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Tomorrowland

Posted by jneilschulman 8 years, 10 months ago to Movies
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I give Tomorrowland my highest recommendation. It has a romantic sense of life.


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  • Posted by $ AJAshinoff 8 years, 10 months ago
    I'll read it before I watch it. I can't stomach George Clooney.
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    • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
      Thanks for the warning. Some you watch because of the actor - some you uurp deserved or not. I can't think how my life would be improved having only watched two Clooney Tunes but I have everything his Mom recorded. Besides books are invariably better. I also uurped at the thought of Tom Cruise pretending to be 6''6" Jack Reacher.
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      • Posted by xthinker88 8 years, 10 months ago
        What? You didnt buy the short dark haired weaselly looking Tom Cruise as the massive tall blond haired Reacher? You obviously have no imagination. :)
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        • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 10 months ago
          I can't imagine the imagination it would take. Clooney would have been a much worse choice or Been Afflected. Some actors just aren't believable in their roles. I fall back on something Michael J. Fox said: "The performer pretends to be something he is not and the audience willingly suspends it's disbelief." It goes on for a few paragraphs. p. 96 in the book Lucky Man.

          Sounds like an election ...
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          • Posted by xthinker88 8 years, 10 months ago
            They needed a slightly younger Dolph Lundgren but more articulate.
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            • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
              From the Wikipedia article "Dolph Lundgren":
              "He received a degree in chemistry from Washington State University, a degree in chemical engineering from the Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm in the early 1980s, then a master's degree in chemical engineering from the University of Sydney in Sydney, Australia in 1982. Lundgren holds a rank of 3rd dan black belt in Kyokushin Karate and was European champion in 1980 and 1981."

              Articulate? In several languages. See this interview:
              https://youtu.be/7MKz9cdl9QI
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  • Posted by $ jlc 8 years, 10 months ago
    Tommorowland was panned on io9, but it was panned with a negative comment that labeled it as John Galtist - so I had it on my watch list.

    I may see it today or tomorrow.

    Jan
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 10 months ago
    I try to keep an artist's politics separate from his work. In some cases a good or even great artist may have loony philosophical ideas, often because of concentrating on the art to the exclusion of other pursuits. One of the exceptions is George Clooney. He is at best a mediocre actor. His greatest claim to fame is that he is a great practical jokester. Based on the review, it's too bad he is in the movie, but I'll put aside my disgust for this excuse for a person and go see the film, even though it contains looney Clooney. (I loved his Aunt Rosemary's singing.)
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  • Posted by samreginab 8 years, 10 months ago
    Clooney sucks as a person, but he is entertaining to watch. Disney did steep the poor movie in global warming alarmism, but thankfully it was subtle. Overall enjoyable movies. Everyone could use an Athena as a robot companion, and a daughter that understand how things work? That is a cool idea. A lot better than duck-lipping on Facebook.
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  • Posted by cksawyer 8 years, 10 months ago
    I am disappointed, but not surprised, at the ever present (not just in this movie) theme that all the problems and crises of the plot have been caused by the planet-wide horrendous destruction wrought by greed callous "captains of industry" (Tomorrowland words) and that the government is unable or unwilling to "fix".

    If they could just drop this tired old cliche, not essential or even necessarily relevant to the story (as is often the case with this stowaway pc agenda), the film would have been quite good and fun.
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    • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 10 months ago
      OK - glad I read all the comments. I won't be seeing this in the movies - I vote with my money (even the pennies) whenever possible. I won't support propaganda (for the sake of full disclosure, and if I'm being honest with myself, at least the propaganda I don't agree with :)
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      • Posted by xthinker88 8 years, 10 months ago
        Remember that should you ever need a good doctor for something serious. Make sure to give the doctor a political questionnaire to ensure that they do not support any causes with which you disagree before they save your life.
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        • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 10 months ago
          In no way am I trying to hijack anything, but I do want to respond since I am being addressed.

          Funny you should present this scenario.

          There is no need to give a doctor a political questionnaire to determine their political leanings. All you need to do is see if they are carrying an iPad, or looking at a PC, rather than you. If they are, they are more interested in EHR (Electronic Health Record) meaningful use and Medicare/Medicaid reimbursement then you. Also, they are not necessarily going to save your life unless your problem can be solved with the procedure determined by the most recently approved medical algorithm and with the approval of your managed care provider. Actually, they no longer have to save your life, as long as they make every attempt to stabilize you according to policy and procedure - policy may include not offering you a treatment, that can save your life, but is not approved by your managed care health insurance policy.

          Unfortunately, unless people are familiar with what symptoms trigger the need for what tests and procedures, they have no idea when medical care is being withheld.

          I'm not stating this as an argument. I'm stating this as a nurse who has worked as a floor nurse AND in administration (finance) and as the mother of a daughter with a rare, life-threatening medical disorder. The scenario you set is something we have been dealing with on a regular, progressive basis for over twenty years.

          We don't need good doctors, we need excellent doctors and, yes, we have stopped going to doctors whose political views or their sense of helplessness when faced with changing political policies, have a negative effect on their ability to practice medicine.

          It's one of the reasons my daughter is still alive. This statement may appear dramatic to you but it reflects the norm for us.
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          • Posted by xthinker88 8 years, 10 months ago
            Way to make a complete non sequiter by basically arguing about the competence of the doctor and their concern for payment - which has nothing to do with political beliefs or the topic at hand.
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            • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 10 months ago
              Competence is not at issue here. A doctor can be highly qualified and knowledgeable and still provide care based on reimbursement rather than patient need. It is a moral/ethical issue and has nothing to do with competence.

              If you wish to discuss this further, please PM me or we can start a separate discussion on "Does the political leaning of the medical provider affect his practice?"
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              • Posted by xthinker88 8 years, 10 months ago
                Does the political leaning of an actor affect his performance?

                Once again, you seem to miss the point. The point is that you would not choose a doctor for their politics even though the money you give that doctor might go to causes that you disagree with. Yet you are applying that same criteria to actors.
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                • Posted by khalling 8 years, 10 months ago
                  I think the point being missed here is the bully pulpit part. Clooney uses it to influence people to what in my opinion are evil ideas and concepts. Why would I in good conscience support his movies? Trust me, if my doctor was well known in town for promoting evil ideas through a political platform I 'd choose another doctor. It's the influence and use of their professional standing that is the thing -not just actors. But since their name and face recognition has alot of pull, they have unique influence over sheeple.
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                • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 10 months ago
                  Nope, haven't missed the point.

                  I choose movies based on genre and message, not on the performance of the actors. People tend, naturally, to drift toward that which reinforces their beliefs. George Clooney has strong political leanings. The movies in which he appears usually reflect his leanings. As a result I tend to find I'm not interested in seeing or supporting the movies in which he appears.
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                  • Posted by xthinker88 8 years, 10 months ago
                    Ok but Neil's whole post pointed out that this movie has a good message. Not the type that you might expect from a clooney movie. So you're objection seems to rest merely on the political views of one of the actors. Thus my point.
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        Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
        Why are you here in this forum if not because Ayn Rand advocated for ideas in her storytelling?

        Which the remake of Mad Max does not.

        Which Tomorrowland does -- and as has been widely noted, has many overlaps with Rand's storytelling and sense of life. But not exclusively Rand's. Heinlein also comes to mind -- and his storytelling children including L. Neil Smith and myself.
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    • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
      I would not have recommended this movie if the villains were "captains of industry" and the "fix" was government.

      I think I know how to watch a movie.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 8 years, 10 months ago
    It has a hope-full theme, but relies too much on 2nd rate CGI, and, of course, it's emasulating as almost everything from Hollywood is.

    I'd much rather watch B5 reruns.
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      Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
      OK. Watch movies with anti-human themes and cliched superhero males and perfect CGI then don't you dare protest when filmmakers make mindless trash because they can't make the movies that could turn around the culture.

      There's a need for non-stupid fans as much as non-stupid filmmakers and your attitude is part of the problem.
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      • Posted by khalling 8 years, 10 months ago
        consider joining romanticism watch on FB. also check out Savvy Street. I am a contributor there. I am confused at your "type-casting" of gulch members. We have enjoyed your work and promoted it. apparently I fed the wrong wolf
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      • Posted by sdesapio 8 years, 10 months ago
        We don't do the ad hominem thing here Neil. You can do better.

        Gulch Code of Conduct: http://www.galtsgulchonline.com/faq#faq1...
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        • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
          I can do better on Facebook, Twitter, and my own blogs where the editorial policy isn't so politically correct Ayn Rand herself could not publish.

          And I will. Buh-bye.

          I posted on my Facebook wall:

          For anyone who has been following my comments on Galt's Gulch Online, I'm out of there. Ayn Rand, herself, could not post on that board without violating its politically-correct guidelines, by which the admin -- Scott Desapio -- hides any comment as abusive or classifies as ad hominem that does not cover itself in kittens and puppies. It's a kindergarden now rampant with people Ayn Rand would have blasted. If you can't call stupid ideas stupid without it being called ad hominem, it's a board suitable only for wailing infants ,,, and, apparently, a Christian romance writer who flagged my comments as insufficiently bland.
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        • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
          Ad hominem is making a personal attack. If I can't attack a person's comments this discussion board is so dominated by political correctness it isn't worthy of its name and Ayn Rand should rise from the grave to sue.
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        Posted by Hiraghm 8 years, 10 months ago
        "turn around the culture"?
        You mean this film is about dogged, intransigent adherence to the U.S. Constitution, the expulsion of illegal alien invaders from the country, and the extermination of socialists?
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  • Posted by fivedollargold 8 years, 10 months ago
    Thanks samreginab for the heads up on the global warming b.s. Had enough of this nonsense from POTUS and VPOTUS last week to stomach any more for awhile. Fivedollargold will wait until this one gets to the $2.50 cinema.
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      Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
      I think global warming is junk science and would not be recommending this movie if that was this movie's message or thrust.

      I never thought on an Objectivist-oriented discussion board I'd be running into so many kneejerk conservatives.
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        Posted by Hiraghm 8 years, 10 months ago
        Watch it, bub.
        I'm the most conservative conservative who comes here, and ain't nothin' "kneejerk" about me.

        you try to make it sound like being conservative is a bad thing.
        Here, let me put it in simple symbology for you:

        Conservative > Objectivist.

        (oh oh... sdesapio is going to ban me again...)
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 8 years, 10 months ago
    Clooney............. I'll pass
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      Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
      I cast Tim Russ, a dyed in the wool Hollywood liberal, in my movie Alongside Night. Tim gave me a first-rate performance playing a character whose every line of dialogue is at odds with Tim's own views. Should I have cast an actor who agreed with me but who would have given the movie an inferior performance?

      Yes, I'd cast Jane Fonda, Sean Penn, George Clooney, or a card-carrying member of the Communist Party if they were right for the role.
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      • Posted by khalling 8 years, 10 months ago
        nope. but if you say-only george clooney can play this-aren't you just trading on his fame rather than saying-you know what? your politics are evil and you use your fame to promote evil ideas. That's your choice, but I do not promote evil ideas and your face-well, it reminds people of what you say on your bully pulpit. Next time-you should consider that. If you recall, Rand supported and was a witness in the McCarthy hearings. Hollywood's influence is profound and people are allowed to vote with their dollars without being called reprehensible. You know, for someone who would like people (like the 20K members of this forum) to buy their books and watch their movie, I see you're making lots of friends here, just fyi.
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      • Posted by khalling 8 years, 10 months ago
        Sincerely, you would offer value to an actor who used their fame to influence the politics of dictators in other countries, like Penn did? There are some Objectivist Venezuelans on this board who would like to persuade you otherwise. Actions have consequences. One way to win the war of ideas is to boycott those who use their fame to propagate evil ideas. That's every bit as important as the movie is the thing.
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          Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
          Ayn Rand never testified before the Army McCarthy hearings. She testified before the House Committee on UnAmerican Activities, and she did not criticize any Hollywood actor but discussed Communist propaganda in one movie, Song of Russia.
          http://www.noblesoul.com/orc/texts/huac....

          Ayn Rand did not apply any political test against who she was willing to work with. King Vidor, the director of The Fountainhead, was to the left of FDR, having previously directed 1934's Our Daily Bread, far more directly pro-collectivistic than anything George Clooney ever did.
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          • Posted by khalling 8 years, 10 months ago
            did Rand pick the director for The Fountainhead?
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            • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
              Not picked. But approved and praised.
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              • Posted by khalling 8 years, 10 months ago
                and battled with him over changes to the screenplay and was embittered enough by the experience to not allow any studios to pick up AS.
                I do not object to actors appearing in whatever movie they'd like. What I object to, strongly, is using their fame for political activism which is evil. and I do my part to let them know with my pocketbook. For a capitalist, that is a moral tool which individuals have in participating in a free market.
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                  Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
                  No, Ayn Rand did not battle with King Vidor over changes to her screenplay because Jack Warner guaranteed to her that her script would be filmed as written.

                  Boycotting a movie because one actor in a cast of over 100 expressed opinions you disagree with, when the director/co-writer of the movie is expressing your highest values, is just perverse.
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                  • Posted by khalling 8 years, 10 months ago
                    I am not perverse and you are flaming the conversation. I have been very patient, polite, and I also did a little research before responding to you. You will lose points now which will hide your comments. Please consider rephrasing your comments
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                    • Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
                      I'm a filmmaker. I know what's necessary to get a movie made. If the off-screen attitudes of an actor are to be used as criteria for whether or not to see a movie, this is political correctness raised to the level 1984 warned against.

                      I will revise nothing. Caring about brownie points for being less than honest are another good example of this madness.

                      Taylor Schilling, who played Dagny Taggert in Atlas Shrugged 1, has run away from being identified with the role because it could hurt her career and cause Hollywood liberals to blacklist her.

                      Better burn your copy of Atlas Shrugged 1.
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                        Posted by Hiraghm 8 years, 10 months ago
                        Wait... you're saying I have to go see a movie I don't want to see, simply because I don't want to see it because I don't like the people involved?

                        And you complain about Orwellian??
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                      Posted by Hiraghm 8 years, 10 months ago
                      Thank you, Khalling.

                      For maybe a year now I've been wanting to make an animation about a a little streetsweeper who wants to become a toymaker, but is frustrated in his desire because he doesn't fit in... anywhere.

                      The idea began as a still image of this little streetsweeper standing in the dusky twilight, his rolling trashcan parked nearby, with his nose and hands pressed tightly against the brightly lit plate window of the toy shop inside, where the happy people were all making and playing with all kinds of fancy shiny toys.... he can watch... but never participate.

                      But, you made me think of "The Country of the Kind" again...
                      In that story, the protagonist makes himself a wooden statue of a man sitting tailor fashion, his head tipped back to catch the burning rays of the sun. He put a tiny knife in the statue's hand... and then stuck the statue in a tiny grotto, where the statue would always look at the stone above his head, never able to enjoy the sunshine.

                      He attached a note to it begging whoever found it to strike out in violence... which would cause them to be treated as he was, and end his lonely existence.

                      "please... somebody... anybody..."

                      I wondered where I got the idea from. Now I know.

                      (The original name for my animation was "Hiram the Hero of Wanaby" (aka, "Hiram the Wanaby Hero"), which I've changed to "Futility")
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                    Posted by Hiraghm 8 years, 10 months ago
                    Why is it perverse, if it's that actor's fame which is selling the movie?

                    A long time ago, I designed a user interface for a landscape generation program. The publisher brought me a copy of the product, and I saw on the back of the box that they advertised that a portion of sales went to the Nature Conservancy, a group with which I disagreed.

                    I joked, "Good thing I don't have to pay for this thing". He, and a mutual friend, jumped all over me, telling me that they had a right to spend their money however they wanted... at which point I replied, "If they choose to advertise that they support the Nature Conservancy in hopes of making me more likely to buy the product, then they must also accept the possibility that it will make me *less* likely to buy the product."

                    Likewise, you put Clooney in a role because of his reputation, then you have to accept when people refuse to watch a movie because of his reputation.

                    I won't watch Penn in any movie, because his participation is a guarantee that the movie is lousy. Period.

                    I've seen Clooney give good, even pseudo-conservative performances, like that movie he made with Nicole Kidman where they chased down a nuke. So I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in a role *providing nothing else about the movie makes it seem likely to be leftist propaganda.

                    Because I go to movies to enjoy myself. And I don't enjoy the insanity that passes for thought in leftist propaganda.
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      Posted by 8 years, 10 months ago
      Brad Bird, who directed and co-wrote Tomorrowland, and made The Incredibles, as much as anything written by Ayn Rand a story in praise of great achievement and heroism.

      George Clooney is one of over 100 actors credited for this movie on IMDb.

      Does a movie give off cooties because there's an actor whose non-acting opinions you do not like? That seems to be the Fox News way of judging movies. It's reprehensible.
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      • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 10 months ago
        Hmm, and what do you call it when a person calls another person's behavior reprehensible simply because that other person made a decision to see or not see a movie based on criteria that differs from their own? The MSNBC way of judging people who have opinions that differ from the commentator?
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        Posted by Hiraghm 8 years, 10 months ago
        I'm not going to put money in the pocket of someone who will use that money to damage or destroy my society.
        THAT is perverse.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 8 years, 10 months ago
    I heard a funny inside story about Clooney a few years ago (while he was supposed to be dating that long-legged blonde bombshell who competed on dancing with the stars). Based on what I learned, at least I'm sure he's not in the closet (unlike several other top actors). He likes what I like. LOL...
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  • Posted by gaiagal 8 years, 10 months ago
    Glad to hear this - I tend to shy away from anything with George Clooney. Since this comes from a fellow Gulcher, I will give it a second look see.
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  • Posted by Petri 8 years, 10 months ago
    Intrigued. The very long preview I saw didn't seem Disneyesque, but then what Disney movie is these days? Anyone else out there like/dislike it?
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  • Posted by CircuitGuy 8 years, 4 months ago
    I saw it on a plane last week. I liked it even though it was kind of a kids' movie. I played it around my kids, and I was surprised that my daughter was very interested. I think it was because the protagonists are girls. I don't encourage my kids to think of themselves as an identity group, but at this age (age 5) she is drawn to stories with girls.

    What's great is this story is about girls doing something, not being a love interest or concerned only with girlie things. There's so much of that. Many toys/movies marketed to boys are about doing things, and stuff marketed to girls is about looking in the mirror.

    Someone asked in another thread if it's like AS. There were some similarities at the end when it showed all the hard-working people in the world receiving invitations, but it's not the same story and isn't trying to be.

    The film presents the optimistic engineer worldview, which is my worldview, in way children can understand.
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  • Posted by IcarusRex 8 years, 5 months ago
    Just watched this movie last night with my family and though they had that "feel good" feeling after finishing it, none of them really nailed down the reason why (none have read Atlas Shrugged except me)/

    Anyway, while watching Tomorrowland I immediately noticed how eerily similar it was to Atlas Shrugged and so googled it and found this forum.

    I liked the movie. Am I a fan of George Clooney? Not really, but I like approaching new things with a "let us see" mindset and who knows, maybe George Clooney is starting to become a fan of Rand. I know I didn't become a Rand fan until I turned 27 years old when I first read Atlas Shrugged. It's out on Redbox now so ~$2 is worth it for those sitting on the fence. I think Tomorrowland did a way better job than the released "Atlas Shrugged" movies regarding visuals. No offense, but the AS movies were real cheesy "B" movies and I believe acting/visuals really sell an idea more effectively to the mainstream audience. We are creatures with sensing organs.

    Political undertones? I didn't really sense much of it. There were some things I did notice that were out of place. Tomorrowland demonizes greed, and at the end of the movie SPOILERS BELOW



    The new recruits to Tomorrowland are mostly black individuals. Is this a play towards changing the AA social issue in America? It seems like it. Govenor Nix uses The Monitor (future predicting device) to put negative thoughts in the heads of people living on Earth to want to destroy themselves which is totally opposite of what John Galt would do (wanting power over people's lives). Why would Nix even want to purposely do this? If The Monitor is correct and Nix knows the human race will wipe itself out, all he has to do is play the waiting game.

    Anyway, this is my first significant post and I hope to participate in some good discussions.

    TLDR: I believe it's worth a watch, regardless if you like Clooney or not. There are some great actors kid actors in the movie!
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  • Posted by NealS 8 years, 10 months ago
    I find all the comments so far very interesting to read. It took about half way down the post to express the politics of the movie. I would have thought it would have been near the top. I can definitely agree with a lot of dislike about George Clooney, I only wonder why that is. My Special Needs daughter likes scary, action, and futuristic type of movies. She took mom and dad to see this one last weekend. I don't follow movies much, in fact I can't even name any others that are playing, so as soon as I saw the sign with George Clooney on it I was sorry I went along. Somehow liberal politics popped into my mind. I went into the theater with a preconceived idea that somehow it would be a politically correct movie with some underlying theme promoting something I disagree with. That generates most of my dislike for George. I took the movie as a plot to bring more people over to the Global Warming theory, and the little pin we got as a reminder of how we're destroying the earth. To me the whole movie was to impress people that we were willing the earth to be destroyed and that we had to change our ways in order to save it.
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