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Oxi! Greece’s 9.0 Earthquake, by Robert Gore

Posted by straightlinelogic 8 years, 9 months ago to Government
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It is impossible to overstate the significance of Greece’s “Oxi,” or No vote. It puts into stark relief a simple proposition: governments propose, the citizens whose labors fund them dispose. In this case the government in question was not the Greek government, but supranational institutions: the European Commission, the European Central Bank, and the International Monetary Fund, known collectively as the Troika. It is symbolically fitting that in a simple exercise of direct democracy, voters in its cradle rejected the Troika’s proposal of rescue loans without debt relief, coupled with a package of reforms. Leaving aside questions of fair dealing—neither side has clean hands—the vote shows that the financial foundation of government does indeed rest on the consent of the governed. Beyond the immediate chaos and longer-term ramifications, it was this realization that prompted the hysterical panic, prior to the vote, of the powers that be, in Europe and beyond. After the vote, panic gives way to terror.

Not that they should be surprised. History is littered with regimes in which the productive people who were to support the rulers’ grand schemes, burdened with too much debt and taxes, said “Oxi”. The joke in the old USSR: they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work. Usually there is no vote to register the sentiment—there certainly wasn’t in the USSR—but when work is punished rather than rewarded, people stop working and governments collapse. The Greeks watched their economy shrink and unemployment climb under Troika-mandated austerity, and were facing decades of debt servitude. A default and exit from the EU will be no picnic. Alexis Tsirpas' Syriza socialists will get acquainted with the realities of no credit (unless Russia or China comes through), reinstatement of a drachma that nobody inside or outside Greece will trust, and only what it can generate in economic activity going forward to fund their redistributive proclivities and the rest of the government, assuming Greek aversion to paying taxes can be overcome. In other words, Greeks will be starting from zero, but in their collective judgement, zero is better than negative—clawing out from a deep debt and austerity hole.

The key word here is repudiation, and the way is now clear for the government of Greece to repudiate hundreds of billions of euros of debt with the clear support of its citizens. For a breakdown of potential creditor losses, see “How a Greek Default Could Hammer Bonds, by Carl Weinberg” SLL, 7/5/15, and “Good On You, Greece—But Don’t Waver Now (Part 2),” by David Stockman," SLL, 7/4/15. For a description of the financial ripple effects, see “Crisis Progress Report (8): Acceleration,” SLL, 7/2/15. There is indeed a limit to how much debt and taxes can be piled on the serfs, in Greece and elsewhere. Governments propose; the serfs dispose, and the Greeks may have just disposed of not just a mountain of debt, but the whole creaky apparatus of the EU. They will serve as an example for other political parties across Europe—now termed extremist but perhaps soon to be mainstream. Will youth in developed countries around the world, faced with shrinking economies and bleak job markets, but also charged with paying their elders’ “entitlements” and servicing their elders’s debt, get ideas? Don’t bet against it.

SLL is going to venture out on a limb and predict that the Greek vote represents two apexes: peak debt and peak government. The people have spoken. Congratulations, Greece.
SOURCE URL: http://straightlinelogic.com/2015/07/05/oxi-the-greeks-9-0-earthquake-by-robert-gore/


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  • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 9 months ago
    The problem is it's not a case of the citizens who's labors fund them. It's a case of the citizens who have spent a long time getting benefits for nothing.

    The idea that austerity -- that you have to actually make the money that you are spending is the evil holding back the productive people is ludicrous.

    If they were all that productive, they would be funding the pensions of Italy -- and demanding austarity.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
      When the US's credit cards all limit out and we find ourselves in a similar situation, am I, a productive individual and life-long taxpayer going to consider myself responsible for the government's debt? Not a chance, and if presented with an opportunity to repudiate, I will repudiate. I would assume there will be some rough, but not perfect, justice: those who have been getting something for nothing will be stiffed, and I and my progeny will no longer be debt slaves. Greece as a country certainly deserves a fair share of the blame for its plight, but why productive Greeks must doom themselves to debt serfdom to pay debt incurred by corrupt governments to buy votes and distribute payoffs to cronies, I just don't see.

      The Europen institutions deserve blame as well. The 2010 "rescue" actually transferred most Greek debt from European banks to the Troika institutions, where losses could be socialized. It was clear then, and I and many others said so then, that Greece could not pay its debt, but their total debt was increased. The 2012 rescue did impose some haircuts, but only on private creditors, not the supranational institutions. Just as hard-working Americans have been used and abused by its government, so too has the average hard-working Greek been used an abused by its government and the Troika. Keep in mind that Troika austerity has destroyed the Greek economy and driven unemployment to depression levels, especially among the young. You would have a better argument if that kind of austerity ever worked, but it rarely has. The first thing the IMF in particular insists on is both consumption and income tax increases. All Greeks cannot be freeloaders. The freeloaders will be punished regardless of the outcome; there is simply no more money to freeload. However, the Greeks have opted to start from zero, with all its negative consequences, rather than put themselves in a hole from which they will never emerge. They have also said, decisively, that they, not the Troika institutions, will run their country and make their own decisions. They are preserving their sovereignty. I think Americans will face the same choice somewhere down the line, and I know the way I would vote--not that we'll ever be given that opportunity.
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      • Posted by SaltyDog 8 years, 9 months ago
        Greece can, if she remembers how, pick herself up by her own bootstraps.

        Greece is a country with an enormous coastline, and a longstanding tradition of knowing how to use it. She should go back to her roots...fishing, ship building, seafaring and all of the attendant industries that grow up around it. As a side bonus, the winners of this crisis will be able to repudiate the nation's absurd debt...the maritime trades are ideally suited to moving money and assets globally very easily.

        Now the only question is are there enough people with the will to do it...
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 9 months ago
    One pillar of the Parthenon today, followed by Spain, Portugal, and several other countries in the not too distant future. My Greek boss came to the US to avoid what the collapse of that economy. It isn't long until the collapse starts in earnest here, too.

    Get those escape plans ready.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 9 months ago
      What would be wildly ironic, hilarious actually, would be if the Greeces, after a wicked tumble, got up, dusted themselves off, got their spending in order, and made a go of it without the EU. Not saying it's going to happen, Syriza is, after all, socialist, but it would certainly be amusing if it did.
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      • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 9 months ago
        That will not happen in Greece. President Zero would be considered a moderate in Greece, according to my boss. Greece is now nothing but looters and moochers. The producers are all gone.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 9 months ago
          Sounds like Atlas. Can the Greeks realize their predicament and find a way to interest outside investments? Many collapsed economies find a way. What is the Greek natural resource worthy of investment?
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          • Posted by $ jbrenner 8 years, 9 months ago
            The Greeks realize their predicament and are counting on us to provide more to mooch from. They hope we don't realize our predicament and are expecting to us to provide sanction.
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          • Posted by Bobhummel 8 years, 9 months ago
            Anything that is of value or potential value in Greece, the German's already own.
            The only thing that is left are unfinished Greek homes and buildings to avoid the tax burden of a redistributionist socialist government.
            Cheers
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  • Posted by SaltyDog 8 years, 9 months ago
    When all of the rhetoric is done, the member states of the EU will realize that if Greece goes, so goes any chance of getting their money back. It's not as if any of them can file a mechanic's lien. If Greece would come to it's collective senses, an admitted long shot, they would reorganize the drachma and would be in a pretty good bargaining position in a year or two. That would require the realization that they've made a giant 'dirt' sandwich, and EVERYONE must take a big bite. One wonders now if the EU is going to look to the U.S. for a bailout...not as far fetched as one would imagine.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago
      Not their money. Some of it is for sure but that''s only a few countries like Germany. Chances are most of what went and is going to Greece will be Obama Funny Money. The only way that won't happen is if he realizes the difference between cafe Greco and cafe turkos and sticks with his own side.
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      • Posted by Bobhummel 8 years, 9 months ago
        Great cafe observation MA. Both taste the same, but one of the cultures openly hates the Jewish state of Israel, just like POTUS.
        Cheers
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago
          Isn't that official US Government policy now anyway? Always wondered why that culture supported the party whose base philosophy killed them by the millions. Did a bit of research it's truly amazing . they are about 90% lemmings.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 9 months ago
      Seems like they could enjoy making the banksters take the first big bite. Of course it was money created from nothing so the banksters will just make more and the rest of the world will take the hit just as the banksters planned when they made the loans.
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      • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago
        lest we forget. Banksters or corporatists are partners with politicos or statists. And the IMF portion is largely a government run deal. This amount though is paltry compared to what they flushed down the toilet in Russia. Still it's all socialists sticking together looting and mooching.
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  • Posted by $ blarman 8 years, 9 months ago
    So here's some perspective by someone who actually lived in Greece for two years.

    In Athens, a murder made front-page headlines for days. Even though it was a city of 10 million when I was there, violent crime (rape, murder) was extremely rare. Petty theft, however, was rampant. The common mindset of most of the merchants was that if they thought they could get away with it, they would try. As one example, I was trolling through one of the merchant bazarres/tourist traps in central Athens called the Plaka. It was the slow season and he tried to engage me in English to buy some of his wares. No prices were marked. I had already been to this very shop only a few months earlier so I knew what the prices should have been. He gave me a couple of prices (again in English) that were obviously marked up. So I responded in Greek and told him I was surprised because the last time I had come in they had been lower. He just stood there flabbergasted: for one that I actually spoke Greek far better than the average tourist, but also because he knew he'd just gotten caught with his pants down. He recovered pretty quickly, however, and apologized and I did end up bargaining with him for a tavli set (backgammon).

    The people LOVE socialism - or at least the ones getting government handouts do. The best jobs in Greece were those working for the government because they meant a permanent, steady income for very little actual work and you couldn't get fired. A typical government work day started around 8 am, broke for lunch at around 1 pm and ... never resumed. Add to that the fact that 2 out of 5 days during any given week were religious holidays and it was a looter's paradise.

    While I was there, I watched a garbage strike, a teacher's union strike, a transportation strike, and a students' strike. What would happen was that when one of those main public unions got a raise or some benefit, the next one in line would strike til they got it, etc. I could deal with a transportation strike (buses and trolleys were sporadic) and I didn't really care about the student strike (it was mainly just a big anti-America rally with burning flags, etc. in front of the main university). The teachers' union strike affected some of the people I knew because it closed down the schools for a week or so. But the garbage strike was just nasty. Especially just after it rained really heavily. Some of the underpasses became impasses. (pun intended)

    Oh, and if you try to build anything there, good luck. Excavating any footings requires oversight by the Department of Antiquities. I counted several brand new high rises which had been halted mid construction because some worker kicked up a pottery shard. And those delays would last for years. I was frankly amazed that they were able to hold the Olympics there at all - the main reason was that the majority of the venues (which now lie in disuse and disrepair) were built on an old US air base.

    When I heard that the EU was courting Greece for entrance, all that did was confirm to me what stupid people they had running the EU! I predicted the day that Greece joined the EU that it was only a short time before they would either get kicked right back out, or encourage the demise of the EU. It looks like they might do both.
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  • Posted by sfdi1947 8 years, 9 months ago
    That why Athens and most of Greece had democracy and failed then, and will now. It's a beautiful country, full of beautiful but stubborn people, but eventually they ran out of Germany's money!
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  • Posted by Zenphamy 8 years, 9 months ago
    Excellent analysis and essay. It truly frightens the elite when people stand up and just say NO. I don't think the vote in any way is a step forward on solving Greece's problems, but it should serve as an eye-opener to those with the dreams of world governance. And you're correct that we will face a similar nexus at some point--probably not a vote but maybe a louder NO.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 9 months ago
    Tell them that they can no longer have free bread and circuses and what happens? They say that they'll keep the bread and give up the circuses. Very soon, there'll be no more bread. Then what will the mobs call for? Trying to be helpful, I suggest that politicians leave Greece in a hurry and try to screw up a different country, because I doubt that there will be any way to succeed in Greece other than a dictatorship. Hey, wait a minute.....
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  • Posted by $ Thoritsu 8 years, 9 months ago
    Surprised China does not come in to "save" Greece, and further penetrate the West. Perhaps China is waiting for a more public issue to precipitate and take action in the public eye. They could so easily craft a proposal that would appeal to the masses, but enslave them.
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  • Posted by term2 8 years, 9 months ago
    The greeks have chosen to just repudiate the debt they have built up and basically got away with $300 billion of value they didnt earn. They dont want to pay the piper, and the europeans should just lick their wounds and give up on collecting from greece. In the meantime, Greece will do just fine, as GM did after getting bailed out. The bank depositors will lose their deposits, as they have already been spend, so they might as well lick their wounds too. But business will go on after bankruptcy, just as it does here in the USA
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago
    The other joke is the hopeful learn english, the fearful learnj Chinese and the practical learn Marxmanship now spelled with a K.

    the curse is may you live and retire on your salary. Something we are learning in the USA
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