NBC dumps Trump

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  • Posted by SaltyDog 8 years, 10 months ago
    And through the agency of political correctness we continue our long slide into darkness.

    I'm a long way from being considered The Donald's biggest fan. With that said, why does the media feel that he and all of his business relationships should be destroyed because he simply refuses to toe the PC line?
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    • Posted by RevJay4 8 years, 9 months ago
      The left fears a candidate like Trump. He tells it like it is, irregardless of the PC crowds disapproval. This I applaud, its about time someone on our side got loud and in their face with the reality of the left's actions against "We The People". I don't think Trump really gives a hoot about the Univision nor the NBC reactions. I hope he sues their butts for everything he can get and ends up owning them.
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    • Posted by com-mom 8 years, 9 months ago
      My thoughts exactly! While I usually never agree with 'The Donald' , he does have a right to his opinions and the right to air them. Unfortunately, he doesn't always do it responsibly. I use him for comic relief.

      It is, however, unfortunate that many people out there agree with him in condemning an entire group of people.
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  • Posted by $ Terrylutz3682 8 years, 10 months ago
    What is all the fuss over. Illegal immigrants broke our law and are therefore criminal. It is getting so nobody can say what they think without someone getting their feelings hurt and calling out the thought police.

    The political correct police just got the confederate flag removed from history. What is next. It seems like everyday it is another thing that caused false outrage.

    If people like Trump can not say what they think we will be back to a bunch of candidates that say nothing but platitudes and end up doing nothing to fix our country if elected. We desperately need Trump or someone like him if America is ever going to be a great country again.

    Remember in the old days if someone said something you disagreed with you said I disagree. You did not assignate them.
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    • Posted by VetteGuy 8 years, 9 months ago
      You ask, "What is next". It looks like Christians, and Christian symbols. I have no personal problem with either Christians nor Atheists, but the language is very similar - call them haters and bigots, and demand that all evidence of them be removed from the public eye.

      To me, the trend itself is disturbing. How long before they get to Objectivists? They are already after the TEA Party and the "Don't Tread On Me" flag.
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  • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 10 months ago
    I'm unclear as to what he said that was incorrect.

    Per usual, the professionally offended feign outrage but never actually address the facts.
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    • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 10 months ago
      I'm unclear as to what he was saying at all. I listened to him address this set of issues several times. At various points he seemed to be saying: (1) The government of Mexico is deliberately sending criminals to the US (like the Mariel boat lift); (2) The eleven million illegal immigrants already in the country are overwhelmingly criminals; or (3) Those coming over the boarder today are overwhelmingly hardened criminals. I truly don't know which he meant, but I do know all three statements are incorrect.
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      • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 10 months ago
        He may not be the most eloquent, articulate spokesman, but... I don't know that all three are 100% correct, but they're definitely not all incorrect.

        25% of Mexico's population has illegally entered the US.
        By definition, they're all criminals, as they're breaking into America illegally (hence "illegal alien"-- it's right in the name).
        Many are bringing drugs into country.
        Many are rapists.
        They disproportionately break the law and end up in jail once they're in America (after breaking the law to get here in the first place). This is found by simply reading FBI uniform crime statistics.
        Again, they're not all rapists and drug dealers, but they're all criminals by definition for breaking out immigration laws. We can no longer allow poetry to serve a immigration policy.
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        • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 10 months ago
          Illegal entry is a crime (a misdemeanor), but that certainly is not the point that Trump was making. He went out of his way to mention the crimes he was talking about and they were all serious felonies, drug trafficking, rape, etc. There is absolutely no evidence that the Mexican government is deliberately sending people across the border ala Castro at Mariel. The percentage of people illegally coming across the boarder while committing those crimes (e..g. while smuggling drugs), having already committed those crimes in Mexico (e.g. convicted rapists) or committing those crimes once they get here (e.g. raping people after crossing the border) is minuscule. The characteristic they all share is extreme poverty. Virtually all illegal crossers have little or no money or anything of value on them when captured.
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          • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 10 months ago
            There is actually voluminous evidence demonstrating disproportionate violent crime committed in the US by illegals. To debate the contrary is to be supernaturally impervious to the facts and actual crime statistics.

            And, there is also overwhelming proof that Mexican government is coordinating illegal movement into the US (as was evidenced by last year's explosion of minors via transit through Mexico). The Mexican government openly discussed the coordination of that effort, including the opening their borders to coincide with the train schedules. There are actually ad campaigns run in Mexico advocating to illegal entry and how to access welfare programs once here.

            Our immigration policy should be (and prior to Kennedy immigration bill was) based on what value immigrants brought to the US. Entry into US should not simply be based on that fact that a person wants to come here. Immigration policy shouldn't be based on a poem. CA is a sterling example of the folly of such a policy.

            The solution to Mexican poverty should NOT be US welfare, it should be Mexicans ousting their socialist government and improving their own country.

            Milton Friedman said is best when he said, you can not have a welfare state and open immigration.
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            • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 10 months ago
              I agree with your last point wholeheartedly. Are you conceding that there is no evidence that the Mexican government is not deliberately sending rapists across the border and that there are, in fact, very few convicted felons coming across illegally? Those are two of the things Trump seemed to be saying.
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              • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 9 months ago
                I'm unclear as to why it matters if Mexican government is deliberately sending criminals (which we know they are-- several examples have been given in Congressional testimony by ICE), or if they're making the decision of their own accord. The net effect is the same. We're being flooded with illegal immigrants who are having a grossly negative impact on America.

                If we are to preserve America, our immigration policy must be changed to one that: 1) radically reduces immigration at a macro level (as was done for the first 50 years of the 20th century), and 2) prioritizes by value the immigrant is bringing with them.

                Simply being poor or wanting to come to America should not be ones ticket in. Entry in the US should be a privilege, not a right.
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                • Posted by khalling 8 years, 9 months ago
                  in actuality, the American govt went out of its way to advertise in Latin American countries that it was easing its immigration policy for children under 18 and fast tracking their parents' immigration. That is why there is an influx of minor illegals in the US> If we are to preserve America, we need to re-vamp the welfare state and change our drug policies.
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                  • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 9 months ago
                    Completely agree on the need to institute draconian cuts in welfare state.

                    The advertising was in coordination with the Mexican/Central American governments/US interests, and it was outrageous.

                    We're approaching a tipping point where the entire US will go the way of CA. We're importing entire generations of new Democrat voters, which shouldn't surprise anyone, as he told us his objective was to fundamentally transform America.

                    The most vexing part of this is how the GOP can be so tragically short-sided in their support of amnesty. The DNC has a gun pointed at the GOP's head, and the GOP is offering to load it for them.
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                • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 9 months ago
                  I also do not understand the relevance of Trump's claim about the Mexican government (and, by the way, there is no evidence that this is a systemic problem as Trump implies). My guess is that he emphasizes it to demonize the Mexican government itself to make it seem more like Cuba but I'm unsure. The other issue is the frequency of felons crossing the border illegally. You don't expressly address this but I assume you agree with Trump's claim that a large percentage of illegal crossers already have violent felony convictions (e.g. rapists). I know for a fact this is untrue. What do you think?
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                  • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 9 months ago
                    Well, when 60-80% of women/girls crossing illegally are raped along the way, it's safe to say a disproportionate numbers of illegals crossing are rapists.

                    It's also cultural issue. In Latin American countries, it's acceptable to have sex with underage girls that would be correctly classified as rape in the US.

                    Our culture (the distinctly American culture and values) is superior to that of any country from which any immigrant will hail. It's for this reason that we must adopt more a stringent immigration policy and demand that immigrants assimilate to our culture. This will benefit the immigrants and America.
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          • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 9 months ago
            You requested proof... doesn't seem the number of illegals committing crime is quite as "minuscule" as you suggested. http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/...
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            • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 9 months ago
              I'm not suggesting anything. I'm stating facts I have observed myself over the course of the last three years. I stand by every word written above. Your cited source is lumping together the significant number of non-citizens convicted and sentenced to short terms for illegal entry (a misdemeanor) with violent criminals (e.g. rapists and murderers) sentenced to long terms in order to make it look like the federal prisons are full of violent illegal aliens.
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              • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 9 months ago
                Unless you believe they only starting committing these crimes when they arrived on US soil, they arrived this way.

                http://www.breitbart.com/big-governme...

                70,000 rapes isn't exactly minuscule... especially if you're one of the 70,000.
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                • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 9 months ago
                  What do you mean by "this way"? Do you mean that they had already committed the same or similar felonies in Mexico before crossing the border? That is what Trump is saying. In fact, he says more. He says the Mexican government is deliberately selecting its felons for importation into the U.S. This a ridiculous assertion, of course. What I am saying is that few of those arrested at the border for unlawful entry have prior criminal histories of any kind.
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                  • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 9 months ago
                    Perhaps we need to define "few". When tens of thousands of criminals are coming across, that's not a few.

                    Immigration generally (no matter the country of origin) should be radically reduced, if not halted altogether for a period of time, as was done in the first half of the 20th century.
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                    • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 9 months ago
                      I'm saying, of personal knowledge, that those who cross illegally into the U.S. from Mexico less than 5% (in fact, much fewer) of illegal crossers have prior felony convictions. Do you dispute this?
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                      • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 9 months ago
                        Well over 30% of felony cases in federal court are illegals, it would seem that 5% is a tad low.

                        But, even if it were 5%, that would be 5% higher than it should be. To my point, we need to radically reduce immigration, period.
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                        • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 9 months ago
                          You seem to not understand what I am saying. Felony cases in Federal Court represent a different set of people than those crossing illegally. Trump says that the later group is composed of people who already committed and were convicted of rape and murder. They were then hand picked by the Mexican government to come to the U.S.. I am saying that in fact a very low percentage of the illegal crossers previously were convicted of felonies. You may not wish to believe that for some weird reason, but it is true.
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                          • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 9 months ago
                            No, the felony cases I referenced are committed by those who crossed illegally.

                            To accept your premise, one must believe that these hardened violent criminals were pure as wind-driven snow in Mexico, and only turned to life of violent crime upon their entry into the US.

                            Of course they were violent criminals in Mexico. Those crossing illegally commit a remarkably disproportionate percentage of crime. That information is easily available by bureau of prisons and federal court registry.

                            Illegal commit crime at much higher rate than Americans, which is not surprising as they broke the law to get here in the first place.
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                            • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 9 months ago
                              It is not true "[o]f course" that anyone who is convicted of a violent crime was convicted of one or more previous violent crimes. The truth is that very few illegal crossers were convicted of violent crimes in Mexico before crossing. You and Mr. Trump apparently disagree. I can only go by what I have observed personally and it varies substantially from that contention.
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                              • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 9 months ago
                                So, you and the illegal apologists expect the rest of us to believe that entering America was a catalyst for their criminal behavior??? Prior to crossing the border rapists, murderers, robbers, drug dealers, pedophiles, and the rest were just peaceful law-abiding Mexicans???

                                It's this willful suspension of disbelief that results in parents/loved ones testifying before Congress about the deaths of their children at the hands of career criminals in our country illegally.

                                How do you account for the radically disproportionate percentage of illegals convicted of violent crimes? The numbers don't lie. Do you actually think they were innocents before arriving on our soil?
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                                • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 9 months ago
                                  So are you saying that they were previously convicted but the nefarious Mexican government officials who decide to send their rapists and murderers into the U.S. had their criminal records expunged before sending them across the border or are you saying that they had no previous records but we can just assume that anyone committing a violent crime must have done so before?
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                      • Posted by Technocracy 8 years, 9 months ago
                        How can anyone possibly prove any numerical assertion? Nobody, I repeat, nobody, is accurately collecting or reporting those numbers.

                        I dispute your assertion and everyone else's as being anecdotal, not factual.
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                        • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 9 months ago
                          I have seen thousands of these defendants in court over the last almost four years and have personally reviewed their criminal histories as reported by federal court pretrial services and talked with the defendants themselves under oath. What is your source of information? And what is Donald Trumps' source? More to the point, why are you so resistant to facts?
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                          • Posted by Technocracy 8 years, 9 months ago
                            I am not resistant to facts, nobody has the facts. What you just stated as "fact" is the very definition of anecdotal.

                            Since they are here illegally they are all criminals by definition. That is a FACT, much as you might choose to deny it.

                            I don't have accurate numbers, neither do you or anybody else.
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                            • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 9 months ago
                              Trump did not make the tautological argument that illegal entrants were criminals as a result of their illegal entry. Contrary to what you say, I do not deny that. He asserted something very different, that they were also already felons of a specific and very different nature: rapists and murderers sent here by the Mexican government. As to my personal statement, yes it is anecdotal, but it is powerful anecdote. What do Trump and you cite as evidence for his absurd assertions?
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 9 months ago
      It's a dual between two parts of the same side. The whole thing is an attention diverting red herring from the in trouble prime candidate to the a non-candidate by their own party supporters. Best ignore it pay no attention.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 10 months ago
    If Trump becomes president, the opposition might try to hire a lion tamer. Everything about Mexico that Trump said was true, and NBC knows it. They just hate his gaudy guts and would look for any excuse to hurt him.
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  • Posted by cjferraris 8 years, 10 months ago
    I have many Mexican co-workers that are LEGAL immigrants and they don't think it's fair that the illegals get a pass and all of the efforts they made to become a legal citizen was for nothing. And as far as the writing on the Statue of Liberty, that was given to us by the French because they knew that America was a vast land and someone needed to fill it. And that was true... 125 years ago..
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  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 10 months ago
    I found his remarks outrageous. and I stand with my mexican friends who were initially insulted and now are just laughing. People want opportunities. He should have been a good businessman and said secure the border, streamline the immigration process. He should have recited Emma Lauzurus' famous poem:
    The New Colossus

    Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

    With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

    Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand

    A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

    Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name

    Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand

    Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

    The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

    "Keep ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

    With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.

    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

    He then should end with this: If I am your President I will gut programs that hinder opportunity for productive citizens. I will hog tie agencies who believe their policies can be above the law in our land. Heads are going to roll Washington! You are fired! but he didn't say that
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    • Posted by RevJay4 8 years, 9 months ago
      Khalling, I think if you go through his speech you will find that he did not condemn all Mexicans, etc. Just the lawbreakers, those who came into this country illegally, to take advantage of the "free stuff" which this administration likes to give away to those who circumvent the immigration process.
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      • Posted by khalling 8 years, 9 months ago
        he took a long time to get there. Objectivists of course, reject the free stuff. They also believe free men can walk across borders as long as they do not initiate force. Passports were not recognized for much of US history. If I own myself, I should travel freely, no?
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        • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 9 months ago
          If we are going to go for open borders then anyone in the world who can make it here should be able to do so. Currently we seem to have a system that is heavily skewing the population in favor of poor people from Latin America.

          We spent some time working with an entrepreneur from South Africa to move here -- it was a long and expensive process. We seem to be blocking admission to educated tech people from India and other places.
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          • Posted by khalling 8 years, 9 months ago
            really? I'm reading about all these tech workers coming over from eastern europe and India replacing US tech workers. There were a couple of articles about them training their replacements. the severence packages would be removed if they did not cooperate. kinda sick. maybe your company isn't one of the crony company's doing it. One of the companies was Disney. At the entrance of Epcot Center, there is this Rand quote that all can see(I'll bet W. Disney would be turning in his grave over the foreign workers' taking over US jobs): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ayn_Rand_quote,_American_Adventure,_Epcot_Center,_Walt_Disney_World.jpg.jpg
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            • Posted by $ WilliamShipley 8 years, 9 months ago
              While it isn't something I would want to do, isn't finding someone trained to a do a job and hiring them in place of a more expensive people an objectivist decision?

              Yes, you are reading all about it, it is part of the dichotomy between the media advocating for the low skilled illegal workers and against high skilled H1B visas. We are biasing our immigration to protect middle class jobs and to hell with the poor.

              I do believe that immigration built this country by selecting for the people who were more likely to take the risk to create a new life. Either we should have a more rational selection process or we should open the door and let competition decide who gets here, but the 'look the other way' system is inducing an unproductive bias.
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  • Posted by H6163741 8 years, 10 months ago
    left-wing namby-pamby dictionary definitions:
    Equal rights- special treatment; my rights trump everyone else's
    Illegal- just good folks who want to come to the U.S., and don't really want to get free stuff paid for by our tax dollars
    Freedom of speech- I say whatever I want. If you disagree, you are a racist.
    (See also Privacy- colloquial- things said and done in one's own home; not meant for mass dissemination)
    Freedom- bow to the wants, needs and opinions of the government rulers, elected by the ignorant masses
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  • Posted by GaryL 8 years, 10 months ago
    Since NBC stands for just about everything I deplore I could not care less what they do. If I were Donald Trump and running for the nomination on the republican side I would not want to be associated with those left wing lunatics any way. Secondly, Like NBC can afford to lose one of their biggest cash cows with all that Trump brings to them in the form of his TV shows and pageants? NBC is living proof why liberals should be banned from owning guns, shoot themselves right in the foot every time!
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  • Posted by $ Olduglycarl 8 years, 10 months ago
    Not a smart move on NBC...they just bit the hand that feeds them. The major networks are owned and controlled by leftist thinking. I am surprised they stayed with him for this long.
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  • Posted by NealS 8 years, 10 months ago
    Anything to change the subject. What is the definition of illegal? If it's a problem then change the official meaning of the word. Hashing it over and over again without doing anything else only creates division, exactly what the politicians want, while they continue to draw their pay.

    Southern California is already turning into subdivision of Mexico. Maybe Mexico should just annex it and get it over with.

    Why do we hear so little about our border with Canada? Are Canadians illegally entering the US and taking over specific areas too?

    What kind of immigration should we control? Or should we just open our borders to anyone that wants to come? What so other countries do? Can you just walk into China, Russia, Great Brittan, Czechoslovakia?
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  • Posted by dbhalling 8 years, 9 months ago
    The immigration issue is very confused. The way to solve real immigration problems is to:

    1) Eliminate all welfare

    2) Eliminate all laws on drugs.

    A free person should be able to travel freely between countries and work wherever they want. Republicans (all of us) need to focus on the underlying problems, not restrict peoples' freedoms which will just cause more problems.
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  • Posted by jnnrd54 8 years, 10 months ago
    I am going to cut up my Macy's card and mail it to their CEO. I'd love to see millions of people do this. Two can play the game. These fools don't realize how dangerous this kind of censorship will be.
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    • Posted by BrettRocketSci 8 years, 9 months ago
      Hi jnnrd54. I'm all for equal and counter-boycotting if that's your act of principle and strategy. But please be careful with your language--it isn't censorship. Do you acknowledge or do we need more discussion? (I'll try to come back for updates--the website isn't great for specific notifications).
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  • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 9 months ago in reply to this comment.
    We don't need Mexican prison records, because we have our own. Rape, murder, armed robbery, etc. are not entry level crimes. Further, we know that illegals caught, convicted, and then deported then return to the US (as was evidenced by the tragic murder in San Francisco). That means Mexico let them go once returned.
    There is absolutely no doubt that Trump, Cruz, and the others now drawing attention to this genuine crisis are right.

    Your assertion is based on anecdotal evidence, Our assertion is based on actual prison bureau and federal sentencing data. This is not a debatable point and more than gravity is.
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    • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 9 months ago
      Even though you deem this issue non-debatable, please let me respond. You have now shifted the issue to another subset of people. Instead of the ludicrous myth of the nefarious Mexican government policy of finding their convicted violent felons and purposely sending them into the U.S. (the Trump theory), you are now focusing on the individuals who cross illegally and are convicted and sentenced under U.S. law, serve their time and then are deported. Some of these people successfully recross into the U.S. and then commit new violent crimes in the U.S. You decry that the Mexican government "let them go." In fact it is the U.S. government that "let them go." Perhaps you think they should have served longer terms in the U.S. If so, then say so. Perhaps you think there should be a new category of felony for repeat illegal crossers (there already is). If so, then say so and let's start building more federal prisons with your tax money. But don't blame the Mexican government for "let[ting] them go." What are they to do? Imprison all deportees even though they have already been convicted and sentenced in the U.S.?
      By they way, Trump does none of this analysis. He just bloviates about building more walls. Just like the law of gravity you cite, if you build more walls people seeking opportunity will find a way over, under or through them.
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      • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 9 months ago
        No, walls work exceptionally well. That's actually the purpose of wall. Please refer to Berlin Wall, Great Wall of China, border fences during WWII, wall separating North/South Korea.

        Will a wall keep every single, solitary illegal out, of course not, but it will certainly prevent the vast majority from entering. The notion that walls don't work is patent nonsense. Much like wheels roll, walls create a barrier... that's their function.
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        • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 9 months ago
          Yes, walls can work to a certain degree. In fact, they "work" now. Imagine how many people would be crossing without walls at all!. In the southern sector of
          California, they have decreased crossings significantly everyone agrees. But walls alone don't solve the problem in themselves. Note that all your cited walls required lethal force to be really effective. Do you (or does Trump) advocate shooting border crossers like Kira? And you didn't answer my questions about real issues regarding conviction and sentencing of illegal crossers. More prisons? Longer sentences?
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          • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 9 months ago
            First to your question about armed fencing... YES. It must be made abundantly clear that illegally crossing the border is no longer an option. The police are armed, but rarely need to use their weapons, because it's understood that challenging them will result in a negative outcome for the criminal.

            Regarding sentencing, YES, there should be mandatory sentences for those illegally entering America. And, once that sentence is served, they're then deported. If they come back again, it's life. If we can have mandatory minimums for US citizens, then mandatory for non-citizens is a no-brainer.

            With a crack down that profound, it would not take any time at all to end the flow of illegals. And, the cost would be a fraction of the cost of welfare goodies (food stamps, education, anchor babies, etc.) currently being doled out to illegals.
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            • Posted by jabuttrick 8 years, 9 months ago
              There are mandatory sentences for those found guilty of illegal entry, a misdemeanor, and those ground guilty of unlawful re-entry after removal, a felony, but they are capped well short of life imprisonment. Do you have any idea how much it would cost to incarcerate for life? And what about those who have already crossed illegally. Does the government hunt them down and shoot them on the spot or just incarcerate for life? Any idea how much it would cost to give life sentences to 11 million people? Your idea of "profound" enforcement at the border sounds like a potential blood bath to me. Count me out but thanks for your candor. Now we know what you are proposing. I wonder if this is Trump's idea also and whether he would be as straightforward as you in the coming presidential debates? We will see.
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              • Posted by AmericanGreatness 8 years, 9 months ago
                The cost of incarceration would be far less than the cost of supporting them with welfare, food stamps, etc., nevermind the cost of anchor babies that would be prevented.

                Furthermore, life imprisonment would be remarkably rare, as once it's known that the game has changed, the flow of illegals would slow to a trickle. As in the cold war, the nuclear option doesn't need to be used to be an effective deterrent.

                Similarly, there would be no "blood bath" at the border for the same reason. These criminals need to understand that the game has changed, and it could be a matter of life and death (or life in prison).

                They have NO right to be here, and it's high time we put the security of American citizens ahead of the desires, or supposed entitlement, of foreigners no matter their country of origin.

                America is not the refuge for the world's poor, despite what Emma Lazarus penned. Poems should not substitute for immigration policy.

                Regarding the debates, if a candidate were to actually espouse such a profound shift in immigration policy, he/she would be overwhelmingly welcomed. Trump is soaring in the polls in large part because of his tough talk on immigration. The first priority of a US President is supposed to be the security of Americans.
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