But don't you DARE ask for identification at the polling booth!

Papers Please. I need to see your papers... Your papers are NOT in order. You are under arrest!!!!

I'm old enough to remember my first SS card that had 'Not to be Used for ID' in red letters printed diagonally across the face of the card.

Next up is DNA.

They are called "internal passports"... reminds me of the heady days of East Germany and the good ol' USSR...

Isn't all this "Safety and Security" the oolest and most wonderful thing ever??!! It was cheap, too... all it cost us was a little more of that stuff called Freedom... Doesn't matter, as we've been giving that stuff up for a while now, a little teeny chunk at a time, for some more of that wonderful "Safety and Security"...

I feel Soooo safe.

This is just more evidence that the true purpose of TSA has little to do with actual safety/security. What's happened with all the state votes against National ID and True ID made a few years ago?

I really hate this crap!

As long as we have to act like WWII German citizens, we might as well change the TSA uniform to jack boots and brown shirts.
Also, I used to work in the sea port industry. In order to maintain access to the port we had to get a Transportation Worker Identification Credential (TWIC) issued by TSA. This card had all kinds of secutity measures including a holographic background and a chip loaded with biometric info. Sounds secure, right? A few months after mine was issued the fed database crashed so that the feds could not verify anything (apparently they must have had some IRS computer techs on loan to the TSA. Backups? We don't need no stinking backups!) Anyway, when I flew, just for the fun of it I would show my TWIC when the TSA yahoo would ask for my papers. Half the time they (THE TSA EMPLOYEE) would not accept their own issued ID. The rest of the time they pretended to know what it was and let me through...theater at its worst.

This is horrible. Maybe the passengers standing in line should just start mobing the TSA folks. Every time. After all - the airlines exist to make money and they cannot always shut down every flight. Maybe if they take security in their own hands (visibly armed guards on each flight) we can throw TSA in the dumpster where they belong.

Jan

Seig Heil!

ORIGIN OF ‘REAL ID’: The enhanced security measures stem from the passage of the REAL ID Act of 2005, a U.S. law enacted by President Bush that states that a Federal agency may not accept state-issued identification cards without complying with a number of enhanced standards of the REAL ID Act.
http://www.policestateusa.com/2015/tsa-t...
That's the "history" of the "Real ID." So, from the Referenced URL if you have a Driver's license that has a Bio-chip you already have a Real-ID and apparently most states except those listed in the article issue Real-ID's. States that are providing "Drivers Licenses" to Illegal's -- may be providing them the "power to vote." Obama's Executive Order which allows Illegal's to obtain legal status which allows them to obtain, among other items a Drivers License, may allow them an "ability to vote" -- even though they should not be allowed to vote.

When conservatives see no problem with this I am in great fear for our country.

This also tells me that these conservatives have totally forsaken the Constitution and the spirit of this great country.

Those who surrender freedom for security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”
― Benjamin Franklin

AUTHOR: Benjamin Franklin (1706–90)
QUOTATION: “Well, Doctor, what have we got—a Republic or a Monarchy?”

“A Republic, if you can keep it.”
ATTRIBUTION: The response is attributed to BENJAMIN FRANKLIN—at the close of the Constitutional Convention of 1787, when queried as he left Independence Hall on the final day of deliberation—in the notes of Dr. James McHenry, one of Maryland’s delegates to the Convention.

McHenry’s notes were first published in The American Historical Review, vol. 11, 1906, and the anecdote on p. 618 reads: “A lady asked Dr. Franklin Well Doctor what have we got a republic or a monarchy. A republic replied the Doctor if you can keep it.” When McHenry’s notes were included in The Records of the Federal Convention of 1787, ed. Max Farrand, vol. 3, appendix A, p. 85 (1911, reprinted 1934), a footnote stated that the date this anecdote was written is uncertain.

I fear our Republic has been lost, starting with Woodrow Wilson.

Alexander Fraser Tytler, a European historian published The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic. In his publication, Tytler reported that from his research he had determined the following:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising them the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over a loss of fiscal responsibility, always followed by a dictatorship. The average of the world's great civilizations before they decline has been 200 years. These nations have progressed in this sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith,
From spiritual faith to great courage,
From courage to liberty,
From liberty to abundance,
From abundance to selfishness,
From selfishness to complacency,
From complacency to apathy,
From apathy to dependency,
From dependency back again to bondage."

We are at the stage of dependency now with more than 50% of this nation on some form of Government welfare. Conservatives giving up more freedoms for perceived security is placing us back in Bondage to the Government, and Tyrannical dictators.

If they claim to be a conservative and can't see the problem in this, they haven't really thought about the problem enough to even call themselves conservatives, IMHO. More-like brain-washed sheeple (it does go both ways).

One can not maintain freedom without thoughtful contemplation of proposed laws and the studious application of history. That is what made the Constitutional Conventions so valuable is that you had men there who were students of history and who were determined not to duplicate the mistakes of the past. I would even go so far as to label them real political scientists, because they were actually studying and formulating how government should work from examining the evidence of what had not.

Deadline for Atlantis. We better get busy. Now.

"Of course, this is another chain they put around your ankle tying you to your govt as its slave." Well written k. Soon we'll all need permission to leave our (government-owned) homes every morning.

"Plenty of Conservatives see no problem with this."

There isn't a single reference in the article to either Conservatives and/or Republicans.
Why do you make that inference, then?

I suggest that the Progressives "see no problem with this", even though they aren't mentioned either. The article supports my statement just as much as yours.
Just my humble opinion....

Hmmm, I just started reading State of Terror by John Brown...and it begins by talking about the REAL ID. gah!

They might as well change the name of our country to the Soviet Union and have done.

A good example of why we cannot afford to "label" ourselves into a box. "Conservatives love to bleat about "freedom" yet their "freedom" is based on crap like this. A National Passport. As stated, this leads us right to the fascist nation where you are tracked and controlled by big brother. Has anyone thought of how this "passport" will work? A chip of course. A chip that will have all your personal data on it, that they can use for what they want, as well as can be stolen with ease because the buffoons in government are so far behind the criminals. This will have a very bad end for all of us, on so many levels. And no one will object in any real fashion...

One of the most universal acts of any totalitarian regime is to insert the phrase "your papers, please" into the vocabulary.

I spent a month in Poland in 1992, as the country was still shaking off the vestiges of the Warsaw Pact era. It was common for Poles to make a big deal out of saying "Oh, I left my ID at home" or similar in public places. The reason behind it was that a long-standing law requiring that everyone carry identification had just been repealed. Everyone thought it very funny. Sometimes, others would join in, saying "I forgot mine too!" or the like.

TSA is a sham. Another expensive program of the government. Leave security up to the airlines themselves who own the planes !! And would be responsible in courts for the deaths if they didnt stop airline terrorists. Even better, let the Israelis handle airline ssecurity. I cant remember when I heard of an Israeli jet being hijacked....

My goodness, folks, can't you just get used to being slaves and learn to be happy with whatever the good government says you are entitled to?

My wife and I went to Epcot a few years ago. Waiting at the airport for the flight home I noticed a man with brown skin. I guessed he was from India. He was working on his laptop and got up frequently to look out at the plane. We were both freaked out. I was about to report this when I saw TSA agents (3) coming towards us with a cart of some kind. Certain they would question the man I sat down. They walked over to a family and asked their 14 year old daughter to take off her coat and they searched her backpack. I know her age bacause she happened to be seated next to me later on the flight home. My wife said if that man gets on our plane we are getting off. He waited for another flight and all was well but I have no confidence in TSA protecting us.

There we have it Gulchers; either Fascism or New Atlantis.

Outrageous! There should be no checking of papers within the bounds of the United States of anyone unless there is reasonable suspicion of a crime. I find it appalling that the government is so inept that it cannot control the borders at the border... that border patrol agents are stationed miles away from the borders instead of at the border, or determine who is of concern at air terminals from international flights. My whole bloody state is now considered within the border "zone." This flies in the face of our freedom to travel within our nation without harassment. Our government has gone wild... It is the government oppressors that should be burdened and punished for their ineptitude, not the citizens.
The constitution, "The Privileges and Immunities Clause of Article IV, Section 2 of the Constitution states that "the citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states." This clause protects fundamental rights of individual citizens and restrains state efforts to discriminate against out-of-state citizens. However, the Privileges and Immunities Clause extends not to all commercial activity, but only to fundamental rights."
14th amendment, section 1. "Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionar...
There can be little more fundamental than the right... the liberty, to travel unimpeded by big brother.

I truly wonder if there will be a storming of the bastille.
I once had two hyway patrolmen come up my drive about 1/4 mile long to tell me they wanted to see my license in order to give me a citation because someone saw me on the interstate driving in their opinion erratically. my response was no to their request. when the pursued further I told them I was now going to call my attorney. they then said this could be worked out without paperwork and again asked for the license and agin were told no. they said there was a report so i asked who initiated this and the told me they couldn't devulge the info.
my attorney went to the hyway patrol office and aske for a copy of the report. he knew the clerk for years and told him it was just a phone call.
the point here is that they came on my property when i was in my house and i guess just thought that i would cooperate
government agencies employees will try anything they can with the hope of getting away with what ever. unfortunately for us these civil servants do not have any idea of what they are doing to destroy the country.