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  • Posted by PeterAsher 9 years, 1 month ago
    The Tutor

    For those seeking knowledge
    By going to college,
    Learning will be by rote.
    They’ll develop the skill
    Of the run-of the mill,
    And the world will change by their vote.

    But the powerful few,
    The eternally new,
    Seek a tutor that’s greater by far’
    Than those who pass on
    Conclusions foregone
    That prevent you from being who you are.

    Don't let us be told
    By those who so bold
    Claim the truth with rhetorical bluster,
    To gain knowledge complete,
    You must sit at the feet,
    Of the Wright Brothers’ flight instructor!

     Peter Asher 1986
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 1 month ago
    Scott Walker speaks the truth here.

    I have an Ivy League degree. In fact, I have two Ivy League experiences under my belt: my Bachelor of Science (in Engineering and Applied Science) from Yale College, and my Fellowship in Medical Information Science at the Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center.

    So if anyone knows what value an Ivy League degree truly adds, I would.

    And I can tell you: those statist theorists and politicians out there, vastly over-rate the Ivy League degree, and indeed any college degree.

    And Rand knew this. Did not Fred Kinnan, head of Amalgamated Labor of America, scornfully say that "outside of your college-bred pansies there is [not] one village idiot whom you're fooling"?
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    • Posted by ewv 9 years, 1 month ago
      The value of an Ivy degree -- or a degree from anywhere -- depends on the subject you study, whether it is undergraduate or graduate level, and the biases of the faculty, which are notoriously leftist especially at Ivy schools. The _influence_ of an Ivy degree and the contacts one establishes -- in politics and cronyism -- also depend on the subject you concentrate on. The "value" and the "influence" tend not to overlap.

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  • Posted by LibertyBelle 9 years, 1 month ago
    I am not anti-intellectual but I do not have a h--l of
    a lot of respect for formal education (especially
    the public variety). When I went to school, I had to
    listen to the other kids' aggravating stumbling over
    words, while my mother (a high school dropout) had taught me phonics, so I learned with very
    little difficulty. She had done that with no col-
    lege degree. George Washington had no college
    degree; neither did Abraham Lincoln; and they
    were two of the greatest presidents this country
    had in all its history. I have been to tech schools
    and passed different courses, and been unable
    to get a job in the field supposedly taught, so I
    am not about to let myself be swindled into
    spending four years and getting tens of thous-
    ands of dollars in debt to be swindled again, and
    beef up the arrogance of the people in charge
    in colleges.
    It seems to me that people who go to col-
    lege come out saying that the proper philosophy
    is that no one can know anything, that there is
    no right or wrong, and that statism is an ideal;
    and if people go to college to learn to be Com-
    munists, it would be a relief to me to have a
    president who had done no such thing.
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  • Posted by mccannon01 9 years, 1 month ago
    Hmmm, does anyone besides me find it rather odd that these liberal elitists who have a complete dependency on high school drop outs to keep them in office would carp about a real producer who dropped out of college? Just for the record I am a self-made-millionaire-college-dropout. I left for personal family reasons and will not discuss it. When I left I had a QPA 4.0 and just passed a calculus exam with a 98% (had 100's up to that point so I don't know what happened and never asked - didn't care at the time and still don't). When I size up a candidate for my vote, I want to know what he/she has done that is pertinent to what I think he/she will do while in office. Institutional credentials are not in the equation.
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  • Posted by Bennudo 9 years, 1 month ago
    The conversation was getting interesting when there was discussion about the merits of today's college education. In many fields, a degree is a requirement to even be considered. I find that hard to stomach after meeting some of these folks that have degrees from well known colleges and are seemingly unable to breathe without assistance. I am certainly not anti-intellectual, having 3 degrees and always in search of new knowledge, but I tend to agree that many colleges have become soapboxes for the faculty rather than institutions of learning. my personal view is that if the goal of college was to validate a certain level of knowledge or abilities, they would allow you to take a comprehensive examination to validate the knowledge without needing to take their classes. As we all know, this is not the case so it must simply be another business model to reap a profit. The book "One Second After" has some good illustration of the true value of education when you read it - in the book, a certain educated professional is trying to be allowed entrance into the safety of a community, after an interview they determine that regardless of the high powered job and education the individual is worthless to the community. After the collapse of society in the book, only those with skills enabling survival and basic needs are considered worthy of entry. This was a bit of a long note and included a tangent, but that's my 2 cents on the topic.
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  • Posted by $ rainman0720 9 years, 1 month ago
    To see how hard the MSM is already working to dig up something on this guy, they must really be scared that he'll run.

    That's something that's become obvious to me in the last couple elections: the more that someone looks to be a viable Republican candidate, the earlier the MSM goes after him/her, the more voraciously they try and dig up something---anything--from the person's past that could be used against them in the court of public opinion.

    Maybe it's been that way for a lot longer. It just seems much more obvious to me recently.
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    • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
      You can also tell that who the GOP does or does not want to run by the level of support it gives him/her. They all but boycotted Ted Cruz because he's not part of their holy elite club.
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    • Posted by BeenThere 9 years, 1 month ago
      ah, the MSM..........and when dictatorial powers become established, historically, what segment of the culture are among the first to be "kicked in the gutter" if not executed?
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    • Posted by $ 9 years, 1 month ago
      I'm reminded what happened when Candidate Obama told Joe the Plumber that he was "going to spread the wealth around."
      The media was so afraid that Obama's admitted socialism would cost him the election that MSM and the rest of the left-wing media dug up dirt on Joe the Plumber, all jumping up and down like monkeys and yelling "Lookit this! Lookit this!"".
      I have yet to wrap my brain around how what Obama said could relate to anything to do with Joe the Plumber's background. Furthermore, Joe was not the one running for POTUS.
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 1 month ago
      They're not going to find anything. They've been looking for nearly 10 yrs and haven't found anything yet. The only thing that they can do is fabricate something and have someone lie, like they did with Palin and DeLay.
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  • Posted by pappyw47 9 years, 1 month ago
    I left college with 154 credits and no degree. Looking back over 50 years, I used very little of what I learned in those 154 credits with any position I held. While I look back in awe at what I accomplished, if I was to start over, I would be a welder or an electrician. I had a few good instructors who taught me how to think for myself, but about 90% plus just wanted to tell me what to think.
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  • Posted by $ MichaelAarethun 9 years, 1 month ago
    Excellent! Corollary? A law degree is proof of need for an education.

    Maybe he used a student loan? But did he pay it back before or after it became a tax deduction?

    Which reminds me. Anyone who doesn't (males only) signed that little card at age 18 can easily be put in the military and have the bill deducted from their GI Bill. I do believe signing that card is the same as volunteering for military service at a time and date to be decided later by the government. Bingo! All Volunteer ready and waiting! No need for a draft! See where that thinking leads you.....Insert big tongue in cheek smiley face right here.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 1 month ago
    Walker is right.
    A person whose life experiences as well as his rational mind can be a better candidate than the most overeducated goofball.
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    • Posted by BeenThere 9 years, 1 month ago
      Roark had no college degree.............AR did not reveal how many units he acquired before the dean (hmmm Howard?) summarily booted him...................as for Howard Dean.........consider the source. KOTCB (Kneeling Over The Commode Barfing)
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    • Posted by NealS 9 years, 1 month ago
      Sometimes too much education can ruin people, especially since we are seeing what these prestigious universities are teaching these days. Some people are taught how to think, what to believe, even how to behave. It depends on who is teaching them to know how they might turn out. Take Obama for example, it would be interesting to compare grades of his with the grades that Walker got to date. Oh, that's right, Obama has hidden his grades. Could it be that perhaps they weren't so good because maybe he smoked a lot of pot or crack most of his college years? How could he prove otherwise? Who knows? I think someone might have helped out to get him a law degree, sort of like the same as the books he supposedly wrote. But then again, he may have written them from a teleprompter.
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      • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
        Could it be he does not have a degree? He doesn't seem to want to provide any evidence. Why? I'm suspect of the education of anyone that thinks it's the Marine Corpse.
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        • Posted by $ 9 years, 1 month ago
          It could be that "foreign student" is written on something. I'm sure his grades sucked.
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          • Posted by NealS 9 years, 1 month ago
            We already know about the "foreign student", and since he was a lawyer (so I've heard), he must have graduated from some school. I really think it was his grades, they were so poor he barely made it because of the dope (you have to always have an excuse in case you get caught), or he might even have gotten a pass because of his "foreign" status, or maybe even some other ethnic reason.

            Perhaps this will teach us a lesson not to let anyone get elected without being properly vetted in the future. Nah..
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  • Posted by peterchunt 9 years, 1 month ago
    The proof here is what Scott has achieved. Education is learned many ways, and while there is nothing wrong with getting a University education, that is not the only way one learns. It is truly egotistical to look down at a person who learned away from the Ivory Tower.
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    • Posted by BeenThere 9 years, 1 month ago
      And may all keep in mind the difference between egotistical and egoistical.............
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      • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 1 month ago
        I know the difference, but I am unable to explain it to someone who hasn't read Atlas, for instance. Could you put it in to words?
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        • Posted by BobFreeman 9 years, 1 month ago
          'The egoist in the absolute sense is not the man who sacrifices others. He is the man who stands above the need of using others in any manner. He does not function through them. He is not concerned with them in any primary matter. Not in his aim, not in his motive, not in his thinking, not in his desires, not in the source of his energy. He does not exist for any other man—and he asks no other man to exist for him. This is the only form of brotherhood and mutual respect possible between men.

          For the New Intellectual

          “The Soul of a Collectivist,”
          For the New Intellectual, 81 "

          "Egotist' seems to be a poorly defined word used to label those one thinks like themselves too much.
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  • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 1 month ago
    we have learned about Hillary's heavy study of
    Alinsky;;; if we knew about BHO's, I bet that it
    would be quite similar -- transform the u.s. -- j

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  • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 1 month ago
    Obama must not be too proud of his degree. He refused to release his grades or any papers he wrote while obtaining his "prestigious" education. Still curious how he paid for it.
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    • Posted by ewv 9 years, 1 month ago
      Obama didn't earn great grades, at least before Harvard Law, but he wasn't dumb either. One has to suspect that more importantly he doesn't want his courses, papers, and influences to become better known.

      He was a "legacy" admission to Harvard due to family history there -- his father had a master’s degree in economics from Harvard -- along with his unusual background and experience after Columbia, but he didn't have a lot of money for an Ivy League education. If he didn't get a scholarship when he moved from Chicago organizing to Harvard Law you have to wonder who paid for it to push the recruit along.

      The best account of what is known about Obama's education that I know of is in Alan Gottlieb's, "Black & Blue: How Obama and the Democrats are Beating Up the Constitution", which has a lot of research on Obama's educational background. It includes the unusual history of how Obama got on the Harvard Law Review by impressing the far leftist Laurence Tribe. http://www.amazon.com/Black-Blue-Democra...
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    • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
      I'm sure mostly scholarships and loans. What of it?
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      • Posted by Mamaemma 9 years, 1 month ago
        What makes you sure? Have you seen documentation of those scholarships and loans? Or are you assuming?
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        • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
          I'm assuming based on my knowledge of financial aid policies at those schools. Around Obama's time I went to an Ivy for professional education. Much more recently my stepson went to two other Ivys for undergraduate, graduate and professional education. Another son transferred to another Ivy for undergraduate school. Those schools are mightily endowed and are extremely generous with financial aid. The aid is virtually without exception handed out solely based on need. On the other hand, admission is 100% need blind. Most aid is a combination of scholarship and loan (Princeton is an exception to this, it is all scholarship there). Unless Obama's mother was earning over $100k he almost certainly received substantial financial aid at both Columbia and Harvard Law School. As to grades, Obama was the editor in chief of the Harvard Law Review. There are only two ways to get on the Review, first year grades or writing on in a competition. I neither know nor care which route he took, it's impressive either way. The editor in chief is chosen be a vote of the other editors. He must have done well at Columbia and had good recommendations and a smoking LSAT score to get into Harvard. As to undergraduate admission to Columbia, I recall he transferred from Pepperdine or some other So. Cal. private school. He must have had good grades and great recommendations to transfer to Columbia. This I know because my son transferred from Oberlin to an Ivy undergraduate school. It is not easy.
          So yeah, I'm assuming. Do you have any evidence to the contrary? If you need any more detailed info from me I will provide what I can, but I am puzzled as to why people are so fixated on this. Who cares about his education? The man is an awful President, a collectivist and an otherwise non-admirable person. We don't need to speculate about any of that. It's all on the record.
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          • Posted by ewv 9 years, 1 month ago
            His education is not irrelevant to why he is such an awful president. Harvard, especially, with its leftist domination and unusual influence in national politics, was a major factor in Obama getting to where he is for the reasons he and much of Harvard wants him there.
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            • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
              You know, I would think the die was cast as to Obama's thinking before he got to Harvard, but you may be right as to specific policy issues, tax policy in particular.
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              • Posted by ewv 9 years, 1 month ago
                The die was pretty much cast for Obama from his Marxist family before he got to college at all. But a bright and honest student could have been turned around with a decent college education. Columbia made him worse. The die was surely cast before he got to Harvard because he was already a Chicago Alinskyite by then. Harvard was only to learn how to implement it more forcibly, further making him worse than worse. One suspects that he hated the constitutional limitations on government long before he got to constitutional law at Harvard. But all of his education made him into what he became. It's what he wanted.
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                • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
                  That's all basically correct although it may contain some hyperbole. Constitutional Law at Harvard Law School does not resemble anything you would recognize as constitutional law.
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                  • Posted by ewv 9 years, 1 month ago
                    It's all true -- no hyperbole.

                    I don't doubt your characterization of constitutional law there. I can only hope that it's not all as bad as Tribe's "The Curvature of Constitutional Space: What Lawyers Can Learn From Modern Physics" (on which Obama helped him).
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          • Posted by khalling 9 years, 1 month ago
            Confuse and obuscate while glorifying yourself. Lots of idiots have ivy league degrees. Getting into these schools is as much about politics than it is about skills.
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            • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
              A small percentage of undergraduates are admitted because of legacy or athletics. Not true at all at the law school level. I know, you don't believe me. Check out the web sites for the admissions offices and other studies regarding admission and the backgrounds of admitted students. You are correct that there are some idiots with degrees. More to the point, there are many who are not idiots but are dangerous. Obama is one of those. I hope my posts weren't confusing and it doesn't look like I'm doing a good job at glorifying myself that's for sure.
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              • Posted by khalling 9 years, 1 month ago
                skills and talent are everywhere. In fact, many of the most successful americans did (do) not have college degrees. Time was, there were clear benchmarks for what constituted solid degrees in a classic liberal education. My friend's daughter just graduated from Harvard in a special graduate program...wait for it.....literacy.
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          • Posted by khalling 9 years, 1 month ago
            How do you know any of your assertions? His records are sealed. This is a futile exercise
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            • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
              Everybody's college records are "sealed." That's why we don't know Obama's grades. We certainly know he attended and graduated. That's not confidential. It's in the yearbooks for goodness sakes. All my assertions concerned my personal knowledge about how financial aid and admissions work at these schools.
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              • Posted by khalling 9 years, 1 month ago
                That's not true. His are sealed by special court order. Everyone knew Bush's grades in every class.
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                • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
                  Not true. Both Bush and Gore's grades were "sealed" until they voluntarily released them after the election. Interestingly, Bush had higher grades. Did that effect how you voted? As to court orders, you don't need one unless someone sues to open the records. Your college grades will not be released without your permission and you are not running for anything (that I know of).
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      • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 1 month ago
        You're 'SURE'? Then why hide it so adamantly?
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        • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
          Yes, I'm sure. Your tuition and fees are paid one of four ways (or a combination thereof): (1) direct payments by the student or parents; (2) payments made while working while in school; (3) scholarships; (4) loans. Obama was not rich enough to pay everything by (1), the amounts achievable by (2) are not enough to make a significant dent, Columbia and Harvard are both generous with (3) based on need only, and the difference is made up by low interest loans (4). As to why people don't like to make that kind of financial disclosure public, I'm sure it varies. But why does it matter? Does someone here actually think he never attended these schools or is it that someone thinks he received money from some disreputable source? Any evidence to support either conjecture?
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          • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 1 month ago
            Why are you so offended that we question this?
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            • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
              I'm not offended. I just think it's irrelevant to any significant issue and distracts from the real problems with obama. Plus it smacks of Birther nonsense which leads to undermining the legitimate and important criticisms of Obama.
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              • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 1 month ago
                If you think it's irrelevant why go on and on.......and on and on to defend it? The birth issue IS a legitimate criticism. There are also a million more, but don't say it's not legitimate.
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              • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 1 month ago
                Then name his "significant' issues!!
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                • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
                  Government controlled medicine, the insane war on drugs, huge deficits, counterfeiting (the Fed), endless unconstitutional wars, government spying on US citizens, ever increasing taxation and on and on.
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                  • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 1 month ago
                    You must be a liberal....Why no mention of entitlements, over regulation of business, OBAMACARE, gun control, his hacking away at the Constitution, his pen and his phone, he weak stance on terroism and his unwillingness to call it what it is, Benghazi, The IRS scandals (attacking conservatives), operation choke hold, Fast and Furious, climate change agenda (biggest threat on the planet) , Common core (bribing), in bed with unions, ........
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                    • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
                      I said "and on and on." That includes many of your categories including entitlements, over regulation, Obamacare (which I meant to reference as government controlled medicine, a broader category including ever expanding medicare and and medicaid), constitutional violations, etc. etc. I"m not sure we accomplish much by trying to come up longer and longer lists of Obama's failings except to prove neither one of us could fairly be called liberal as that term is now used.
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          • Posted by sumitch 9 years, 1 month ago
            Neither. I don't think he has a Harvard degree.
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            • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
              I find it hard to believe you actually believe this. If you do believe it, I think you are impervious to reason and evidence. So long.
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              • Posted by ewv 9 years, 1 month ago
                With Obama's weird foreign and Marxist background growing up, his gravitation to people like Alinsky and leftist professors, and the way he has tried to hide what he is I can't blame people who are far removed from the educational establishment and who aren't familiar with Obama's known record for wondering if he doesn't have a Harvard degree at all. But insisting that he doesn't have the degree and down-voting corrections is another matter.
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            Posted by CircuitGuy 9 years, 1 month ago
            "(4) loans"
            I heard he "bragged" that he only paid off his loans from law school shortly before running for president. My wife, who went to a state law school, quipped that that's not something to be proud of. Her family was poor; she borrowed all the money to go to law school and paid it back in a few years.
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            • Posted by khalling 9 years, 1 month ago
              what policies does he support that you disagree with? this seems like a discrediting argument not based on substantive points. I have no idea WHO paid for Obama's college, WHAT his college records say (they are sealed why the hell are they sealed?!) shall I go on? How did Michelle land such a sweet deal with a Chicago Hospital? what were her qualifications? How did they buy and sell Chicago property making a mint before they ever signed their names to deeds? so many questions about those already in power and you and your wife are snipping like hens over a paid bill
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            • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
              As I have explained several times, Harvard is extremely generous with financial aid. The loans are low interest but you can pay them back over a long time if you wish. Who cares how long he took to do so?
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      • Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 1 month ago
        President of the United States is one of the most powerful positions in the world. I saw an interview once where Obama laughed and said his high school grades weren't that great. If true a scholarship is unlikely. How he paid for college, his grades and papers he wrote are questions that do not jeopardize national security. Why not just answer them?
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        • Posted by jabuttrick 9 years, 1 month ago
          My high school grades were pretty lousy. I worked very hard in undergraduate school and got great grades, garnered good recommendations and had very good test scores. I ended up at an Ivy professional school. Obama did pretty much the same thing. We are not alone. Why does this fascinate you? Were you as intrigued when George W. Bush and Al Gore balked at releasing their Yale transcripts? Why not?
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          • Posted by ewv 9 years, 1 month ago
            Bush and Gore's records were controversial, too. They were both political elitists admitted as 'legacy' type privileged applicants. Likewise for the Kennedys. But Obama's hiding his past is worse because he is so much worse in his more fully anti-American attitudes and pretense at being intellectually superior.
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  • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 9 years, 1 month ago
    I say a college degree SHOULD be a requirement for President of the United States and it should come from Hillsdale College!
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    • Posted by ewv 9 years, 1 month ago
      A background in religious indoctrination is not and should not be a requirement to hold office.
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      • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 9 years, 1 month ago
        I hope that comment was not about Hillsdale...I only mention that college as it is one of the premier colleges that specialize in Constitutional studies.
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        • Posted by ewv 9 years, 1 month ago
          You didn't just mention Hillsdale, you wrote that a degree from Hillsdale should be a requirement to be President. Hillsdale does in fact heavily promote religion mixed in with its history. Understanding history is very important, but no particular college should be a requirement and there are other options for learning history that are often better than a typical college. But the mixture of religious dogma with education is deadly and is not and should not be a requirement to hold office.
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          • Posted by $ Radio_Randy 9 years, 1 month ago
            Thank you for the clarification. Actually, my comment was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek, but I see that you took it quite seriously.

            Hillsdale College is well know for its focus on Constitutional studies and outreach programs to the American public, like its Imprimis newsletter. As for its religious leanings, I have no opinion.
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