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  • Posted by $ blarman 9 years ago
    What I think shouldn't be overlooked is the number of "Ivy League" graduates now infesting the halls of government.
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    • Posted by khalling 9 years ago
      ruling class. it's going to be worse. All of these programs Obama put into place for college grads to do "service" out of college, came with an implicit promise that further down the road participation in those programs would give them an advantage in applying for govt jobs. Even if the progs are not in charge of the WH and the legislative branches-all those agencies are filled with them and they will keep that promise. ugh
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      • Posted by $ blarman 9 years ago
        Exactly. I don't think we can ban certain schools from participating, but I do think this "insider's club" should be exposed. The Bush's went to Harvard just like Obama and the Clintons, so it also isn't as if this is a one-sided thing.
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  • Posted by MinorLiberator 9 years ago
    I saw this video yesterday, and it was also in my "post this" bin.

    The phrase from history that came to mind when I watched it was "The Banality of Evil". The guy in the video is so clueless that he almost seems harmless, but he's not. He seemed to truly not comprehend what an ISIS "freedom fighter" was, and what a little "training camp" would mean. And the undercover journo also mentioned Hamas. Not that not knowing ISIS is excusable, but Hamas has been around for a long, long time. What planet has this guy been on? I guess the planet Ithaca.

    And I've seen a lot of O'Keefe's.other work. Brilliant, courageous and a hero in my book, too..
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years ago
    There are only two colleges that I know of that I could recommend, if learning and not prestige is important. They are Brigham Young University in Utah, and Hillsdale College in Michigan. I highly recommend Hillsdale, and if anyone has a college age young person or is one, here is their info.:
    33 E. College St. Hillsdale, MI 49242 800 437-2268
    I am neither an alumni nor a spokesman, for them but it might be worth your time to look into them if you are at that stage in life.
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    • Posted by WyoJim1963 9 years ago
      Highly agree with Hillsdale. They also offer online courses such as the Constitution 101 which is worth the time!
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      • Posted by Herb7734 9 years ago
        Best of all, they're free. I think that they are now offering several different on line courses revolving around the Constitution.
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        • Posted by $ jdg 9 years ago
          They do offer at least five (non-credit) online courses that I know of. But that's not the same as really going there.

          BYU, or any other Christian school, I would not recommend to anyone. They impose conditions on your private life that should not be allowed.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years ago
    there is nothing that happens from the ivy league schools that is surprising especially when they do things that are anti what used to be america. and that is why when we have a president and there have been several have policies and actions that are anti america as it used to be.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years ago
    Where did you think the neo-cons were trained?
    Where did you think the liberal DemReps were trained?
    This is about the politically-connected, holier-than-thou Ivy Leaguers vs the sovereignty and liberty of every individual.
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    • Posted by 9 years ago
      If only the GOP leadership was that committed defeating the enemy...
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      • Posted by freedomforall 9 years ago
        ...there wouldn't have been an invasion of Iraq, there would have been arrests of the neo-cons who planned 9/11.
        .. there would have been successful resistance to any suggestion that the Bill of Rights could be optional, and there would be no "patriot act" and no Homeland Security and no jack booted thugs molesting grandmothers and preteens in airports.
        The GOP IS THE ENEMY.
        (and so are the Dems.)
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        • Posted by 9 years ago
          I'm not fan of GOP leadership and would love to see a President Cruz.

          I also agree that creating an entirely new DHS was absurd and only increased bureaucracy. The solution was to follow El Al's lead. It's not racial profiling, it's suspect description.

          That said, in wake of 9/11, when the entire world thought Iraq had (and turns out did) have WMD's, crushing them was non-negotiable. The problem is, we didn't go far enough. We should have built the largest military base ever constructed in the middle of the country and put the entire Middle East on notice... you had an opportunity to get your crap together and you proved incapable. Now we're here to stay to make you do it.

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          • Posted by MinorLiberator 9 years ago
            I agree on a much needed change in GOP leadership. Undecided on Cruz. Waiting on the others. But the change has to be oriented towards restoring individual rights, The Constitution etc. Please leave "social conservative" ideas out of it.

            Also agree that DHS and TSA etc. are useless. I hate the term "racial profiling", I really like yours.

            And as a student of history and especially WWII, and one who thinks Patton should have gone all the way to Moscow, my only disagreement with your final point is that Bush Sr. should have implemented what you suggest the first time around. It worked out well in Germany and Japan, and maybe we would have avoided 9/11. Of course the Middle East would have been more complicated than a completely vanquished Germany and Japan, but could it by any stretch of the imagination have turned out worse than the mess we face now?
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            • Posted by 9 years ago
              Agree with you on every point, save the "social conservative".

              The Founding Fathers wrote extensively (and I believe correctly), that the framework they created for us depended heavily (owing its structural integrity) on the morality of the citizens. The maintenance of Judeo-Christian values on which our rights and law are based is mission critical.

              This is not antithetical to liberty and personal freedom, it's essential to it.

              As an intellectual curiosity, what tenant of social conservatism do you think should be jettisoned?
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              • Posted by MinorLiberator 9 years ago
                I can think of several, but the first would be a "pro-life" or "anti-choice" stance. And next, probably any attempt by the government to "define marriage"...
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                • Posted by 9 years ago
                  Totally agree government should have NOTHING to do with marriage. Mankind got by to thousands of years without government marriage licenses.

                  However, if we do not protect the lives of those that are completely defenseless, what kind of country are we? As a country, do we protect babies, or do we murder them?
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                  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years ago
                    I agree. It is a mistake for the gov to intrude into personal affairs.

                    And I also agree that power allows you the option of protecting the innocent. If you do not choose to do so, that is your prerogative, but it does not speak well of you.

                    Jan
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              • Posted by strugatsky 9 years ago
                Bible-based group think.
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                • Posted by 9 years ago
                  Yes, Madison, Jefferson, Washington, Locke, Adams, Jay, Hamilton, Franklin, and the rest of the Founding Fathers were definitely "group thinkers"... clever.
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                  • Posted by strugatsky 9 years ago
                    No, they were not. If you read their writings, it becomes clear that they specifically kept away (and often ridiculed) Bible-based group think. Religion has been a part of American private and family life since the beginning of the country, but it has become part of government only in the second part of the 20th Century, perhaps as a response to specifically anti-religious sentiment making its way into government. Neither belongs in government.
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                    • Posted by 9 years ago
                      Might want to brush up on your history a bit. Church services were actually held in the Capitol under Jefferson and subsequent presidents.
                      Take a look at references to God in Washington's Thanksgiving proclamation.
                      Check out Jefferson's "Notes to Virginia State" "God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are of the Gift of God? The list goes on an on.
                      You're actually 180 degrees out of phase. It's only been in relatively modern history that religion was taken out of public discord, based in large part on incorrect interpretation of Jefferson's letter to Danbury Baptists, which is widely known.
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                      • Posted by strugatsky 9 years ago
                        Washington, not being of a phylosophical mindset, was the most, if not the only one who was religious. Jefferson, Franklin, especially Locke, and to some degree others played lip service to religion as they knew that, obviously, most of the people were religious. But they made great effort to keep it out of the government. I have no issue with anyone's personal beliefs; the issue is only when those beliefs are enforced upon me and others through the power of the government. I think that you will find very few on this site that would disagree with this view.
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                        • Posted by 9 years ago
                          Quite the contrary. While I agree religion should not be forced on anyone, but to say that America was not founded by deeply religious founders is simply wrong. One need look no further than the first sentence of the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence.

                          The Founding Fathers did not want a "state religion" as England had, but the notion that religion would be devoid would have been anathema to them.
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                    • Posted by $ jdg 9 years ago
                      Religion was always part of government since the beginning of recorded history. It was only around the time of the American and French revolutions that most of Europe abandoned inquisitions and heresy trials and created freedom of religion -- and even then it has never quite been total, though the early US came closer than just about anyone else.

                      Most of the religiously-motivated laws that interfere in private life today (such as the restrictions on abortion and marriage discussed upthread) were always the law in this country, and didn't start to be challenged until at least the 20th century.

                      I agree with you that such laws have no business being in government, but the First Amendment was never intended to say that. So we need at least one new "mind your own business" Constitutional amendment to justify keeping them out. Courts that pull new rights out of where the sun don't shine (as in both Roe v. Wade and Lawrence v. Texas) can change their minds.
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                      • Posted by strugatsky 9 years ago
                        The framers of the Constitution could have never imagined that lawyers can metastasize so deep and so fast. They wrote a simple set of rules, which listed those, and only those powers that were allowed to the federal government. Everything else was forbidden for the federal government. Thus, no 3-letter agencies, no Roe v. Wade, not even a mention of marriage. Then, they let in the lawyers, who began to split such complicated notions as "is" and "shall not infringe." The rest is history.
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          • Posted by freedomforall 9 years ago
            Disagree. We and Iraq and the world would all be better off without any invasion. It was all just an excuse for war and less liberty at home. Iraq had had those supposed WMDs for many years and they were no danger to any American, Brit, Frenchman, Aussie, Turk, etc etc. The danger was an oil market freely traded in non-dollar currency, and that is no reason for invasion.
            This is why the anti-federalists didn't want a standing army, and they were right.
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            • Posted by 9 years ago
              The danger was WMD's being sold/given to terrorists that had declared war on America and the west generally. That war is still going.

              If we went there for oil, why didn't we take it? Frankly, we should have taken an amount sufficient to cover the cost of the war, but instead we allowed the Iraqis to keep their resource.

              Just for the sake of the argument, though, free flow of oil at market prices is absolutely a reason to go to war. Oil is the fuel that runs the engine of the world, which is why we should jettison the Earth Day crowd and develop all the oil and natural gas resources we have in N America.

              All that said, we DID NOT go to war in Iraq for oil... that dog won't hunt.
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              • Posted by freedomforall 9 years ago
                Its the currency paid for the oil, not the oil itself. The dollar has been the only currency accepted for payment of oil for decades. That monopoly was being challenged by Saddam Hussein. It is now being challenged by China, Russia, Brazil, South Africa, India.
                The ancient WMDs were nothing but a convenient excuse to invade. There was no evidence of terrorists being armed by Saddam Hussein, nor any rational Iraq connection to 9/11.
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                • Posted by 9 years ago
                  There's a reason the dollar is used. It's the currency of prosperity, as English is its language.

                  And, it should remain that way... we're the good guys. The current White House occupant not withstanding, America is still the last be hope for freedom and liberty in the world.
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                  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years ago
                    It is used because America wasn't within reach of the Nazis in WW2, so most of the gold was shipped to NY for safekeeping. Also America wasn't demolished by Hilter, so we had a massive advantage over all our competition after the war. They needed us to rebuild so we kept their gold and that helped us dictate what currency would be used. However, we lost the advantage and Nixon had to end the gold standard because the US was inflating the currency and could not afford to keep paying out gold for paper. The only thing that has saved the dollar for the past 40 years is that the Arab (and all other) producers continued to accept only dollars for oil.
                    We (you and I and everyone in the Gulch) may be good guys, but our government stopped that moral practice a long time ago. thats why there is an income tax and a federal reserve and an NSA spying on all of us. They are not the good guys. We have to live it and work for it and fight for it if America is to be the source of liberty again.
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    • Posted by sumitch 9 years ago
      The "name brand" universities have always been filled with upper class snobs and know –it-alls that think they are smarter than the rest of the country. Look at Obama (if he really did go to a university). Try watching the egomaniac O’Reilly.

      The brain trust in the early '60s (Kennedy, McNamara etc.) thought they knew more than the people at Colts and that's why the M16 1A1 had such a jamming problem. They decided that the weapon didn't need case hardening and chrome plating for the bolt and receiver with all their superior knowledge of everything. This one cost lives needlessly, but it did save a couple of bucks.
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