What is the philosophy of Moti Mizrahi, new FIT professor? Is Objectivism theory-laden?

Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 8 months ago to Philosophy
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Zenphamy asked for an elevation of the discussion away from politics and more toward philosophy recently.

I know I said I was going to not be in the Gulch for a while. However, my university just hired Moti Mizrahi, and I am trying to understand him and his relationship or lack thereof to Objectivism. I talked with him very briefly today, after hearing that he was going to be our new philosophy of science professor. Just out of curiosity, I asked him who his favorite philosopher was. I was hoping he would say himself. He pointed to a philosophy professor also at my university that I did not yet know. Interestingly, he writes on his own web site, "There is no authority except yourself."

In one of Mizrahi's abstracts in the link above, Mizrahi writes,
"In this paper, I argue that the ultimate argument for Scientific Realism, also known as the No-
Miracles Argument (NMA), ultimately fails as an abductive defence of Epistemic Scientific
Realism (ESR), where (ESR) is the thesis that successful theories of mature sciences are
approximately true. The NMA is supposed to be an Inference to the Best Explanation (IBE)
that purports to explain the success of science. However, the explanation offered as the best
explanation for success, namely (ESR), fails to yield independently testable predictions ...".

http://philosopherscocoon.typepad.com...
describes how Mizrahi debunks the argument for the existence of a deity based on the observation that Jews have survived despite thousands of years of persecution.

I was hoping to discuss Objectivism with Dr. Mizrahi, but I admit I need some help here, preferably from some of our philosphers. I know that expert opinion does not form the basis for good argumentation. In fact, that is the subject of one of Mizrahi's papers.

On to the 2nd question:
"Theory-ladenness of observation holds that everything one observes is interpreted through a prior understanding of other theories and concepts." from
http://www.rit.edu/cla/philosophy/qui...

Numerous web sites show philosophers (not Mizrahi) attempting to discredit Objectivism using this argument. After having read those attempts to discredit Objectivism, I find their arguments rather weak at discrediting Objectivism. Have people observed Objectivists who filter observations through an Objectivst lens? Even if true, this doesn't discredit Objectivism necessarily, but it would be a weakness that I want to avoid in my own life.

I am going to throw this one out there, but not further comment. I will let you debate this amongst yourselves, and learn some about a subject that I readily admit that I am no expert in.
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 8 months ago
    Hmm, Saying that Objectivist are tainted by Objectivism is self defeating... seems to me that being 'Objective' is to just see what is 'There', what is present, what is the process or the cause; and not tainting that process or observation with prior knowledge, theories or concepts. Being able to do this is what I and Mark Hamilton call: Wide Scope Accountability. [I give it a proper definition in my book] Once one articulates only what has been observed it may be necessary to use the metaphors of other concepts to get others to understand but those metaphors are not what was observed.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      I agree. I want to look at raw data, and draw my own conclusions. Thus far, those conclusions are largely consistent with those of Objectivism. One thing that a scientist must always avoid is biasing the interpretation of results, and I am making sure that I check my own premises.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 8 months ago
    The philosophy of science is dominated by the problem of induction (I posted a book review of David Harriman’s book on this point – excellent read). Karl Popper provided his pseudo solution, which was that science gropes toward better approximations and that the difference between science and non-science is that a scientific is falsifiable. However, science never provides us with real knowledge.

    This paper (Why the Ultimate Argument for Scientific Realism Ultimately Fails) is about Epistemic Scientific Realism and the no-miracles argument for ESR. The NMA is explained as no-miracles argument’, after Putnam's (1975, p. 73) claim that realism ‘is the only philosophy that doesn't make the success of science a miracle’ (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy). Mizrahi is arguing against the NMA as justification for ESR. From my reading about scientific realism in the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy it appears that ESR attempts to solve the problem of induction with this idea that we infer to the best (closest fit) answer. I would consider this just Karl Popper updated although I think philosophers who pursue this area would argue that they are just describing what scientists actually do.

    In my opinion a lot of the non-sense in this area is the result of defining knowledge as essentially omniscience or perfect knowledge. I would define knowledge as information and concepts that explain reality. As a result, knowledge is always contextual. For instance, it is not wrong or shows a lack of knowledge to assume the Earth is flat if I am building a standard house. If you don’t get this guy to agree that knowledge is not omniscience (perfect knowledge) you will never have a useful discussion with him.
    Second of all you will have to get him to agree that A is A and that A is knowable. Most likely this guy is a Platonist of one sort or another where at best we see the world through a fog. If the law of identity holds and we can trust our senses (again this does not mean they are infallible – that would violate the law of identity) then induction reasoning is perfectly valid. Identity implies causation and causation means that we can trust our senses. It also means there is only one reality (I call this the uniqueness theorem) and therefore there is a correct description of reality, however that description is always contextual since knowledge is contextual.

    My guess is that this guy believes he is a friend of science and his approach is to describe/observe what scientists actually do. Probably the best thing you could do is give him a copy of David Harriman’s book The Logical Leap: Induction in Physics http://www.amazon.com/Logical-Leap-In.... Then discuss these issues in the context of this book. Anything else is likely to be frustrating. Although he might be willing to interview about what you do under the idea that he is gathering information on how science really works.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      Thanks for the education and the advice, db. I am sure that I was not adequately prepared to defend Objectivism against

      From what I read of his work, yes, it does appear that he considers himself of a friend of science and that his approach is to describe/observe what scientists actually do. He broke the scientific method down into four steps that conceptually I agreed with. There were some items that sounded Objectivist and others that definitely did not. I really was not quite sure what I would be going up against. Reading through what he wrote gave me a better appreciation for Objectivism's combination of simplicity and general applicability. Mizrahi's arguments seemed reasonable. Somehow, however, they seemed hollow, and I really couldn't pinpoint why I felt that way. Thanks again, db.
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      • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 8 months ago
        I had to read up on Popper. But he is best understood by first understanding David Hume and the is-ought problem. David Harriamn's book is a great introduction and in the context of the history of science.
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    • Posted by philosophercat 8 years, 8 months ago
      Woops a big problem...Harriman's book does not deal with the issues and confines itself to Newtonian physics which does not apply to life and is not universal. Harriman says induction is the reverse of concept formation as defined by Rand and Peikoff. He is correct but he cannot explain how induction occurs in the real mind. So do not use Harriman to debate or discuss science philosophy with Mizrahi.
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      • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 8 months ago
        How does that not deal with the problem of induction?
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        • Posted by philosophercat 8 years, 8 months ago
          Db There are two problems of induction; the logical validation as theory and the cognitive process by which one does it. Harriman addresses the validation issue and correctly states that induction logically is the reverse of concept formation but he cant explain, and doesn't try, to explain how one does it. This issue was addressed by Bacon and Whewell but Harriman ignores them because he claims they represent induction as a mental phenomena. It is but explaining it goes into the nature of consciousness. I could go on but ask more questions if you want more.
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          • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 8 months ago
            There are two issues about the process of induction. Induction is the process of validating conclusions based on the law of identity and non-contradiction IMHO. Whether someone uses this process (or claims to) when they discover something (benzine ring) or not is less important than whether the answer can be validated with induction.

            We have this problem in patent law, where people try to argue that an invention is defined by how it was arrived at. That is irrelevant to the question of whether something is an invention. In this case the question is about whether a conclusion can be justified by induction. Whether the person used the right inductive method to originally come to the conclusion is much less important.
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    • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 8 months ago
      You disdain the concept of "perfect knowledge" but if knowledge determined by induction is imperfect then you have the possibility that the thing you know today will not be true tomorrow. This is a situation that happens frequently in sciences as new data arises.

      To use the word "know" implies a level of certainty that can be counted on to retain its validity.
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  • Posted by Maritimus 8 years, 8 months ago
    Hello, J,

    Thank you for posting this and starting the discussion. This set of comments is much more interesting to me than the usual venting of helpless outrage at politicians or numerous attempts to prove Ayn Rand wrong in denying the existence of gods.

    Again, thank you very much.

    P.S. Did you notice that there is not a single ad hominem in these comments?
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      My self-interest in this discussion about Prof. Mizrahi is that I advertised that I was educating future Galts. If I am, then such future Galts ought to take a Philosophy of Science class, or at least a Bioethics class. I need to know this so that I can be truthful in my advertising.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 8 months ago
    Much of the confusion about objective reality stems from a failure to distinguish between what something is and what something does. Scientific experimentation and observation provide a metric for what something does, as such these are measures of behavior. We can speculate as to what the underlying mechanism might be to produce such behavior and we can perform additional tests to see if our model of that mechanism produces observable results. In this way underlying reality can be thought of as the contents of a box that exhibits certain observable properties. It is the box that we see and not its contents. We can develop a "theory of the enclosure" but if we cannot open the box the true mechanism will remain unknown.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      Well said. This is why I am working on the elucidation of how materials self-assemble, so that I can understand the true mechanism - and then build off of that.
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      • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 8 months ago
        You might want to take a look at "spontaneous order". It is a process that is suggested by Adam Smith's "unseen hand" and appears to be very real in both classical and quantum physics. Quarks combine to form subatomic particles, subatomic particles combine to form atoms, atoms combine to form chemical compounds and so on. There is a set of possible configurations, some of which are stable and many are not. The process of complex systems stemming from simple ones appears to be a part of the natural order of things and does not violate entropy.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
          Thanks, ProfChuck. I am familiar with "spontaneous order". It is quite relevant.
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          • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 8 months ago
            Spontaneous order in economics is an attempt to undermine individualism. It suggests a collective will randomly do the right thing. This is nonsense. It is only true when property rights (properly understood) exist - are protected

            Do you see any spontaneous order in nomadic tribes of Africa? Or the head hunters in the south pacific?
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            • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
              Yes, I do see spontaneous order in those communities. Such order is dictated by force. If you disagree with the leader, you get the "Queen of Hearts" treatment. Off with your head! Order is established quite quickly, but no production ever happens. How shocking! ;)
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        • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 8 months ago
          Spontaneous order is interesting but secondary in economics to more important points

          Ray Kurzweil has a extensive discussion of spontaneous order and concludes it is interesting, but it never gets beyond a certain threshold.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 8 months ago
    Why debate such a person. He is into deliberately obtuse principles that only befit a modern university professor (translation- useless). Makes me think colleges today are worthless
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 8 months ago
    I do not know the university you are associated with but they made a mistake in hiring this fellow. When all is said and done there will still be one philosophy that is worth living by "Objectivism".
    From what I read of this fellow it is mere gibberish. You should direct him to The Objectivist web site that was posted yesterday. Maybe he will have the capacity to learn.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
      Hello Wiggys:
      I agree, BUT
      Humanity is so diverse and complex that no single set of truths will cover it all. If this guy has new insights, or truths, I'd be interested in them. Also, because he has a reputation, I want to know what he says even if he's full of crap, because that lets me know what's going on currently. From your posts, I know you are an intelligent person, so don't let yourself become concretized. Keep an open mind and mental tentacles reaching out in the world.
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      • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 8 months ago
        Herb,
        I just yesterday saw 1961 and 1962 of AR's FFH talks and also just finished "THE AYN RAND COLUMN" book of her articles that appeared in the LA times in 1962. If I had any doubts what so ever about Objectivism and the incredible brilliance of Ayn Rand reading and listening to her from almost 60 years ago was enough to solidify my belief that Objectivism is singularly the only philosophy for one to live by. All of what I read and heard applies to what is going on today in our sorry world.
        jbrenner says this fellow didn't have much knowledge of Rand and he is considered a teacher of philosophy(?) so I discount the man in the field of philosophy completely, he offers nothing but gibberish.
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        • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
          OK
          I've probably got all of the Rand stuff in their originally published form. Only because I was in the same position you are in but from '58 onward. A.R. was brilliant. what she wrote changed lives and illuminated the shadows cast by most modern philosophers. But she was just a human being, and as such was no goddess. Be careful not to deify her because her philosophy is so powerful. I'm sure that almost everyone in the Gulch has had their lives greatly influenced by her.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      I was not on the hiring committee and didn't know about his hiring until this week. Admittedly, he didn't have much knowledge of Rand. He will now. I'll give him a little leeway ... for now.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 8 months ago
    The article about god illustrates my points. Mizrah attacks the argument for the existence of god because of Jewish survival. He is right the argument is poor, but he uses this best explanation (IBE) test, which is update Karl Popper. So this article confirms my thoughts in about the first paper.
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    • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
      The Jewish Survival.
      What a potboiler piece of crap. What loving father would put his kids through that? Like the wise old rabbi said, "I know we are the Chosen People, but please dear God, next time, please choose someone else."
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
        On this point, Mizrahi's argument is reasonable, and I think you misunderstood what db said. Mizrahi says that just because the Jews have survived does not mean that God exists. I know I have punished my own kids for deliberately disobeying what I have told them to do (or not do) when they were young enough not to know better. However, the exiles obviously were quite the punishment for those who believe that.
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        • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
          I was agreeing with Mizrahi that Jewish survival had nothing to do with Heavenly intervention. Looking at it now, I see that it could be taken the way you did. My passion often overrides my communication skills.
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          • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
            OK. You came to the same conclusions. No harm, no foul. Sorry.
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            • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
              Nothing to be sorry about. I learned something. Hopefully, I'll do a better job expressing myself. To me, the Gulch is like a delicious meal, but I've got to be careful not to consume too fast or I'll need a Rolaid. (Damn, I love metaphors and aphorisms.)
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 8 months ago
    2nd Question: At some point this idea relies on the idea that there is not an objective reality (subjectivism). Of course we interpret the world based on what we know. The most interesting points in science happen when we find out that the experiment does not comport with these concepts. For instance, when we find out that a feather falls as fast as a lead ball in a vacuum, but that was not what we expected, then we have learned something important.
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 8 months ago
    He appears to make the same mistake as Popper and many others. His definition of knowledge is Omniscience. I will take a look at this in more detail over the weekend.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      After a few minutes of looking through Popper's arguments, the comparison of Mizrahi to Popper is a good first approximation.
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      • Posted by philosophercat 8 years, 8 months ago
        Popper is concerned with verification and when he ran into a blank wall came up with "falsification" which is anti induction. A better start is the analytic-synthetic dichotomy (See Peikoff) Where scientists divorced themselves from the metaphysics rampant in Germany (Heidegger) and tried to create scientific realism. Quine destroyed this attempt showing there was no distinction between analytic tautologies and synthetic factual statements. The entire problem hinges around the inability of the philosophers and scientists of the 20th century to reduce concepts to observation. So the analytics could not make true statements about reality, and the synthetics could not explain how to get a concept from observation. Read Locke and Rand's IOE. Neither Popper nor more importantly Quine could link words to reality. They place knowledge as only in sentences which obtain their meaning only from the relationship to other sentences. While this sounds like Peikoff "all knowledge is contextual" it really means there is no knowledge contained in a single sentence of just a subject and a predicate reducible to reality. The key question to ask Mizrahi is does he agree with Locke and Rand that all knowledge comes from experience and that all terms must be reducible to reality? He will explain that all concepts including scientific are approximations with only a probability of being truthful. Then ask about the multiple worlds explanation of probabilities and see if he holds that is true. If so then he is a long way from a coherent view of concepts. That is your starting point. Are we tabula rasa and choose the content of our minds or where do concepts come from? Rand was clear we form concepts from our observation of the world and she shoed how it is done. His best reading material if you want to help or challenge is Binswanger's "How We Know" which walks you through the concept formation process and into broad valid abstraction. I am delivering a paper next month on this problem in the work of Catherine Elgin on W.V. O. Quine and the problem of empiricism. I take the Locke/Peikoff/Rand position vs 20th century philosophy. Read Binswanger yourself and I can show you where he goes wrong but on the whole it is excellent.
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