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New McDonald's In Phoenix Run Entirely By Robots

Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 11 months ago to Economics
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Moochers want $15 min. wage...they now get nothing. Anyone could see this coming. Already in this article one person is saying "burn it down"

I'm curious where in Phoenix this will be built. Haven't been to McDonald's in years
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    Posted by SaltyDog 8 years, 11 months ago
    Here's a thought...learn to maintain the robots and you'll be worth far more to the franchise than a burger flipper will ever be. But I suppose that's the way that it will always be...some people would rather curse the dark than light a candle.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago
      Too lazy to do more to improve themselves.
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      • Posted by SaltyDog 8 years, 11 months ago
        42 years old living with Mom and somehow the fact that they won't make him a burger flipper means that the restaurant needs to be burned down. I'm in my 60s, and I can tell you that the only times I've EVER been out of work was when I wanted to be. It pains me to see that there is a generation (or more) who think that society owes them a living with minimal effort on their part, and they're angry and astonished to see that their menial job ambitions are supplanted by a machine. If the thing works, justice would be served if the only job for one of them would be $20 for one hour of taking out the trash for the machines.
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        • Posted by cjferraris 8 years, 11 months ago
          I know what you mean, I've only hit two periods in my life when I was unemployed more than a few days.. One, when I first got out of the military and didn't know what I wanted to do for a job, and second, when I got ticked off and my boss and walked out. Other than that, I've gone from one job to another. If you WANT to work, you'll find a way to work.
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  • Posted by Ibecame 8 years, 11 months ago
    They will pay $40Hr for technicians to maintain the robots and still come out ahead. If McDonalds pulls this off retail jobs will become nonexistent. Didn't the politicians state that the advantage to NAFTA and other trade acts is that it would drive Jobs in the "service sector" (retail). OOPS.
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    • Posted by $ 8 years, 11 months ago
      There are already payment kiosks in Panera Bread (where I write most times) and Chili's. Most retail jobs will be gone within 10 years or so. The infrequent $40-$120/hr in support will keep things running smoothly and profitably.
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      • Posted by Ibecame 8 years, 11 months ago
        When I put the comment in above I assumed that the automation company was either from Taiwan, China or Japan, since that is where most of the robotic companies are based. A little research and it turns this company is based in San Francisco. It is an amusing thought that fast food could be the thing that boosts the economy.
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        • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago
          Funny thing but back in the day there were automats where the food was in locked compartments into which you made your purchase and the door opened and you took it out. All the workers did was restock the compartments. Spring ahead to the better food choices we have now and we just did the automated cafeterias one better !
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      • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 11 months ago
        I agree. What will it be like in this country after the retail jobs are gone? Today 93 million out of the workforce, tomorrow 193 million. Scary thought what this country will look like with virtually no-one working, all living off the government dole. :(
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 11 months ago
          Ed, unless they implement a 90% tax rate, the system will collapse a long time before that. I think one of the reasons we have had the strange turn in society is the 93 million number. While there is nothing wrong in working retail, it is the end of the manufacturing line, therefore does not encourage creation of both innovative products or processes. That stagnates things. I am more afraid of the mob psychology taking over at some point, you have seen how easy it is to do in Ferguson and Baltimore: "We are oppressed cause you haven't given us what we want". When those retail jobs go, what else will cascade?
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          • Posted by edweaver 8 years, 11 months ago
            IMHO a higher tax rate will make it worse. Other than that I agree completely with your statement. :)
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            • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 11 months ago
              We agree, there are a lot of impacts to things that robotics bring in, auto manufacturing is a good example. None of that was present at 20th Century, so AR never saw the issue. I work in an Intel fab and it is very highly automated, and they always are under pressure to do more with less. Except engineers, they hire engineers like gathering beads at Carnival.
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      • Posted by xthinker88 8 years, 11 months ago
        Definitely. I've already paid with those little kiosks in Red Robin and in Applebees. You can also order your food and drinks and desserts. Ultimately, even in the restaurants a little more upscale than mcdonald's (like these chains - Applebees, TGIF, etc.), they will only need a person to bring the food to your table.
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  • Posted by gcarl615 8 years, 11 months ago
    When I was a teenager I worked at the Elk Grove Illinois McDonalds, Which at that time was home to the fledgling Hamburger Univ. If you worked there you automatically went to the U. I learned so much that served me well the rest of my life. Yes I made Minimum wage, but who cared I got a great education.
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    • Posted by Walt 8 years, 11 months ago
      All 4 of my children worked at McDs through high school. They say it was a great education on discipline, people skills etc. All 4 now make a 6 figure income and they give partial credit to McDs.
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      • Posted by gcarl615 8 years, 11 months ago
        I would agree on all the skills. One kind of ironic thing is that when we lived in central Wisconsin my wife worked for the guy who was my instructor back in Elk Grove. He was an excellent owner, he treated people well, but kept expectations very high.
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      • Posted by XenokRoy 8 years, 11 months ago
        Many fast food chains will not hire until 18 now. This removes the experience for the High School age worker, and makes it more difficult to get a Job as a high school student.

        The robot is to replace the person who thinks McD's is a career job, not a place to get a start. It is too bad it will do both because minimum wage is all ready pricing High School kids out.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 11 months ago
    Anybody else remember the automated Carl's Jr. food kiosks in the movie "Idiocracy"? We're getting there folks. I love the scene where the machine shorts the lady, sprays anesthesia in her face, and proclaims, "You're an unfit parent. The authorities have been notified." Haha!!!
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  • Posted by woodlema 8 years, 11 months ago
    How about this for irony. I love the opening on July 4th, "Independence Day" Independence from MOOCHERS!!! and MORONS, and the uneducated clowns who think that flipping burgers is a career.

    "Phoenix, AZ — After seeing a decline in earnings for the first time in nine years, McDonald’s plans to do something no other store of its kind has ever done before; open a store run entirely by robots.

    The store is set to open July 4th in Phoenix, Arizona ..."
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  • Posted by wiggys 8 years, 11 months ago
    I recall when I started my business career in NYC many buildings had elevator operators and as time went by they were replaced with automatic elevators and naturally many of the older operators were angry about being replaced. That said, people had to be trained to build automatic elevators and those jobs paid much more than the minimum wage. If the robots are built in the USA then the builders will be paid a higher wage to make the robots.However i suspect that the robots are made out of the country compliments of the USA government causing that to happen as it has many industries; leave the country. These $15.00 an hour protesters really don't want the jobs but welfare anyway.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago
      I bet the government passes the equivalent of directive 10-289 where they levy a HEAVY tax on every hour a robot is used, so as to make the $15 an hour be cheap. And kill the robot business.
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    • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 11 months ago
      Back when I lived in NJ, I was always amused when the Turnpike or Parkway toll collectors went on strike for better wages or benefits....

      Because I knew that, as soon as the strike ended, the toll rates would go up.

      In the end, automatic toll collection machines replaced virtually all of the toll booth coin collectors and probably shifted just part of their previous total cost to the maintenance folks that serviced the machines.

      McDonalds is just a few years late to the realization, but the $15/hour strikes and protests are undoubtedly the driving force for Change (no pun intended) today.

      Hey, Obama wanted Change, didn't he? McDonald's is now going to further automate it!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
    When my grandpa came to the USA he had two trades so that if things got bad in one, he had the other to fall back on. He made leather buggy whips, and leather sword sheaths. He went to work at Ford and made more money than ever. He saved his money and opened a stall at an open air market. He was very proud that his wife never had to take a job.

    Now that the robots are here, they won't demand $15 per hour, just a little oil now and then. This may be the first giant step toward the predicted robot singularity.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago
      I love it. People refused to understand the effect of cheap labor overseas, and still demand high wages that are overpricing themselves. Now they are refusing to understand how effective robots can be and how cheap they can operate. And these people are out there demanding $15 an hour when a robot can undercut them even more than outsourcing to other countries.
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  • Posted by jimslag 8 years, 11 months ago
    Love it, I knew it was coming from the first $15/hour protest. The company based out of SF has been perfecting a burger cooking machine that does everything. It does the cooking, buns, toppings cut at the right time and assembly. the only thing it needs is someone to add the required ingredients and maintenance. However, you could install several and that way when one goes down, the others pick up the slack. Supposedly they had it up to around several hundred per hour.
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    • Posted by plusaf 8 years, 11 months ago
      I recently did a mind-screenplay where either fully automated self-driving delivery trucks (or Amazon-managed delivery drones) pulled up or flew to exactly that kind of automated 'burger kiosk,' mated up and delivered all the materiel the Burger Box needed and then drove/flew away to their next replenishment task.

      I still can't understand why the garbage trucks with their new claw-grabber-dumper mechanisms aren't reading a bar code on my trash bin or recycling bin, then weighing the net contents and charging me accordingly!

      Ah, maybe some day...
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  • Posted by IronMan 8 years, 11 months ago
    As with most satire, there is enough truth in it to allow many to think it is real.

    News Examiner is a satirical web site.

    That said the kiosks are real. My company (well the one I work for) is producing the prototypes for these.

    The value is not completely driven by obsoleting $15/hour moochers. There is also an increase in per transaction sales. The kiosk never forgets to ask you to Super Suze the order of if you want an apple pie.
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    • Posted by term2 8 years, 11 months ago
      I want the kiosks. Its faster, and I dont have to deal with mindless clerks who cant even listen to what I want. Try putting in one sentence all that you want and delivering that to one of these clerks- they will just come back and ask you the questions one by one again. Very annoying
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  • Posted by RonC 8 years, 11 months ago
    You can't tell a progressive anything, because they already know what's best for us. So, I'll just wink and nod to my business owner friends and say, "Kind of puts an end to the minimum wage, doesn't it?"
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  • Posted by Temlakos 8 years, 11 months ago
    Well, what do you know.

    But that's the idea. Paying someone thirty thousand dollars a year just to be a short-order cook is never economically viable. Or if it is, that tells us the dollar isn't worth beans.
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  • Posted by waytodude 8 years, 11 months ago
    Almost makes me want to eat at Mickey d's. The moochers wanted it now they got it. There will be more to come I hope. Tacos would be easy to make by robotics are you listening Taco Bell.
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  • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 8 years, 11 months ago
    Fiction today, reality tomorrow. When I look back on one of my first jobs working at a riding stable cleaning stalls when I was just a young lad, I wonder what is wrong with people today that can't move on and think any job should command a 'living wage." Ayn Rand — 'There is no such thing as a lousy job - only lousy men who don't care to do it.'
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    • Posted by khalling 8 years, 11 months ago
      I am always amazed by entrepreneurs' stories. They all start out the same-I did every job when I started my company and before I started my company, I worked at jobs you wouldn't believe I'd do
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  • Posted by RandCatholic 8 years, 11 months ago
    I work about 6 blocks from the location mentioned in the article. They have completely leveled the existing building (but still have the McDonalds Monument sign standing) and it looks like they are beginning construction on a new building. I will be sure to check it out once it reopens.
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  • Posted by radicalbill 8 years, 11 months ago
    This is a joke. It is based on the movie Office Space. This is not real. Why did no one figure this out? Robots can not make hamburgers. Making a Big Mac is a challenge even for a human. They are not easy. No Joke!!!
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    • Posted by khalling 8 years, 11 months ago
      overmanwarrior has a novel, "Symposium of Justice," where one of the main characters(supposedly wealthy) works at a burger joint flipping burgers. He takes huge pride in his work and the kids who work with him, enjoy his comradery. There is speculation that he does it to have influence with that younger generation-like a mentor. A robot will never be able to do that
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      • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 11 months ago
        There is an aspect not often mentioned, how many teens actually did have someone who influenced them early on in such a job. I had a couple from 12 on, I worked in a bakery from 12-15 (because no one else could hire due to "age") and the little guy running it paid me 1.75 an hour (1971-3), but he worked from 4am-6pm and expected you to as well. He did instill a good work ethic.
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        • Posted by khalling 8 years, 11 months ago
          that's an interesting story, nick. In the novel, the teens working at the restaurant went through all normal kid angst and including work ethic issues. Some you have to teach, some it's just in them. I remember a kathywiso story, where her dad (an Objectivist) gave her some acres of land that she planted asparagus. Every waking minute she was not in school she was tending those fields. Finally her dad said-and he was a task master-Kathy-come out of those fields and enjoy life! lol
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    • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 11 months ago
      radicalbill, check out the CNN article. There are some differences, it is more about the evolving use of automation. But the implications are there, although, if a UPS driver-less truck arrives, what does it do, dump the box on the ground, or sit and bleet until someone comes press a button. That would be kinda weird. Again, the satire is indeed there, the CNN article was a year ago.
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      • Posted by $ root1657 8 years, 11 months ago
        I have a technical background, and in the time it took me to read your comment, I'd already mentally designed a system that would allow the truck to deliver the package to the McDonald's robot in a way that it could go straight into the system without a human. Its super simple really. If the packages are in the truck in delivery order, then the next package in the truck is for this location. A door opens, and the same type of arm that picks up my garbage cans picks the package and places it on the receiving station of the facility. A safety door closes, then the building door opens and the package is conveyed inside. The package is a canister that is designed to feed the machines directly. An empty package gets sent out to the truck, which will load it into the truck for return delivery to the facility that loads the food in the containers. Easy peazy. No reason this couldn't be refrigerated delivery. No reason McDs couldn't have their own fleet of robot trucks to make all the deliveries to the stores from the distribution point like they do now.
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        • Posted by $ nickursis 8 years, 11 months ago
          root, good job. Having seen the greatness of automated system ( I saved a guy from having his head crushed by a robot delivering 25 wafers to a tool when the robots "people sensor" failed), and Intels pursuit of what they call a "lights out" fab (totally automated) the problem always remains one of the one failure that gums up the works. The system may work great for most of the time but the failures are sometimes spectacular, and expensive. I am not critiquing you design, it is just there is always some failure that will haunt you. Great for me, keeps me employed.
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          • Posted by $ root1657 8 years, 11 months ago
            Completely agree, and as I said, this was the in the head 5 second design. I could spend a career making improvements to safeties and failsafes... and yet somehow even with an occasional spectacular failure, it's probably still going to be cheaper than a room full of looters.

            One way to make it safer, make it slow. The cargo transfer system could be geared to move 'at a snails pace' when absolutely maxed out. If it takes a full minute for a box to be lowered from the truck and it hits you, um, should have moved I guess... and at this pace, probably still faster than human cargo handlers in total, and doesn't mind working nights when the place is basically vacant.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
    In your face Seattle.

    Think of the new job openings for robotics technicians. I assume it's debit or credit only otherwise is one of them RoboCop?
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