produce green card, birth certificate, or visa). If no, out to the bus, if yes, then release. End of story.
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          • Posted by $ 8 years, 7 months ago
            Maybe i should flowchart this and send it to the D, after I copyright it.
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            • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 7 months ago
              Problems arise when claims of asylum, torture, political persecution, etc. are made. Cue the lawyers at that point and hearings must be held. But there aren't enough judges and lawyers to hear the cases promptly. Meanwhile, straight illegal entry cases are handled quickly but even there you need lawyers and judges because a crime has been committed and sentences must be imposed before deportation. As I said, what a mess.
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              • Posted by $ 8 years, 7 months ago
                One of the misconceptions I think there are is that there is a need for lawyer and judges because laws are broken. As far as I know, laws apply to US Citizens, and non us citizens are only liable after they are in the country. The act of entering is done before they are in, so I would not think it would mean they get the rights of US citizens. Of course, there is room for all kinds of abuse, which is part of the mess. But there is a simpler and easier system that could be used, if they wanted to. There are so many special interests involved, I don't think you can ever untangle it. Even Trump is just blowing his horn, he could not execute his "throw them out" plan for that reason. You are correct: it is a mess. And until it is detangled, it will continue. This judge is a good illustration of the court issue, judges (all the way up to the SCOTUS) allow their own prejudices and beliefs color their decisions. One reason justice is so skewed today.
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                • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 7 months ago
                  But if we take the position that no laws have been broken and simply turn back the intruders at the borders (which, by the way, is often done) there is no incentive to not trying again the next day and the next and the next until you luck out and get through without detection. To discourage that behavior we make illegal entry a misdemeanor and illegal re-entry a felony. To impose sentences for the violation of those laws you need some procedure, hence judges and lawyers. On the other hand, if you are saying that non-citizens have no right to due process when charged with a crime if they are here illegally, I'm afraid that runs counter to years and years of statutes and court decisions. Good luck getting that changed.
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                  • Posted by $ 8 years, 7 months ago
                    I know. It is an endless spiral. The fence/wall should help that, if they ever get to it. CA supposedly has one to AZ and it has reduced entries by 80%, I heard yesterday.
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                    • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 7 months ago
                      You heard correctly. The fence in the San Diego area has been enormously effective, The border south of SD used to be a sieve. It now haas a relatively low rate of crossers comparatively speaking.
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 7 months ago
        Here:
        In a filing late Friday, California U.S. District Judge Dolly Gee refused the government's request to reconsider her ruling in late July that children held in family detention centers after crossing the US-Mexico border illegally must be released rapidly.

        She was saying they had a settlement that required it. When a settlement is made that does not address a law, it would seem to mean the law is senior. They crossed the border illegally. I do not believe she was sticking to the law, but picking and choosing what she wanted to use.
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    • Posted by VetteGuy 8 years, 7 months ago
      After re-reading the article, I don't see anything about a law. I see a "longstanding legal agreement" and "settlement". Nothing to indicate either congress or president is to blame. See Turfprint comment (and responses). There is so much out there in the form of legal opinions that a judge can always find one to support the view they want to support.
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 7 months ago
        You got it! That is the whole issue with the legal system of looking for past decisions. What about the bad ones? Using them just perpetuates it, it should be based on a specific set of rules, and the system should be able to access, but not rely on previous rulings.
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  • Posted by Turfprint 8 years, 7 months ago
    Simple answers are what I want. Legal - Yes or No? Ski-rew all the grey thrown at us by lawyers and bleeding heart elitists who add absolutely nothing to a productive society, (except community organizing.) Social issues are for individuals not governments. Our system with its legal, intellectual, and social fog is like a dog chasing its own tail. Give me some damn common sense and NO MORE pampered Harvard, Yale, or Princeton elitists.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 7 months ago
      The cry of many, me included. Any trip to the justice system is the non drug equivelant of an LSD trip. They are all quantifiably insane. Between the buy offs, and then trying to interpret the law, and then their own "feel good" ideas, you do not have a flea fart hope of every getting a decision based on law. There is always some other decision they rely on to justify what they want to do, which is why the system is breaking down in legal anarchy.
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    • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 7 months ago
      IMO, there is more to this puppet dance of the bleeding heart indoctrinated with that activist so-called judge included.
      The string-pullers are manipulating a modern version of a Cloward & Piven in an attempt to collapse the system while creating new Hispanic voters to help back up whatever socialist nightmare results.
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 7 months ago
    Does anyone think for a minute that Zero's administration did not want the judge to order the illegal immigrant families released from detention? This was part of the plan from the beginning.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 7 months ago
      Yes, I am sure the memo went out to all of them, and the stuff they make up to justify it is absurd. They should just say the "O Man" wants it, of just quote Executive Order XXXXX since they seem to have the force of law, illegal or not.
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