Return to neo-feudalism

Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years ago to Government
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The words I've had in mind to best describe the establishment as the Government Party or Government Party Coalition composed of both Republicans and Democrats is a return to neo-feudalism (serfs and Barons) using socialism and it's belief in government control of citizens as a tool to re-establish a self perpetuating aristocracy of elitist leaders. I give you the Emperor Obeyme preceded by the Bush Dynasty.

That's what you want me to vote for? Shame!

I'll stick with the supremacy of citizens over government in the hope that divine right to rule will return one day along with the acceptance of rights and responsibilities.

Vote For Republicans and give them a chance? What again? Hasn't worked for sixty plus years.

Vote For Democrats? Sorry dude I'm not into left wing fascism as a road to restoring the monarchy.

You made your bed I don't have to lie in it.


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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years ago
    What infuriates us about the Democrats? That they "know so many things that just aren't so." (Ronald Reagan) They want power so badly they are willing to lie, cheat, steal, and murder to get it. Their moral code is that of "might makes right" and that "ends justify means".

    What infuriates us about the Republicans? That after they talk big to get elected, they are so afraid of _losing_ power that they back away from their talking points. They are cowards and hypocrites. They know what they should be doing and justify themselves out of it.
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    • Posted by ObjectiveAnalyst 9 years ago
      Hello blarman,
      The narrative that puts the fear into Republicans once elected is a product of an unstable vocal minority of leftists and the compliant MSM. They are also responsible for ignoring third party candidates. If only we could elect the media. Unfortunately the majority of talking heads are bought and paid for by the media moguls they work for.
      Thomas Jefferson — 'The man who reads nothing at all is better educated than the man who reads nothing but newspapers.' The newspapers of the past = today's MSM... same thing.
      I have been hopeful that the internet would become a more important and diverse source, but now that we have had net-neutrality shoved down our throats like O-care... who knows?
      Regards,
      O.A.
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      • Posted by $ blarman 9 years ago
        Well said.

        I do my part to "elect" the media by paying for those whom I think actually contribute news. That's about all I can do there other than attempt to correct the misinformation constantly being spewed by those who haven't done their own homework on the matter.
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    • Posted by Maritimus 9 years ago
      @blarman,

      I am infuriated also. But, with the "we the people". They believe illogical stories from talking heads. They believe the TV screen as if it were window to reality and not a carefully designed masquerade. They have too little knowledge and too superficial skills in judging character. (Oh! I forgot! Character does not matter.) Blatant lies are OK. Blow job in the Oval Office is OK. Erasing servers is OK. So, they get the government they deserve. In New York City, only about a quarter of the electorate showed up to vote in the latest mayoral elections. Gullibility and credulity are not praiseworthy properties of a reasonable mind.

      To top it all, we deliberately maneuver so that our grandchildren will have to pay the piper.

      How shameful!
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      • Posted by $ 9 years ago
        Grandchildren did replace twenty generations in the future. Now it's Mom and Pop's devalued retirement savings and it's in your face...your....face. The grandchillden will asking why and looking for blood.
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        • Posted by Maritimus 9 years ago
          Sorry, MichaelA,

          I did not understand what you say. Can you help me, please?

          "Twenty generations in the future" amounts to about half a millennium. I always felt that children are entitled only to the healthiest possible upbringing and the best education they are capable of absorbing. It worked for me fantastically well. They are both better men than I am and need not a penny fom my estate. They are certainly not looking for my blood. So, I do not understand the second two sentences either. Sorry! Perhaps I am just too thick.
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          • Posted by $ 9 years ago
            Certainly the sentence was facetious. The originator John Maynard Keynes said you can borrow from the future and future generations as long as you can pay the interest. Our government forgot that part. The future used to be described as multiple generations and years away. That is no longer true after the bankruptcy of the 2008.

            Our government replaced or maybe added to the 'Keynes system by substituting crisis, inflation,devaluation and debt repudiation. Meaning they refuse to honor their debt to those who invested their money in retirement accounts or to those who invested in America or to those to whom the government owes money such as the English, the Chinese, the Dutch and probably everyone else - they do that by lowering the buying value of the dollar. What good to make five percent when inflation devalues the dollar to 70%'of it's former power?

            300 billion of national debt fifteen to twenty years later is now pushing 18 trillion. The interest alone is killer and it's no longer future generations but your Mom and Dad and as for you still working it's in your face.

            Next they try to laugh it off with some percentage of GNP gross national product but do not do the percentage of net national product. Which may be where they hide the debt service (interest) that has to be paid no matter if devalued.

            Still T Bills are safer than FDIC insurance if you have more than $250,000,00

            Hopefully you did raise your children well but they are still looking forward to the eventual final collapse unless someone can convince the world the Emperor has a pair of speedos left in the closet.

            Put another way the 25 cent good deal burger, became the dollar burger and is now what price? Gas was 95 cents a gallon in the late nineties and is now what? Wow only three times more expensive in fifteen years? Buy a best seller is $25 to $30 dollars not $5.95 And so on.


            So twenty years was a way of expressing the issue and not in any sense exact. 10 or 15 is more like it. We now live in a country where it's not only a public service for Walmart to give jobs to the elderly - it's part of the elderlys existence.

            Hope that helps if not read on someone will explain it better. Like quoting the devaluation of the dollar since 1933.
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      • Posted by $ jdg 9 years ago
        *They* maneuver. I'm not taking any more of the blame. I didn't vote for any of the dastards.
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        • Posted by Maritimus 9 years ago
          @jdg,

          You are right. They do. Meaning "we the people". We, people like you and me, and other Objectivists, are a small ineffectual minority. If Thompson, Mouch & Co. had installed a crony capitalist "solution" for their problems, their CEO friends would never shrug and ... "everybody happy". Except, Ayn Rand would have rather dropped dead than write a novel about THAT.

          The ideas we here support are, I believe, eventually going to win. But, perhaps, after a collapse here, under the burden of unsustainable debt, or after a WWIII, sparked by the Islamists in the Middle East. What rosy prospects!
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years ago
    Problem:
    You are living here, correct? You are being subjected to the Washington Aristocracy, right? You can drop out and pout and refuse to participate, but then you'll get what you get whether you like it or not. Don't like the parties? I don't blame you -- so, vote for the person. Anything has got to be better than the abominations in Washington currently.
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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years ago
    I am tired of the Republicrats; I just hope the Unit-
    ed States can survive until the election of 2016.
    If the present majorities in the Senate and the
    House of Representatives don't get off their butts,
    though, who knows?
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years ago
    No, it is not feudalism. Feudalism is an explicitly hierarchical society in which each class feels personal loyalty to their superior in the rung just above them. So, in feudalism, I would feel loyalty to the Mayor of Santa Clarita (whose name I do not even know), the Mayor would feel personal loyalty to the Mayor of LA (or, in feudal terms, the Count of LA County) who would feel loyalty to the Governor of CA, who would feel loyalty to the President of the US. We do not have a personal loyalty-based structure.

    Nor do we have a tribal structure, in which every person's role is defined from birth to death. Our society is notable for its fluidity and shifting roles.

    I think we have invented an entirely new form of dystopic government. It is so complex that I am never sure of what the real agendae are, based on any given action (though, over the years, I am seeing patterns more clearly). I have read that a single issue of the NY Times has more data in it than a typical medieval farmer would encounter in his entire life. We live in interesting times - and we are not dealing with this very well.

    Jan
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    • Posted by $ 9 years ago
      "No, it is not feudalism. Feudalism is an explicitly hierarchical society in which each class feels personal loyalty to their superior in the rung just above them."
      Sounds like feudalism to me.
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      • Posted by $ jlc 9 years ago
        There is no loyalty...
        Our society is covertly hierarchical...

        We will see how this pans out in the future!

        Jan
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        • Posted by $ 9 years ago
          I used to think matriarchal might work and couldn't do anyworse. The along came Hillarious and ....Wait a minute. Is Pelosillyinni a mom?
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          • Posted by $ jlc 9 years ago
            Please no! I am surrounded by liberal Californians who worship the Great Earth Mother! (in some permutation or another...)

            Jan
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            • Posted by Maritimus 9 years ago
              Another piece of evidence of how widespread the irrationality is in so called progressive states and countries.

              By the way, did anybody ever prove that progression along time is in the direction of improvement? Just asking.
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              • Posted by $ 9 years ago
                They always use the opposite word to fact. It's regressive. Just as Value Added Tax is really Value Subtracted. How do you tell they are fibbing? Their mouths are moving. Another thing both halves of the Government Party have in common.
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                • Posted by $ 9 years ago
                  To add to the above paragraph. It's the same as their method for how to describe their targets for destruction. First they look in the mirror and write down what they see. No matter it always comes out evil, wicked, mean and nasty. Then it's time for the hate speak commercials. The reflection is blaming the other side for what they are. Easier these days as there is less and less difference between the left and right wing of the left wing.
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  • Posted by DeanStriker 9 years ago
    The spirit of this post ua good but WE didn't make this bed! That was done by our ancestors over so many millennia. None of We The Living have any real voice about what they decided "for us" in one GOVERNment after another over. In America THEY defined their "balance of powers" but left US out!

    This breaches every conceivable tenet within the principles of all contract law, which requires the mutual consent of two or more parties, and cannot applied against any others!

    So THEY made our bed, and THEY make you lie in it! 'Twill be enFORCED by Their "Justice System." Whatta con job!
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years ago
    actually TRIBALISM is what is in the process of taking over the nation. in 50 years the USA will no longer be that. we will be broken up like africa or the middle east. thank you government and especially 0.
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    • Posted by blackswan 9 years ago
      We know where tribalism leads. We also know that it's the INDIVIDUAL that matters, not the group. Some of the country may break up like the Middle East, but most of it wants to go with the Constitution and its corollaries. The only "tribe" I'm interested in joining is made up of the individuals in Galt's Gulch, and that's what I'll fight for. I'm not going to stand by and watch the only experiment in HUMANITY be destroyed by prehistoric BS posturing as "progressivism."
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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 9 years ago
    I've mentioned this before, but if Monty Brewster's "none of the above" candidate would run in every House, Senate, and Presidential election, I believe that 75% of the people currently in Washington would find themselves unemployed (well, unemployeed by us, but probably immediately employed as lobbyists).
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years ago
    You have my vote against the Demreps, MichaelA.
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    • Posted by $ 9 years ago
      Great responses and clarification. They may well have won, for a while, but mights well have fun preparing for the next time or...making them waste their resources and show their hands. Sooner or later even the most ignorant will ask where's my slice of the diminishing pie?
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      • Posted by $ 9 years ago
        I thought I would add this. Establishment, Upper Class, Privileged Class, Ruling Class, Aristocracy, Royalty, Party Bosses, Politbureau, Bureaucracy which ever name...

        It's still the individual citizens responsibility to control government less government respond to the absence of citizen responsibility by filling the void and then expanding the powers abdicated.

        It is the citizens individual and collective responsibility before claiming rights lest ballots fail and bullets be required.

        Ballots and participation are the bullets of freedom that never go out of style and can be used in many ways.

        One is using or obtaining or retaining rights such as the recall.

        Another is by expressing mass disapproval by not voting for those who incur their displeasure - More than one way to vote None of The Above.

        If half no longer bother to register, and half of them do not cast a ballot and of the ballots cast 25% of the whole and are split between various forms of none of the above and the two Government Party candidates then citizens have failed in their responsibility. I suggest the None Of The Above totals are far higher than those suggested by the media propagandists.

        Citizen failure or is it a contrived failure by those not willing to abdicate their power in the face of what looks like a massive vote of No Confidence?

        Another way of saying something is rotten and smells.
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