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Trekie Gulchers?

Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 1 month ago to Entertainment
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With the significant response to the "Leonard Nimoy Dies" post, I am now quite curious how many of us Gulchers also call ourselves Trekies?

I'm certainly in.
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  • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 1 month ago
    I am a HUGE trekkie. Many people do not know that Star Trek had many significant "firsts."

    1st interracial kiss: Star Trek, Capt. Kirk and Uhura, episode : "Plato's Stepchildren"
    http://www.neatorama.com/2013/04/10/TVs-...
    I would kiss her for sure.

    So much of the "fantasy" of Star Trek has actually come true. I owned a Motorola Razr, that could call the space station "if I had their number", flipped open just like the communicator.

    Gene Roddenberry's wife, had a lot of roles in Star Trek. She was Nurse Chapel, She played Deanna Troy's mother in STNG, she was also the voice of the computer on the Enterprise.

    I also LOVED DS9, and the introduction of the Ferengi. Ferengi Rules of Acquisition, my favorite of which is a take off of "Charity Beings as home." theirs was "Exploitation begins at home."
    http://projectsanctuary.com/the_complete...
    http://www.sjtrek.com/trek/rules/

    111. Treat people in your debt like family ... exploit them.
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  • Posted by sdesapio 9 years, 1 month ago
    Maybe not hard-core, but I've seen every episode of the original series, "The Next Generation", and every film, countless times - and I'll still switch to them when channel surfing late at night. Star Trek, and Nimoy, are no doubt a part of who I am. I vividly remember being 6 years old, sick in bed, and so happy Star Trek (the original TV series) was on.

    Tribbles. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weD2HhAh...
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 1 month ago
      Got my daughter a tribble for X-mas. We watch "educational TV" once a week, and take in a couple of the original episodes. She is about 75% done with them, and is getting a good dose of the culture.
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      • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 1 month ago
        If she is mature enough I hope you will show her Babylon 5, too. Much better than Star Trek (and I love Star Trek OS.)
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        • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 1 month ago
          From freedomforall's favorite Babylon 5 character, G'kar: "No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power, tyrants and dictators cannot stand."
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          • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 1 month ago
            Other B5 wisdom:
            "The objective journalist is one of those great myths you read about like a griffin or a phoenix ... or an honest politician."
            -------------------------------------------------------
            "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us,and our lives slip away moment by moment, lost in a vast, terrible in between. But there is still time to seize that one last fragile moment, to choose something better, to make a difference."
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            "Without a hope that things will get better, that our inheritors will know a world that is fuller and richer than our own, life is pointless, and evolution is vastly overrated."
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            G'Kar again:
            "I have seen what power does, and I have seen what power costs; the one is never equal to the other."

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            • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 1 month ago
              Very good! Ok, on the mission!

              Guess NetFlix doesn't have it anymore. Have to watch on Amazon for $1.99/episode, or get the DVDs (no BluRay either!). Complete set is $119.
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  • Posted by ProfChuck 9 years, 1 month ago
    I have been a fan of Startrek ever since Gene Rodenberry came to JPL to gather technical data for the original series. Many of us that worked on the space program owe a lot to the Startrek series and its ideas. Rodenberry helped shape the future in many ways. Sadly many of the original cast are gone. Scotty, Bones, and now Spock. We miss them all.
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    • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
      This new group of the Star Ship cast does a very good job of copying the characteristics of the original crew.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 1 month ago
        I am shocked at how well Zachery Quinto does at Spock, and even more surprise at how well Karl Urban (big guy in RoboCop and Riddick) does a diminutive McCoy. They are really on target.
        Nichelle Nichols vs Zoe could turn into an interesting argument.
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        • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
          Carl Urban was also in part of The Lord of the Rings book by Tolkien. He was one of the horse people, the Rohirrim.
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          • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 1 month ago
            Eomer. Eowyn's brother. I thought he played that part well.

            I am glad that he has done well in the industry.

            Jan
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            • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
              I like him. He's played mostly macho men to far, but I think he's a good actor.
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              • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 1 month ago
                I agree - When he described to Eowyn what war was like and why Merry should not go to Minas Tirith, you could tell that he knew that Eowyn was thinking of going to battle herself and that he was actually talking to her, not about Merry.

                As you say, macho - but a good actor. I was surprised that Eomer was not given more renown in the post-LOTR press.

                Jan
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                • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
                  I'm impressed that you have read The Lord of the Rings. I doubt that most people had ever heard of it until the movies started coming out. I struggled through the silmarillion too. I even have the deluxe edition books. I think Jackson is doing a great job of finding or building sets just like I envisioned them. I've got a buddy back in Atlanta with a masters degree in middle ages English (I had no idea there was such a degree). He wrote his thesis in middle ages English and even printed it on parchment and had it bound. Then he found out that the university kept all of their work. He still weeps uncontrollably when he thinks about it.
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                  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 1 month ago
                    Then he should steal it back! The university would probably not even notice. He will appreciate his thesis much more than they would, and there is no use spending the rest of your life crying over something you can rectify. (If he is too lawful-good for that, then steal the original, print out a copy on regular paper, photoshop the university's approval stamps, and smuggle the faux-copy back onto the shelves, where it will collect dust for all eternity.)

                    I learned Middle English so that I could write a poem in it. Eventually, a friend who teaches ME surfaced from oblivion and I sent a copy of my poem to him. He said nice things (though he did have some suggestion on my word choice).

                    Jan, has some Viking in her
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        • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
          I've got a Tribble that purrs and three of the Hallmark Christmas tree decorations, the Enterprise, the shuttle Galileo and the War Bird. Plus The Enterprise Manuel.

          I've had a crush on Zoe ever since I looked her up from the Pirates of the Caribbean movies. Also from the Avatar movie.

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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 1 month ago
            Excellent. I have the old and new Enterprises and the shuttle Galileo. Have to get Klingon Bird of Prey and Romulan WarBird. Never thought about them.

            Zoe, well yes indeed. Its about the athletic build. It is a survival trait after all. So our offspring can outrun T-Rex. Avatar...sigh! Who would've thought we'd go in for 11 ft tall, blue, lithe amazons?

            Nimoy did a lovely job of voicing the patriarch, didn't he?
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            • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
              Very good. This movie had a message too. Tied in with the idea that we are destroying our planet. I did think that the mineral they were mining called "unobtiraium" which seemed a little silly.. That's a shot in the dark how it might be spelled,
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              • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 1 month ago
                Yeah, but the illogic, anti-military theme, and the assumption that obtaining a rare mineral was evil kept me from enjoying Avatar as more than a pretty image. The movie even says that 'the next nearest unobtanium is 200 klicks away from the present site'...obviously too far to move after having traveled 5 light years to get there.

                So the vision was pretty, but the message ruined the movie for me. (Actually, we are not ruining the Earth - just the opposite.)

                Jan
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                • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 1 month ago
                  Kind of with you here. Pretty movie, but didn't like the anti-corporate theme. Did like the concept of the planet though. Believe someone wrote a book about Jupiter like that. Older book. I read it as kid.
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                  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 1 month ago
                    This is one of the 'borderlands' themes. We are taught not to listen, not to smell, hear, see. We do not have a direct neural connection with Gaea, but there is a lot more communication than we are aware of - we have tuned it out. (Specific instances include chemical transmission of data across forests.)

                    Jan
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                    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 1 month ago
                      Seems like the concept of communication can be expanded from neurons firing, to visual and audio, to chemical, even to reactions. Can an ecosystem be thought to communicate through macroscopic interactions? Is this the same as an economic system (e.g. voting with your wallet)?

                      Another book idea - Lay out a "socialist" ecology, and show how it fails.
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  • Posted by DaveM49 9 years, 1 month ago
    Definitely a fan of the original "Star Trek" here and have been since I was a child. Beyond the plywood sets and the wooden acting (and the computer that was slower than a Commodore 64), it was often a show about ideas. Not always ideas I agreed with, to be sure. But how many TV shows encourage one to think? At its best, "Star Trek" did.

    It is all too easy to forget that many of the episodes were thinly-disguised hot-button issues of the time.
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 1 month ago
      My daughter picks up on the thinly disguised message, because she doesn't get them. "Let that be Your Last Battlefield" made her wonder what in the world was going on.
      She of course has no conception of racism, like most of us wouldn't if Al Sharpton didn't keep throwing it in our face.
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      • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
        Make that the entire administration, I'll not shed any tears on the leaving of Holder.
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        • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 1 month ago
          Holder is a clown! Be nice if they'd just cut it out and replace him with someone that will do the job as defined.
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          • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
            If approved she'll just be another Holder except in a skirt.
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            • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 1 month ago
              Shocking the interest in diversity our (cough) president has. The next most qualified person for Attorney General is also a member of the 15% of African Americans we have in the population. Must be a "diversity coincidence".

              Seems like all the stuff he is doing by Exec Order, et al, is in desperation that the voting public is going to shut down the progressives. I sure hope so, as long as it doesn't come along with a bunch of social agenda crap.
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              • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
                Ain't that a co-inky dink though? I hold it against congress that they have let him get away with that executive order crap. I wish this congress would null and void it. Both GOP & DNP are betraying the legal citizenship. Anyone that has voted with Obama is a traitor to this country in my book.
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  • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 1 month ago
    True "Trekkies" have been called "Trekkers" for more than 30 years (except for in Australia where every nickname ends in "ie" ;^)
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    • Posted by CTYankee 9 years, 1 month ago
      Gotta discredit the "No True Scottsman..." argument. In the beginning we were 'Trekkies'.

      One day back in the '70's, someone who 'conflicted' by his fandom, and probably tired of being referred to with a 'friendly diminutive' as such, in a derogatory manner by some contemptible non-trekkie, decided to coin a 'new' term that lacked the diminutive aspect; and 'Trekkers' emerged.

      To me 'Trekkers' are a little bit insecure in their fandom, and lack the essence of the 'original and pure faith of us old-fashioned 'Trekkies'.

      Do not grieve, I am and forever will be a Trekkie!
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    • Posted by Flootus5 9 years, 1 month ago
      Actually in Australia they would be "trekkos". They like to end nicknames with "o" as well. For examples Fremantle is Freo, Rottnest Island is Rotto and of course we yanks are the infamous "seppos"
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      • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 1 month ago
        Yeah, there are s good number of o's, too, like Salvo's, but I still heard more ies than o's. Here are a few:

        Barbie Barbeque
        Brekkie breakfast
        Footy football (rugby)
        Westie Sydney-westsider
        Bikie motorcylist
        Sunnies sunglasses
        Mozzies Mosquitoes
        Pokies Poker Machines
        Greenie tree hugger
        Waxy surfer
        Middy glass of beer
        Tinnie can of beer
        Coldie cold beer
        Lollies candy/sweets
        Esky cooler (from eskimo)
        Pollie politician
        Bluey Aussie Blue healer dog
        Brizzie Brisbane
        Bundy Bundaberg (city and rum)
        Furphy rumor
        There are heaps more, too, but I'd have to be there to think of em.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 1 month ago
    after soaking up all of the science fiction I could find,
    as a kid, Star Trek and the New Generation have
    taken fond placed in my life. I am editing a "science
    friction" book right now. . Trekker. -- j

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  • Posted by DrZarkov99 9 years, 1 month ago
    Elements of "Start Trek" principles have a lot in common with Locke's philosophy, which was the basis for the America as envisioned by the Founders, so it's of little surprise that most Gulchers are fans of the series. I am bothered by the very socialist ideology promoted by many of the writers, with capitalists (like Mudd) portrayed as dishonest con men, if not villains.

    I found it sadly humorous that as relations seemed to be improving between the U.S. and the collapsing USSR, we somehow became grudging allies of the Klingons, and the Ferengi were invented as evil capitalists to provide a new enemy. The effort failed, and in fact the audience developed a kind of fondness for the Ferengi during the DS-9 period.

    My observation is that most Gulchers would like to be thought of as Vulcan brethren. I find few that seem to have any sign of contempt for the ST stories.
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    • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 1 month ago
      Pro-futurist, pro-science, optimistic...

      What was there not to like? (Wish there were more of that genre.)

      Jan
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 1 month ago
        Yes, I don't need "dismal" in my movies.
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        • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 1 month ago
          10 points! (But I could only give you one.)

          Art should lead. If it isn't doing this, then it should get off its lazy butt and do so. Worse yet: If it _is_ leading right now, zombie dystopias is the future we are creating for ourself.

          Jan
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          • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 1 month ago
            Plus 1 for you, too, Jan. Roddenberry's vision was daring and passionate. Disguising it in science fiction was the only medium to bring it into the culture. Every episode was a parable, a morality lesson that the thoughtful viewer could carry over into the real world. Watching a Star Trek episode for me was always a transcendental intellectual experience. May reruns run in perpetuity for the younger generation to get inspiration. And may the Franchise remain ever in the hands of those true to the original vision.
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  • Posted by cjferraris 9 years, 1 month ago
    I actually grew up during ST TOS, and at the time, couldn't get into it.. Got into it after it went into syndication. I was 6 years old when it first came out, but since, have seen everything on film (that I know of) and really love how they tie in everything, relationships, technology, awareness, and even through it all, it remained for the most part individual decisions. How different than how our society has become when the will of the politicians have influenced our lives so much.
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  • Posted by $ andrearich 9 years, 1 month ago
    I'm definitely in. I'm somewhat surprised by the large feeling of loss I feel at the news of Leonard Nimoy's death. But Mr. Spock will never die.
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    • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
      He will definitely live long and prosper. There's a thought in Mexico that as long as a person is remembered they are not truly dead, I'll keep him alive for whatever years I have left,
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 1 month ago
    Me. me. memememememe.

    SF, Fantasy, LOTR. Trekie. Comics.

    io9 is rife with liberals - pity. I occasionally comment on a thread...with predictable results.

    Jan
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 1 month ago
    I've been a science fiction fan since before it was called science fiction. Star Trek was the first well produced, space opera with interesting characters, inventive plots, and considering the times, good special effects. How could any S.F. fan worthy of the name not fall in love with it? And, it turns out, that Rodenberry's suspicion that there were many more fans of the genre out there than met the eye, was true.
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  • Posted by StephSCO 9 years, 1 month ago
    I am most definitely a Trekkie (I think the term "Trekkers" is just for snobs). I wish I could have had a chance to talk to Leonard Nimoy when he was in town for Starfest.
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    • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 1 month ago
      In my opinion, trekker is a term for all those who long 'to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no one has gone before." I conclude the structure of the word does infer more than being a fan of a tv show, but again that is my opinion and I did not invent the terms.
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      • Posted by StephSCO 9 years, 1 month ago
        Well, thanks for sharing that. Perhaps it's my own interactions with fans at conventions, but when it comes to being a Trek fan, I just don't like the term "Trekkers", because the fans who I've talked to who use that term think that they are better than those of us who are "Trekkies" and wear that label proudly.

        I actually have no problem with the word Trekkers outside of the Trek fan community; my favorite travelogue show is "Globe Trekker", after all. It's just when I run into Star Trek fans who use the term like they're setting themselves above Trekkies.
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        • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 1 month ago
          No worries. If I had the same experience you did, I would have a similar opinion. Who needs cliques!
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          • Posted by StephSCO 9 years, 1 month ago
            Cliques suck. I've noticed a lot of them at the conventions Bob and I go to, and a lot of the people in these cliques will pretend to be friends with you, but the moment you say or do one tiny little thing they don't like, they shun you, or they make a big production out of booting you out of their little club. I hate jerks like that.
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    • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 1 month ago
      Agree. I think "Treker" is a response from "Trekies" that are self-conscious of the negative context coming from the sneering "peaked in high school" people who show up to deliver pizza when you are celebrating your first promotion as an engineer.
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  • Posted by Technocracy 9 years, 1 month ago
    One of the most memorable episodes, on a lot of levels, from TOS was...

    Mirror, Mirror
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    • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 1 month ago
      There was a subtle reference to Mirror Mirror and another episode "The Enemy Within" in the Start Trek Movie: Star Trek V: The Final Frontier (1989). when Spok's half brother tried to "help him.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLzJAebf...
      You can see the difference between the good and evil sides of the same person.
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      • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 1 month ago
        I didn't really like the basic premise of that movie. So, you don't control people. You free their minds of regret/pain, and they turn on their friends? Really?
        Of course, any Gulcher would expect me to love the idea of shooting a "god" with phasers!
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        • Posted by freedomforall 9 years, 1 month ago
          Great rational dialogue from that movie:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkT1-N0V...

          Kirk: What does God need with a starship?

          McCoy: Jim, what are you doing?

          Kirk: I'm asking a question.

          "God": Who is this creature?

          Kirk: Who am I? Don't you know? Aren't you God?

          Sybok: He has his doubts.

          "God": You doubt me?

          Kirk: I seek proof.

          McCoy: Jim! You don't ask the Almighty for his ID!

          "God": Then here is the proof you seek.

          [Shoots Kirk with lightning]

          Kirk: Why is God angry?

          Sybok: Why? Why have you done this to my friend?

          "God": He doubts me.

          Spock: You have not answered his question. What does God need with a starship?

          "God": [shoots Spock with lightning; then addresses McCoy] Do you doubt me?

          McCoy: I doubt any God who inflicts pain for his own pleasure.
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          • Posted by $ Thoritsu 9 years, 1 month ago
            Just a little old testament god, before he got religion.
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            • Posted by woodlema 9 years, 1 month ago
              Really?
              Egypt, enslaves over 2 million Israelites, kills them at will, worships many gods.
              Single God of Israel tell Egypt Let my People go!

              You refuse to free my people and doubt me, then I finclict a plague. you still doubt me, how about another, until the last plague.

              Egypt releases people, then changes their minds traps them at red sea to KILL THEM and Enslave the women.

              God parts red sea Israel escapes, God closes sea on Egypt's armies.

              If you look in Context even I the Old testament THAT was pretty much the theme. Opposers given many opportunities do NOT be EVIL.

              Remember even in the land of Caanan, the people there were sacrificing children to Moloc. But hey, lets not call that bad...

              Also my point had NOTHING at all to do with the "God" theme, only the subtle reference to needing their pain and bad side to be their complete person. Not sure why you turned it into a God discussion, or why I was STUPID enough to fall for the "change the topic/dialog" thing liberals do.
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  • Posted by $ Mimi 9 years, 1 month ago
    Count me in.
    I don’t know if anybody remembers but I did say I few months ago I have a stand-up cardboard Mr. Spock that often spooks my guest. I also mention at Christmas he gets to wear the fluffy halo.
    I also have the album he made with Shatner and use it as a sleep aid. You got to here him sing "Sunny”.
    OST forever.
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    • Posted by $ Mimi 9 years, 1 month ago
      I meant ‘hear' not ‘here’ in the last sentence, and in the second sentence, the third ‘I’ should be ‘a’. I’m sorry for not editing sooner.
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  • Posted by $ puzzlelady 9 years, 1 month ago
    Profoundly yes, I'm in. The concepts that flowed from the mind of the Great Bird of the Galaxy are still an inoculation against the dementia of internecine destructiveness endemic in the human race.

    Oh, yes, and I met Scotty at a convention, who delightfully flirted with me. Sigh.

    I am also an enormous fan of "2001" and Arthur C. Clarke's opus. I have some personal correspondences with Sir Arthur spanning a few years. (Pardon the name-dropping.)

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned Isaac Asimov as part of the sci-fi pantheon, considering his volume of writing dwarves all the others. His Foundation series bears mention and praise. I met him at several conventions.

    Great work has been done by other sci-fi giants such as Star Wars and Babylon 5. But Star Trek rules.
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    • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
      Asimov's three laws of robotics have been used in many other stories by other authors. They've become almost a common fact of robotics. I wasn't too impressed with the movie with Will Smith in it. I don't think the script writer delved deep enough into what they are. Asimov loved to come up with ways to beat around the laws.
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    • Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 1 month ago
      I mentioned Asimov. It's cool you've met all those people. I have not even seen them in person.

      I love the Foundation series. I was thinking about it the other day when someone talked about a Gulch in an obscure place, like the edge of the galaxy in Foundation. I imagined the founders knowing that the Gulch would grow if it maintained liberty and in stages it would face a series of crises as it went from a joke, to something making money to be looted, to a reigional power, and beyond.
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  • Posted by $ allosaur 9 years, 1 month ago
    I remember reading the following in the letter section of the TV Guide magazine either in the late 60s or early 70s.
    A Star Trek fan complained that he was not a Trekkie but a Trekker.
    After laughing, I could only admit that a Trekker sounds a bit more dignified than a Trekkie.
    Don't know how that got so hard-wired into old dino's memory banks.
    I've seen all the alternate TV seasons and movies but I wouldn't bother going to a convention.
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