Judicial Watch: IRS Produces Recovered Lerner Emails

Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 8 months ago to Government
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Your government in action: The mounds of evidence showing how they were intentionally taking action against specific political groups mounts and mounts, yet there is no actioon by either Justice or Ethics on doing anything substantial but grandstanding. I wonder if this has been part and parcel of every administration, and the employees just change their flags of allegiance to suit the animal in the white house. It seems hard to believe they stacked the IRS with democratic sympathizers in a few short years, because that would mean they dumped a whole bunch of republicrats to make room. Seems sort of weird to be able to find the right people to do your dirty work. More pages from AS....
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  • Posted by SaltyDog 8 years, 8 months ago
    The one single thing that the IRS has always had going for it was that the perception was that everyone got screwed equally, regardless of political allegiance. I think I'm safe in saying that's gone for good, never to return. The public in general will be unified in playing keep away from them. This specifically is why I believe that there's such a push on from Washington to gain access to all of our financial transactions at every level.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      You are correct, the revelation that they did what should be illegal (political targeting) has done an immeasurable amount of damage to their appearance as unbiased. And more access to our records means more material to work with in many respects, including "pressure" to conform or contribute.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 8 months ago
      For me, it was "gone for good" back in the '70s, when Nixon had the IRS audit people on his "enemies list." How times have (not) changed!
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 8 months ago
        How did that make him different from any other President? If it lwalks, talks, and sounds like a Democrat it could very well be a Republican - and vice versa. All left wing socialist fascists. Sorry. All Smiley Face left wing socialist fascists.
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      • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
        Indeed, however, I think there are similar examples going back much further. Roosevelt had his own methods of dealing with those he found impeding his programs, his VP of 1944 was tossed aside for Truman. Madison and Jefferson both had their own battles with opposite philosophy's and the New England states actually supported the British, or at least tried to strangle the union financially to support their own aims. The growth of the bureaucracy starting in the 30's led to the whole "government worker" caste that seems to now be able to switch hats a a moments notice and apply the leaderships retribution on the losers. In all cases, it is force inflicted on individuals by a government entity.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 8 months ago
    With Justice being run by an ideologue only interested in protecting insiders, it is no wonder at all.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      Again, right on, the sheer "pick and choose" performance of the last 6 years is as damaging as the IRS thing is to them, yet they are so arrogant as to believe that it is of no consequence.
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      • Posted by SaltyDog 8 years, 8 months ago
        In the short term Nick, it truly is of no consequence to them, and short term is as far as their myopic world view allows the to see. Government in general is completely different from us in that we care what we do today because we want to make things at least a little better for our successors. That thought is completely alien to politicians and bureaucrats, despite their rhetoric; they think only as far as their next meal.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
          You, sir, are a scholar and a gentleman. You are also right. My observations exactly and well put.I won't get started on the alien thing though..shapeshifters and all...
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 8 months ago
    If you expect "equal justice for all" under this administration, you're going to be massively disappointed. The IRS has always operated on the edge of legitimacy, but under the Obama Regime it has become an out and out criminal organization.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 8 months ago
    the head of the snake changes with the administration, and
    the body just follows along. . political organizations are inherently
    loyal-or-else, in my experience. . I worked for a prime contractor
    for 33 years, and the political winds blew no good!!! -- j
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      I just cannot figure out though, how did they change out the management? Is it always a wholesale slaughter after every election? These guys were bound and determined to screw the Conservatives, no matter what laws or rules were broken. So the infamous government ethics code is nonexistent. So party affiliation seems the criteria for work, and that is what is so bizarre in this.
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      • Posted by johnpe1 8 years, 8 months ago
        DOE governed us, at the manhattan project site y12, and when
        the election was over, the whole organization rapidly aligned
        with the new regime. . change out the head few and the rest conform.
        that's my experience. . political appointees at the top control it all. -- j
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  • Posted by NealS 8 years, 8 months ago
    So far this scenario from the start is making me want to throw up. How could our government get so corrupt right under our noses? Where are the demonstrations?
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    • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 8 months ago
      Has it ever NOT been corrupt?
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      • Posted by NealS 8 years, 8 months ago
        It's never been as corrupt as it is now, that's for sure. It's almost like there are no honest politicians what so ever. We may need to stop paying them to serve us. I wonder if Hillary would want the job if it didn't pay anything at all. But I also think Mitt would have done it for nothing. He should have used that as his campaign message.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
          I am not so sure Neal, the FBI kept files on people who the administration wanted done in, Hoover was famous for his secret files. Oppenheimer was drummed out because some other goober hated the fact he was successful in a thermonuclear as well as nuclear device. I am not sure if we have had any "honest" politicians, because the very nature of "democracy" means you have to pursuade some people to your side, and buying and selling votes has been a tool for a very, very long time. My guess is George Washington, may, and I am not sure, have been our only "honest" politician, only because he didn't want it, didn't ask for it, and was only interested because they told him he was the only one who could pull the various factions together. That is why I never believe a word any politician says, they are worse then used car sales people (not slighting used car sales people on purpose, some are really good and nice).
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            Posted by Hiraghm 8 years, 8 months ago
            "...they are worse then used car sales people (not slighting used car sales people on purpose, some are really good and nice). "

            OMG.. the amount of political correctness overloaded my sense of tranquility.

            used car... salesMEN. And leave out the caveat about nice car sales living beings; it's a stereotype. It's not supposed to be considerate of people's feelings.
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 8 months ago
    Absolute power corrupts. This institution need to go.

    Eliminate the IRS via a flat rate tax on corporations, persons, capital gains, et al.
    Negative rate to provide welfare, with nominal zero set at a "poverty level, and the negative rate set such that there remains an incentive to earn more.
    Balanced budget amendment.
    Should we eliminate non-profit status altogether?
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    • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 8 months ago
      I think this would be simpler:

      Eliminate the income tax entirely, both for individuals and companies. Eliminate all payroll taxes too.
      I'm tempted to say replace them with nothing (we had more than enough government in 1911).
      If we do replace it, institute a simple sales tax, limited in the constitution to 10%, with all food, clothing, shelter, and medicine being exempt.

      Balanced budget amendment -- with teeth. (Meaning outlays are limited to last year's actual receipts, not some estimate of this year's receipts.)

      Eliminating non-profit status is a bad idea. Indeed, all political speech ought to be tax-exempt for the same reason religions are tax-exempt.
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      • Posted by Hiraghm 8 years, 8 months ago
        I agree except.. no exemptions.
        Any sales tax must be the same percentage for all products of all kinds, with no additional taxes piled on. This will eliminate the ability to use taxation for behavior coercion.
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        • Posted by $ jdg 8 years, 8 months ago
          The idea of exempting food, clothing, shelter, and medicine is to tax only disposable income. The poor would go untouched, without any need for them to register for and receive an annual government payment as is included in the "Fair Tax" proposal.
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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 8 months ago
    The deck against conservatives has been stacked over decades. The tribe of unelected bureaucratic mandarins have always been in favor of job security, so a constantly-growing government has been the result.

    The so-called civil "servants" could care less about the people they are supposed to serve. You can occasionally find a government employee who sincerely believes their job is to help the taxpayer, but they either get run off, or have their integrity stomped out of them before they infect others with their honesty.

    The elected, or those chosen by the elected, are kept in their delusions of control. Condoleeza Rice disclosed the incestuous nature of agency politics when she told us that she was shocked to discover that even as Secretary of State she didn't have the power to fire, demote, or reassign a department employee. She could make recommendations, but they had to be approved by a board of review, made up of department senior civil servants.

    JFK helped create this nightmare when he authorized government employee unions, in spite of FDR's warnings against allowing them. The only way out of this mess is wholesale slaughter of the larger agencies, and revoking the government employee unions credentials.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      I agree with your statement, My experience is they do not care, I had a specific case of fraud and perjury in a bankruptcy falsely filed to protect themselves from a judgement, and the Federal prosecutor said "it's only one creditor" (because they didn't bother to list the other 10 or so), and when I asked him "since you have defined small perjury, what constitutes big perjury, where you will enforce the law?" he hung up. Your tax-dollars at work, selective enforcement of laws that are basically useless for honest ruling of a society and are only implemented for political gain. That is just one small example. The IRS thing shows how a whole segment can be hijacked for the looters use when desired. Bad for us, good for them.
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    • Posted by hattrup 8 years, 8 months ago
      ..."She could make recommendations, but they had to be approved by a board of review, made up of department senior civil servants"
      and this was never changed when the Republicans
      (conservatives?) controlled the Senate, House, and Exec branch from 2005-2007.... and House and Senate from 1995-2001
      (not that you accused Republicans of being conservative, btw).
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      • Posted by DrZarkov99 8 years, 8 months ago
        Congress can't legislate Federal hiring practices easily, as both Democrat and Republican representatives have discovered. Unions and lobbyists unashamedly threaten withdrawal of support, and activist media set out to destroy a politician who attempts to make "radical" changes.

        Dan Goldin, who had popular support from both Democrat and Republican sides of Congress as the new NASA administrator who could put new spirit back into that agency, failed. His failure wasn't because of lack of ability or leadership, but because that agency had built unassailable support for the numerous fiefdoms (Houston, Huntsville, e.g.) in the NASA kingdom. All the entrenched mandarins had to do was scream to local media about how Goldin was going to destroy jobs in their area, and the Representatives and Senators of those municipalities/states put up barriers to all of his proposals to streamline the agency.

        Historians tell us that one of the biggest mistakes China made was to cease its world exploration in the 15th century and withdraw, isolating itself at a point when it was a superpower. The mandarins, China's bureaucratic administrative "shadow kingdom", caused that grievous error, and the U.S. is becoming a victim of that same kind of creation.
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        • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
          Yep. pretty accurate, I think. Especially the China part, as there is signifigant evidence they were all over the world at one point, the Emperors 1,000 ship fleet seemed to touch every shore. Lots of artifacts now being discovered in the Northwest, indicating they were trading with the Natives back to the 1100-1500 period. I am waiting for them to uncover a Native American artifact in China and prove it. But that is indeed the problem with any "cuts". The aerospace industry went through all that in the 70's and 80's. And when the lobbyists come calling, magic funding appears for whatever group was being chopped and it gets renamed, reordered and beefed up.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 8 years, 8 months ago
    The stonewalling has been so transparent thus far.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      Indeed, with all the evidence, and known facts, nothing has been done about it, and nothing probably will be. As long as it was done to the "right" people, most americans couldn't give a hoot less, they will still vote for them, because they were "their" corrupt IRS people who did it to "them". The root of our destruction is our lack of ethical values, bad is bad only when it happens to one of ours, and if any one else, well, they probably deserved it and it didn't matter because they hate abortion. Crazy...
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  • Posted by walkabout 8 years, 8 months ago
    Unfortunately bureaucracies -- all bureaucracies -- are staffed by people who believe in bureaucracy. I was going to say, "they are top down thinkers," but the truth is they are not thinkers at all. They are followers. They don't think, and may be incapable of thinking, that the leader is not leading them in the right direction.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 8 months ago
      But still, it is a wonder they would go after a specific group, unless somehow the Dems changed out the management, which is amazing given the fact a bureaucrat lifespan is about a million years...
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