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Is This Your Position On Drawing Mohammad Cartoons?

Posted by khalling 8 years, 11 months ago to Culture
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  • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
    There is never an excuse for murder in the name of religion. I take the example of Japan: Islam is banned there. That religion and only that religion is not allowed to be practiced. Some say that Ms.Geller provoked the attempted attack, and should be reprimanded for that. I say more power to her. I say shame Islam. Shame it over and over again. Show it for the scurrilous, hateful, dangerous thing that it is. If that's done enough, perhaps people will be less inclined to give it a pass or categorize it with other religions.
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    • Posted by RonJohnson 8 years, 11 months ago
      Islam did not attack Pam Geller's gathering, two idiots from Phoenix did. The thousands of Muslims living in and around Dallas ignored the event, they didn't even picket it, which is the proper response to those who you don't wish to draw attention to.
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      • Posted by khalling 8 years, 11 months ago
        Ron, there are hundreds of Islamists forming communities within the US and governing under Sharia Law. It is antithetical to the Constitution. No Sharia in the US. NONE
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        • Posted by RonJohnson 8 years, 11 months ago
          Please read the context in which I wrote my response. I was not addressing sharia law. I was addressing the assertion that 'Islam' had attacked Pam Geller's meeting. Not so. On the contrary, Muslims ignored it.
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          • Posted by Herb7734 8 years, 11 months ago
            Two idiots, professing to be followers of Islam drove around a thousand miles in order to kill everyone and anyone at the Geller event. I would not parse those professing the religion from those practicing the religion. I condemn it as an entity within itself. If any Christian, Jewish, or Catholic religion performed the same murderous actions as in the name of Islam a great rising up would occur. The sects would be hunted down and destroyed. Do you hear or see a great rising up among the followers of Mohummed? If it happened, I completely missed it.
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            • Posted by RonJohnson 8 years, 11 months ago
              Here's one condemnation. There is a lot more, if you Google it.

              “So out of 100,000 Muslims who live in this great metropolitan area, not one came to the Garland Event Center and protested or participated in any type of protest. They just ignored this entire incident that itself also shows that amongst the Muslim community there is a great amount of respect for the freedom of speech,” said the President of Islamic Society of North America, Azhar Azeez.

              The exhibition had been organised by Pamela Geller who is known for her outspoken criticism of Islam and whose organisation, ‘American Freedom Defense Initiative’ (AFDI) sponsors, among other things, anti-Islamic advertising.

              While the AFDI says it is promoting freedom of speech, the Southern Poverty Law Center has described it as a hate group.

              Council of American-Islamic relations, Director Ibrahim Hooper was forthright in his remarks:

              “There is no excuse for an attack of this type, even on an anti-Islam event. We believe even anti-Muslim bigots like Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer and Geert Wilders have the right to air their hatred and bigotry and we have the right to peacefully challenge that bigotry.”
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  • Posted by chcollinsjr 8 years, 11 months ago
    I have high esteem for Pamela Geller. I prize the note of thanks she sent me in response to my e-mail to her a few days ago. Unlike most Americans, she puts her God-given freedoms before her personal safety and security.

    I suggest that we must honor and emulate such principled courage if we wish to deserve the sobriquet: American.

    We ought to all thank Pam Geller, for lighting the way and blazing the trail. Fie on you, idiots who choose the illusion of safety over the preservation and enhancement of freedom.

    Again, will the cowards who ransom their own and their children’s freedom for the vain expectation of safety ever realize that pandering to maniacs, far from getting them to like us, will ensure our receiving their greater contempt and telegraphing our weakness and timidity to them.

    My late father fought in the invasion of Normandy and the Battle of the Bulge, not so craven cowards could sell the birthright he served for in exchange for “a mess of pottage.”
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 8 years, 11 months ago
    Pamela Geller poked the bear and that always has consequences. Sometimes the bear needs to be poked so everyone will know its there. Geller had the courage to do so and thus sound the alarm clearly and loudly before the bear and its kin devour us all.
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    • Posted by cjferraris 8 years, 11 months ago
      I was taught you never walk into a cave alone.. You never know what you may find. The problem is, we've been waking past the cave for so long that we think it's safe to keep walking past it.
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  • Posted by waytodude 8 years, 11 months ago
    Those who believe in the mystics for the most part will never change their view. For the most part I wouldn't want them to for if they didn't believe in their God they would be lost and completely unproductive because they cannot believe in themselves without a mental spiritual being to plod them along. We here in the Gulch believe in the power of ourselves (or I hope you do). When we or they poke fun at their respective religions history tells us someone is going to die or a very large group will die for those actions no matter what our constitution says for the rest of the world don't care about our constitution. There is a saying I like to tell my daughter "everything is funny until someone gets their eye poked out". I don't matter how we here feel it is those out there that will dispatch you if you insult their religion. I don't know a cure all but unless one gets rid of all religion there will always be a war over it.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 8 years, 11 months ago
    If I had any talent probably seated at some sort of table or easel. But switching to philosophy as long as it isn't preceded by the world Moral - you got what you asked for generally speaking, odds are 95 to 5 you will vote the same way again, if you vote - and remember the not new mantra is I get to spend as much as I want kicking your but because you have no rights.

    What happens when your elected leaders are on the other side - the one with all the money.

    Philosophy of Reality? Works for them.

    PS I read the Patriot Act from start to finish. Free Speech is not listed. That was the old Constitution.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 8 years, 11 months ago
    I often listen to Bosch with Amy Peikoff on her show "Don't Let It Go Unheard" on blog talk radio. He was raised in a Muslim family and knows of which he speaks.
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  • Posted by coaldigger 8 years, 11 months ago
    I consider it bad form to depict someone's prophet in a demeaning matter but I consider a sect that believes it should annihilate all those that will not abandon their own beliefs to accept theirs to be unspeakably evil and look forward to viewing their chalk outlines on the sidewalk.
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  • Posted by nln1219 8 years, 11 months ago
    We as Americans "allegedly" have the gift of free speech. With that gift comes responsibility. Just because you have freedom of speech does not mean you yell "FIRE!" in a full theatre!
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    • Posted by khalling 8 years, 11 months ago
      You can be held liable for speech that causes someone harm objectively and the harm has to be significant. that considered liable/slander is not an impediment on free speech at all. It is a tort not a law restricting your free speech. so the yelling "fire"! in a theater, is in no way an impediment on free speech. I can also say-you can't say certain things in my home. that as well, is not an impediment on free speech. also, free speech is a right, not a gift. This would assume, the govt bestows rights on us and is not consistent with the philosophy of the founding of the US.

      No one has been "harmed" in any rational sense by these cartoons. Your govt is advocating that we don't have the balls to protect our citizens from assault when someone screams "offended!" that is a much bigger problem down the road for all citizens if we stand aside and do nothing. gutless, dangerous, and mindless
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      • Posted by nln1219 8 years, 11 months ago
        I know what you are saying, I look at our rights, our Constitution, Declaration of Independence as beautiful gifts from above to be protected and treasured. JMHO. In the same flow of things, one can say all Muslims follow ISIS and Jihad, and yet we know this is not the case. And unless the Imams speak up, Muslims in this country will be treated with more and more distrust and 'non-governmental' justice. The thing is people were harmed...not by the cartoons themselves but by the idiots who said they were offended. Whenever you open your mouth, you are not going to please everyone. Anyone who cares about America, eventually will tell the GOV they are as useless as tits on a bull, we'll take care of this. Americans are pretty loyal dogs, but if provoked enough we will bite back. They would be most fool hardy to poke our bear as much as we poke theirs.
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        • Posted by khalling 8 years, 11 months ago
          if you say our rights are gifts from God, we will be arguing over which God-because Islam sees it differently. Natural rights are derived through logic and reason, they are not dropped into our laps by a Deity.

          I completely agree with the rest of your comments. welcome to the Gulch, nin
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          • Posted by nln1219 8 years, 11 months ago
            Thank you for the welcome. And everyone's definition of God is different. I do believe some of that deity is within us. I am by no means a theological guru, nor am I going to try to be...suffice it to say I have had a near death experience, where I no longer fear death and believe the best is yet to come. So if you are Atheist or Agnostic...know I respect that!
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    • Posted by livefree-NH 8 years, 11 months ago
      It worth repeating that the mention of yelling fire in a full theater is actually a misquote of a judge's (Holmes) ruling, "The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic." If you take words away from that quote ("causing a panic" or even "falsely shouting") you change his meaning. What's more, he was using this analogy to support his restriction of the free speech of someone who was peacefully handing out flyers protesting the draft for WWI. And the ruling was overturned later.

      I'm not disagreeing with your point, which I think is that a person is responsible for what he says in public, and free speech is not so much a gift but probably a hard-fought ongoing battle to defend (a right? privilege? permit?).

      But with that aside for the moment, staging a cartooning contest (knowing or not that "someone" might not like it) doesn't seem to come anywhere close to "speech" that might even need to be protected. And to top it off, the First Amendment protects The People from the government and its restrictions on them, and has exactly nothing to do with protecting Ms. Geller and her crowd from people (non-government actors) wanting to do harm.

      That is, there is no mitigating circumstance (that is, "falsely shouting fire") or something which might serve as an affirmative defense for what they were about to do.
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