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  • Posted by LetsShrug 9 years, 4 months ago
    After the rant the first person said she would make him the 'gay marriage is wrong" cookie.....
    I think this guy went at this from the wrong angle.... this should be presented, not as a christian thing, but as a business owner having control over their business decisions.
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    • Posted by UncommonSense 9 years, 4 months ago
      I concur.
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      • Posted by khalling 9 years, 4 months ago
        double concur. lame stunt. we would have been more cleaver. people seriously need to step out of the way and let the pros do their job. James O'Keefe wannabee
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        • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 4 months ago
          Triple dog dare concur.

          This whole pro- and anti-gay commerce BS is nothing more than just that. BS. It doesn't matter if it's gay money, straight money, libtard money, rightwing money, elderly money, whatever - it pays the bills. If a bakery (not the biggest profit margin business in the world, BTW) can turn away business, then that's their business - and their right. But I can't see throwing away business - hell, if I had a "gay bakery' (meaning what - sells only maple bars, or donuts with holes, but not both? I didn't know baked goods had genders...) I'd make him his stupid cake - because I'd make money for doing it.

          What I really want to know - is what the he!! is a "pro-traditional marriage cake" anyway? It all sounds like a stunt worthy of some weird leftist commie-anarchist group rather than something real. I'll give you one even better - what about someone who is both gay and Christian? Hmmm...
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          • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 4 months ago
            That was the entire point. It was to demonstrate the double-standard. It was an illustration in absurdity to logically show the contradiction inherent in the legal rulings. It wasn't made in good faith or for any other reason.

            The thing I think is telling is that it wasn't just one bakery, but thirteen separate bakeries. One or two and one can dismiss them as outliers. Thirteen becomes a statistically-significant sample size.
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        • Posted by $ winterwind 9 years, 4 months ago
          Do you remember in the movie version of MASH, the 2 doctors who did the surgery on the baby called themselves "the pros from Dover"? I've always used that as you did...let the people who know how to do the job and you can go sit down and color.
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    • Posted by XenokRoy 9 years, 4 months ago
      Agreed, but the question is why wont they make the pro traditional marriage cake? I would argue its fear of retribution rather than something they really believe in.

      You say or do anything pro traditional marriage today and you are branded a gay hater and anti-gay. Then you get dragged through the streets behind the horse, and nearly drawn and quartered.

      No business wants that.
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  • Posted by DaveM49 9 years, 4 months ago
    The article makes an excellent point, though it fails to address the core issue directly. There have been lawsuits in the past against bakeries that refused to provide cakes for same-sex weddings or bearing pro same-sex slogans. These have been an affront to the property rights of the bakery owners to provide service to whoever they may wish. This example raises the same issue.

    One might argue a question of hate speech if someone ordered a "GOD HATES FAGS" cake or went to a Jewish bakery and demanded a cake bearing a swastika or pro-Nazi slogans. But that is not the case here.

    No customer has a "right" to service from a private business. To make a vague comparison, suppose a drooling, unkempt man wearing a Charles Manson t-shirt walks into a sporting goods store and asks to buy a gun, saying that God told him to go forth and slay demons. Is he being discriminated against should the owner refuse to sell him a gun? Does he have a valid claim that he is being persecuted because of his faith?

    An extreme comparison, yes. But the same principle applies.
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    • Posted by Robbie53024 9 years, 4 months ago
      Ah, but the courts have ruled that they do - so long as you are a "protected" or "oppressed" group. If you are mainstream, you evidently have no such protection or expectation of service.
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    • Posted by Kerryo 9 years, 4 months ago
      Sorry, can't agree to your extreme comparison. Too far over the extreme line when you add the threat of physical violence.

      I agree the article doesn't get to the core issue. Yes, business owners have been turning away customers forever for varying reasons. The trend in America of making people unequal is the most troubling to me. The latest iteration of this was when a professor had to apologize for saying that all lives matter instead of black lives matter. If I find the article, I'll post it. As soon as you allow one group to be more important than the other that means you've denigrated another. I thought we were supposed to strive to be equal even if it isn't completely achievable.
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  • Posted by slfisher 9 years, 4 months ago
    When my husband and I got married, we went to a gay bakery in San Francisco, and they had absolutely no problem with it and made us a beautiful cake.
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    • Posted by NealS 9 years, 4 months ago
      Yes, but did you request something written on it that was anti-gay? What's the difference between an anti-gay and a pro-gay statement on a cake? By law there should be no difference. I believe the government has no right in getting involved in determining who a business must service, but since it is in our law now, it has to work both ways. I'm also saying that it doesn't as evidenced by the videos.

      What's the difference between this and racism? Racism also seems to be a one way street, white against black is a crime. What's the law say when it's black against white? Absolutely nothing.

      It's just a lot more division and to keep the people busy with trivia instead of the real issues. What will come next, blonde against brunette?
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      • Posted by slfisher 9 years, 4 months ago
        The point is, I expect anytime you ask a bakery to put something that insults them personally on a cake, you might have problems. Go to a bakery run by blacks and ask them to put anti-black sentiment on a cake, and I expect they'd have an issue with it, as would a white bakery with an anti-white sentiment on it. If I went down to my local bakery and asked them to decorate a cake glorifying Wal-mart, they'd probably show me the door (and if they didn't, I'd wonder what they might have done to the cake).

        It's not gay that's the real issue here. It's a person -- in this case, the one requesting the cake -- being an ...well, I'm not sure I'm allowed to say that word here, but I expect you can guess. :)
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  • Posted by plusaf 9 years, 4 months ago
    I just loved this comment from a 'person' supporting the views of Shoebat...

    "I don't want the govt deciding what speech is acceptable or not. The christian bakers had the right to refuse as do all groups and the hypocracy of the gay supporters is contemptable."

    A wonderful WTF?! comment!
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  • Posted by Grendol 9 years, 4 months ago
    Kosher foods are defined and protected by state laws often. Can I go into a Kosher deli and order a ham & swiss on rye only to sue when they say 'no'?
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