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SEXODUS: WHY ARE YOUNG MEN GIVING UP ON WOMEN?

Posted by richrobinson 9 years, 3 months ago to The Gulch: General
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I wonder how bad things have gotten? Maybe if college aged men read Atlas Shrugged it would help.
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    Posted by etharris 9 years, 3 months ago
    Well, from personal experience (as a recent college grad) there are quite a few reasons a lot of guys my age are done with women. The first reason I'll list, and probably the biggest reason, is how easy it is to find a sexual partner. If you're single, you're literally two taps, a swipe and a couple texts away from hooking up with a girl at any given moment. Kind of goes along with the cow/milk scenario. Now, because of this situation, guys my age don't usually seek the kind of fulfillment prior generations had found in staying loyal to a woman. In the abscence of this form of fulfillment, we seek it elsewhere (i.e. material objects and money). In going after those things, we kind of extend that hook-up mentality. We don't have time to maintain another human being's emotions (in our own mind), and because were trying to become our own version of "successful" we'd really not spend over $50 on a partner either.

    At least thats what I garner from my friends and their behaviors. In an additional observation, today's young women are very spoiled and very detached from the real world (in interesting paradox, a good many of them are also very smart, at least in school). If a man is looking for an emotional partner, the last person he is going to "love" is somebody that is overwhelmingly in love with themselves (same goes for women, amirite?). All of these things, and more, play into the death of the actual dating culture.

    Again, I am speaking from very generalist observations and brief personal experiences (not currently in this situation myself). As we know, personal experience is subjective.
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    • Posted by khalling 9 years, 3 months ago
      Why would one pick someone who isn 't invested in their own life? Spoiled is a different concern. And not a great category for all of a gender. In fact, I would say the women I know in their 20s are by far frustrated in finding men not attached to alternative realities on their down time (ie video games) . I completely understand why people in their 20s look for distractions- the world currently sucks, so why invest, but unless you are bambib I don 't think blaming women will fix it for you any time soon. Btw, I know many 20 something women who do not answer to a swipe and text with sex. Who are these girls you know anyway?
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      • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 3 months ago
        I know many 20-something women who are into very casual hookups. Frankly, I find it disturbing. Even though I'm as old as their parents I get targeted, still, from time to time. There are more easy young women than when I was that age.
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      • Posted by etharris 9 years, 3 months ago
        I agree with your observation of self invested vs. spoiled, but thats what I'm getting at. In todays world of 7 second first impressions, its very easy to come across as being "too" into yourself. I fall victim to this quite often, as I am very confident in myself, to the point of being cocky on occasion. For that reason people say that I have a big "ego" but I know that I wouldn't have what I have today without it, so I let them be. I wasn't blaming women so much as I was all parties. Also, no girl I associate with :) I was just saying that being on a college campus, you see and hear these things often, and while I would say its a stretch that a majority of people use apps like Tinder (which is what I was referencing) some do, and it really is that easy.
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    • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago
      I hadn't thought about how the Internet has changed things. It did sound like many men are done with women completely. I find that part hard to believe.
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      • Posted by etharris 9 years, 3 months ago
        Yea that is a little off. I'm noticing a massive trend as of late amongst the people I have as connections of Facebook (men and women) of new engagements and pregnancies where the man definitely plans to stay. The marriage part is especially true amongst military. Lets be honest here, men will never be "fully done" with women. It's just that the extent that we attach ourselves emotionally to them has lessened a bit over the past decade.
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  • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 3 months ago
    Fear of commitment. That's the biggie.

    Buying into the whole "we can't raise a child in this state of the world" is another.

    Don't want the responsibility - eg "It would cut into my video game and f*** off time I've had for the past 40 years" is a 3rd. (Slight adaptation to this one is having to be responsible and move out on ones own)

    But the all time biggie... Why buy the cow and have to feed it when you can rent it, milk it, and give it back?

    It's not just guys... The women seem to think "Oh, there will be plenty of time to have babys when I'm older"... totally blowing off the reality of their biological clock, as if somehow some medical miracle or outer space alien will somehow allow them to have kids when they're biologically too old to reproduce (include this one in the fantasy genre).

    Of course... it also has to do with the way they were raised - I see an AWFUL lot of kids raised in the 80's and 90's that were spoiled, pampered and mollycoddled by their parents into their 20's or later ("so they would have the things we didn't") As a result - they're in their 30's and 40's, some with advanced degrees - and still act - no, are stuck at the social and mentally developmental age - as if they were 13. And think this is normal...
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    • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 3 months ago
      Actually, you can blow off the bio-clock. An FDA inspector I met told me about her sister who was in her mid-50's who got married to a tree farmer in Montana. She had hormone treatments, produced some ova, had them fertilized IVF by her husband and implanted in a volunteer (her youngest sister). The sister carried the baby to term, bore it, and then gave it back to her elder sister who - at the age of 56 or so - now had a newborn child with herself and her husband as genetic parents.

      Cool.

      Jan
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 3 months ago
        That is cool... tho still, mid-50's nowdays isn't all that old - except when it's your ovaries... unlike their male counterparts, they have a limit on just how many eggs they can make - if you go beyond the "do not use after" date, you are unlikely to get more.

        Then there's the other end of the spectrum - Lot of women nowadays (I went thru this, and a number of friends have as well) end up with Ovarian cysts - due either to environmental issues, the drugs they took when young, or a (seemingly increasing) genetic disposition to get these things in their early 30's - that can cut plans of mommyhood short. Kinda shoots the whole "I want to get my Doctorate and my executive promotion in before I hit the mommy track" thing to hell. (at least I had mine early...)

        Just goes to show you - you put your eggs in one basket, you may not have any in there when it's time to make the omlette!
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        • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 3 months ago
          Kmurmph! OK - got me there.

          But really, it is probably only a short time until we get to the point where they can take a somatic cell and use it instead. (The problem seems to be how to turn certain genes off an on, which Miosis apparently does in ova and sperm. This is why cloning animals is difficult.) There has also been some doubt cast on the 'only a certain number of ova' argument. (I can try to find my source on that, if you are interested.)

          Jan
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  • Posted by $ jbrenner 9 years, 3 months ago
    Men are giving up on women because the definition of sexual assault has expanded to the point where "a pick up line" is viewed as harassment.
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    • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 3 months ago
      And a guy can be fired for talking to a woman in the office and having it "misconstrued". Just went thru our annual "Sexual Harassment" training - The message I got out of that was if a guy says something to you that is not politically correct, sterilized, and femino-centric, you are damned near obligated to turn him in for being a sexual harasser.

      27 years ago, I took a job in a "traditional masculine work environment"... ie Highway Construction and Maintenance - after coming from another one - Auto, Diesel, and Motorcycle mechanics. ALL of us - guys and gals - had magazines, pin ups, hot calenders, etc, told ribald jokes, talked about and to one another as if, well, we were family, not mortal combatants.

      When they got rid of that, started pushing this politically correct rhetoric in the workplace, encouraged us womenfolk (they really did!) to turn in anyone we felt said something unwelcome, inappropriate, or possibly demeaning, (hell, when were we *not*??), it literally destroyed the closeness, camaraderie, and "family" we felt we were a part of. OF course, there *were* some jerkoffs, but they had a hard time explaining the dildo epoxied to the hood of their car, or how they had a shovel-shaped bruise on the side of their face... so in some very limited circumstances, Iit did get the scum out... but it pretty much flatlined our morale at work as well...

      Maybe the good old days weren't kinder, gentler, all care-bear soft, fuzzy, and kum-by-yah snuggly... but it was not our nursery, it was where we worked... and the further we get from it, the more I miss what we gave up for our politically correct workplace.
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  • Posted by Snoogoo 9 years, 3 months ago
    Men can't find good women, women can't find good men. It takes a lot of work and patience, something the entire generation lacks. I think the problem is more with the myth of instant gratification. I started to read this series and I have to say that I'm not really buying into it.
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    • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago
      The problem is that both sexes have devolved into seeing sexual activity as only recreational instead of the foundation of family and society. When one treats the creation of life so cavalierly, it is no wonder. When women think that the only way to get a man to like them is to sleep with them, they devalue themselves. When men only look at a woman as a sexual object instead of as a partner for life, they devalue both themselves and women.
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      • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 3 months ago
        Sex is and should be mostly recreational.

        I see the "sexodus" as a result of two major problems. One is the feminist movement, which achieved real equality in about 1970 but didn't declare victory and disband. Instead they're trying to get women to act as a cartel, and idiotic, prudish new laws are a way to try to enforce that cartel on everybody. The solution to that is to legalize sex work, so that the cartel members will be faced with lots of open, cut-rate competition.

        The second is the idiocy of the major religions on the topic of sex. All the major religions still hold to the nonsensical ethic that says sex should not take place outside of a lifetime marriage. That ethic made sense in a time when the average life expectancy was 40 and reliable birth control didn't exist, but now it is idiocy.

        If the churches would simply admit that the philosophy each one is selling is actually nothing more than the opinion of a group of elders, then they could start making sensible amendments to their rules until they made sense in the modern world.

        A reasonable sexual code would simply say: (1) no non-consensual sex (but we get to make the same non-verbal agreements in getting there that we always have); (2) there's no right to collect child support unless the other party agreed to support a child (since that's usually not the purpose of sex); (3) it's wrong to treat other people badly for doing sexual things that don't involve you: they're none of your business; and (4) it's wrong to have children if you won't or can't support and raise them properly.

        But since the churches have published their rules as "commandments" they don't dare be seen as changing them, and as a result, the sensible majority dump the churches' rules about sex and don't replace them with anything. And thus we get the present society where 30% of all births are to "single mothers", mostly on the dole, and those kids and their descendants will be useless (and likely criminals) for many generations to come.

        We need a church (or something that can take its place) that teaches the sensible rules above, before we are overrun by these taxpayer funded Visigoths.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago
          Actually, psychological studies show that married couples have more satisfying sex lives - not singles. And this is especially true for women, where the emotional bond to her partner is a key factor to satisfying intimacy.

          If the key factor here is what is best for the individual, which studies show is marriage, to throw that evidence away seems to me to be rather short-sighted. Add on top of that the child development and behavior and psychology studies that continue to show that children are most likely to be successful when growing up with both birth father AND mother in the home (see black crime as a perfect example of this), and I think the evidence strongly contradicts your theories.

          Yes, they are traditional values. But when the evidence backs them up, maybe they shouldn't be so cavalierly discarded just to satisfy progressivism.
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          • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 3 months ago
            It's not to satisfy progressivism. It's to satisfy individuals' right to live their own way.

            Telling people they can't or shouldn't do that is exactly what gets today's churches brushed off and ignored by the majority, at least on this topic, with good cause.
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            • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago
              Ignore the evidence at your own peril. You are the only one who can determine your own happiness. The wise man looks at the evidence of those around him - regardless if that comes within the settings of a religious environment or not.
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      • Posted by Snoogoo 9 years, 3 months ago
        I agree that is the problem that many have. I think I just take article with a lot of skepticism because as a 29 year old female and I really hope that all the good men don't give up. I am an admitted idealist and am happy to be so inclined to believe that the really good men would not give up and only the ones lacking true tenacity are the ones involved in the "Sexodus". I know this article is regarding a societal trend, but as you point out, I think it is just one of the many results of a society where so many lack individuality and values.
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      • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago
        Is that new though? The points you make are valid but I think they have been true for a while. If young people are choosing not to have sex at all that seems to go against human nature.
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        • Posted by $ blarman 9 years, 3 months ago
          Oh, no. They're having sex more than any other generation in history. But it is empty because it focuses only on the temporary pleasure of the act and ignores the long-term effects like relationships and family. Girls dress up like sex objects because popular culture tells them that is the only way to get attention. Boys are told that you aren't a real man unless you sleep around, and getting tied down in a long-term relationship cramps one's style. And all contrary to the psychological studies that show that married couples have better quality of life (and more frequent sex) than singles!

          But no one cares about the long-term any more. It's the YOLO culture and mindset of spend now because tomorrow's gone. There is no investment, and consequently no return. It's a literally bankrupt mentality.
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          • Posted by ddustin 9 years, 3 months ago
            Birth control and the dramatic increase in HIV solutions should be brought into this discussion, as they are recent things that have to have a dramatic effect on all this.
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  • Posted by Herb7734 9 years, 3 months ago
    Promiscuity takes care of the chemical, physical needs of young men juiced up with testosterone. But relationships require more than hooking up. They require commitment, which in turn requires a good chunk of self-esteem. (Paraphrasing)
    "I offer to you the thing I value most, myself." Many women have a similar problem in that they think that sex is a necessary early component of starting a relation ship, but they don't bother to look beyond physicality in order to discover who and what he is. That also means a need for feminine self esteem. (paraphrasing again) "If you think of yourself as a heroine you will seek out a hero."
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    • Posted by johnpe1 9 years, 3 months ago
      you nailed it, Herb! . the anchor relationship really
      needs to be a hero-heroine one, and thrive in
      maintaining that personal goal for each and both,
      together. . Rand celebrated that, and hinted at the
      loyalty to highly-valued friends (Dagny and Francisco,
      e.g.) which can amount to extended family. -- j

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  • Posted by CaptianCapitalist 9 years, 3 months ago
    I watched this video twice because I just could not grasp my mind around men not wanting to couple up with a women and this whole "sexodus" thing . I see and understand it but I don't see how a guy or women do not migrate toward each other. In fact I didn't even know that there was such a thing going on. it boggles my mind to see what the world has become.

    I do see how people not just men get isolated in gaming and other such virtual reality but that is no excuse to not to get involved with the opposite sex and to have relationships with them. if it really is hard to find real men it is also true that it is hard to find real women, but to find a quality person you do need to search for one.

    To me it seems like just another label to put on men/women to not get together because they have studies that show certain things. just for example if new studies came out stating that arsenic is actually healthy for you and it should be incorporated in your diet as a vitamins people would actually do it because of there incompetence to think and to follow the crowd because that is "safe". Now of course this study is not true but people would believe it entirely at a glance.

    AR said that like minded people attract and that who you sleep with determines how you value of yourself.

    I really think that the cause of this is the guys listening and believing to too much BS and are not socializing enough.

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    • Posted by 9 years, 3 months ago
      I agree. I can not believe young men would give up sex. It goes against there biological state. If the Sexodus is true I would think it would take a drug to interfere with their natural desires.
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  • Posted by jimjamesjames 9 years, 3 months ago
    As AR said, "To say, 'I love you,' one must first know how to say the 'I'"

    I taught my grandson my rules, based on experience, of relationships. 1. watch how a women handles her money; that's how she will handle yours. 2. Never have a woman without goals of her own; you will become her goal. 3 Never have a woman dumber than you; she will cause you problems. 4 When a woman says she can't get pregnant, she is planning on getting pregnant.
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    • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 3 months ago
      Unless she really can't get pregnant... One of those tings you should really know about her (AND yourself) pretty early on! (Then again, had our grandparents based everything on making sure they didn't get pregnant, we wouldn't be here!)

      I like these, tho... the money thing is huge - if you and your other half don't share the same philosophy on finances (or, worse, one of you grows more than the other) you're in for a rocky time of it. If your other half is dumber (or smarter - hard self assessment to make) than you, it will make for a difficult relationship as you'll be on other levels. And the goal hopefully is making something out of the union of both of you, not one turning the other into what the other wants.

      To this I add - if I may - ALWAYS remember your self worth, your integrity, and your identity, and if a potential other half diminishes any one of these 3, then you're not looking at the right other half.

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  • Posted by samreginab 9 years, 3 months ago
    Being a 61 year old dude, happily married to an awesome Alabama girl for over thirty years, I will tell you that things are not the same. My nephews on one side of the family have had bizarre relationships and marriages, and even though they are over 6'4" and 200#, they are feminized! The youngest got a divorce from his wife of five years who then promptly declared herself to be gay.
    On the other side of the family the two nephews have married foreigners...one a Persian girl who works, cleans, cooks, raises their children and appears deliriously happy, not to mention she is beautiful. Scary, isn't it? And his brother has married a Korean girl, and they have a happy, "normal" family dynamic raising their two kids in Seoul. Maybe the American dream is easier to find these days beyond the borders of America.
    I'm afraid I agree with the host...
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    • Posted by mdk2608 9 years, 3 months ago
      There are so many people in the world these days that are just screwed up! I do believe that western women are much different that other women in different parts of the world. I think women in other cultures are more appreciative of things we take for granted. Our family system had deteriorated where are many other countries include more emphasis on families.
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    • Posted by ohiocrossroads 9 years, 3 months ago
      It's good to hear that your nephews have found familial happiness. It seems to me that American girls are too busy proving they can do a man's job to take time to be women. The way modern feminism portrays the basic facts of life today is that the penis is an instrument of oppression, and pregnancy is a disease.
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  • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 3 months ago
    There are a lot of factors here. I love women, really love them. Women's lib took hold with a lot of invalid premises, backed by a lot of really angry people - and launched an attack against manly men. If a society really advocates that men and women are the same, eventually, they'll start losing interest in each other. (my opinion)
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    • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 3 months ago
      No we are not the same. But we (both genders) have been crippled by our cultures and we need some time to stand on our own feet.

      I love the courtesies and charm of bygone eras, but anyone who thinks that 'not the same' means 'less' when applied to me will find himself tied in knots and hurled into the nearest dumpster.

      Jan
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      • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 3 months ago
        If it weren't for Women's Lib, I wouldn't have had the opportunities in life I did... saying that, it's the ones lacking self confidence and self-worth, those, ego driven, self-unassured bullies (both make and female) that to me are disgusting, and not worth my time or effort. A guy (or woman) who is confident, self assured, stable, solid, and knows their own worth is more likely to become a friend (or lover); fail those basics, and you haven't a chance in hell. And if someone feels the need to use me as their ego prop (has happened, sadly) they will find themselves on the side of the road wondering what hit them. Likewise with those who think that I have to meet their expectations of what to say, wear, think, and feel - got no use for people like that, and try to spread that "gospel" to others.. My momma taught me way better than that!!!


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        • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 9 years, 3 months ago
          I took many opportunities prior to the women's lib mantra. I opened up some of those doors because I showed I was capable without any special set asides or equal opportunities. Capable people are just that, capable. Women's lib has actually hurt women in my opinion.
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          • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 3 months ago
            It wasn't the lib movement that did that, it was the socialist "euqalization" programs and policies...

            I remember a few years after I was hired on my job that they had a special classification to get more women in the trades - by lowering the acceptable standards of passing the civil service exam from 70% to 50% for those (and only those) applying under the "-woman" category, having special guidelines on what you could and could not ask during an interview, and telling theose hiring these special-class employees that they were REQUIRED to give preference to these potential employees, underskilled as they were...

            I looked at these people with a large amount of disdain, as it meant from then on people *might* look at those of us who fought our way in under the same standards as anyone else as one of these (for the most part) unqualified, undeserving losers.

            From my experience having to work with one of these 50% wonders (as we all called them) - one spent her day trying to get into every guy's pants on the crews, from her boss on down, rather than do her job... another kept breaking stuff, runing her truck into ours (and then blaming *us* for her f***-ups), a third couldn't be trusted to work on her own, a 4th was mollycoddled by her (male) coworkers because she was "special", a 5th was never to be found between getting her truck and the end of the day... and a 6th was usually accompanying the region manager on special conferences, doing special projects for him, etc, and was the only landscape worker I knew who wore heels, dresses, and long nails to the job. and we, those of us who EARNED our jobs there - were told we had to put up with it.

            It - this whole BS socialist-inspired crapfest of a program - did more to ruin the hard work and pride we did and had, and made our lives at work miserable. All to placate some bunch of snivelers who saw a problem where none existed - except, maybe, in those who wanted a free ride to a job and couldn't get one.
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            • Posted by $ rockymountainpirate 9 years, 3 months ago
              I agree. Lowering the standards was pure nonsense that depending on the job put others at risk. That didn't apply just to women either. When I was in Customs an Inspector who only worked for the politically appointed Port Director was assigned to be my backup while I was searching an aircraft with my dog. They gave him a holster and gun from the safe, but he couldn't use it because he wasn't wearing his uniform belt as he thought if he was wearing a sweater vest he didn't have to. They then gave him a gun belt and a gun. He couldn't get the gun in the holster correctly. I said I don't want a backup because he was more likely to shoot me than any smuggler. By the way, you were supposed to qualify with your weapon at least once a year to be an Inspector.
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              • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 3 months ago
                If that isn't scary, I don't know what is... I assume he never qualified, either? Just what you need - someone behind you with a loaded gun, no training and unqualified. I think I would have said, "Here, you have better eyes, you get in FRONT of me and Schotzi." (an old friend was a K9 officer, his dog's name was Schotzi... Sweetest mutt in the world, just don't say the wrong thing around her in German... :-) )

                Like the above unnamed bimbo who didn't have to take a driving test to get behind the wheel of her truck as part of the concessions. What got me is she wrecked 3 of her own trucks (they kept replacing it with another one, hoping she's eventually learn how to drive), and damaged the other 4 we had, and every time according to her it was someone elses fault.
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      • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 3 months ago
        Yes, thanks.

        Years ago I was married to a lady who decided to get her Masters degree in education and women's studies. It destroyed her mind and our marriage. She came to believe that ANY AND ALL differences between men and women were due to how that their (ignorant) parents raised them (and that was an injustice). It was a very sad time for me...

        Now, I'm married to a feminine, beautiful, caring woman. It helped that she was raised by European parents, I think. A woman can be beautiful, caring and strong. Mean doesn't equal strong...
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  • Posted by $ jlc 9 years, 3 months ago
    I agree with khalling: Women are individuals. Most of the young geek-girls I know are nice people, but then, they have opted out of the conventional dating scene and have guys as friends. And then they sometimes pair up with one of these friends, whom they have known, and played video games with, for years.

    Secondly, I do not see the point in panicking over women behaving in the same manner that men have traditionally behaved - having casual sex is something you can do when you make your own income and have modern medicine.

    Thirdly, this is acne. It is a 'phase that we are going though'. Once the little Persian etc wifies undergo their own internal revolution (by making their own money and having modern medicine yadda yadda) then the choice of having an enduring family relationship will be the choice of an individual, not a requirement for a class of individuals.

    Jan
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  • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 3 months ago
    Blame the feminists for some of this. But men should have greater courage than what they seem to show.
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    • Posted by $ Susanne 9 years, 3 months ago
      I hate to agree with you, Tem, but I have to on this! I don't think it's the feminists as much as the guys not having the (pardon the pun) "bullocks" to be themselves, and instead feeling they have to become whatever their significant other demands them to be. They're so afraid if they be men, and behave as themselves, and whoever they're going out with doesn't like it, they'll be chased away, or worse, never get another girl as long as they live (patently wrong, but who knows what goes on in a guys mind).

      If they were honestly themselves, and true to that self, they would never have to worry about losing that one woman, because she'll be attracted to him for what and who he REALLY is, not the "lounge-lizard actor" he's trying to be.

      Want an inside secret? I'd sooner go out with an older semi-beer-bellied guy in a polo shirt and who is genuinely himself than someone who puts on this big act trying to be someone he's not (and yes, we can see right thru those kind)... Want to meet that one special person? It's easier than you think - just be YOU!
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      • Posted by Temlakos 9 years, 3 months ago
        The women I had successful affairs with, in the years before I got married, all told me: "You're bad, but that's part of your charm."

        The woman I married regarded me as a hero and leader.
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  • Posted by ddustin 9 years, 3 months ago
    There are a lot of accurate points in the video. It is clearly designed to articulately poke at the current state of malism and feminism.

    I wasn't alive for it but there seems to have been a long period of society putting down women and making the pursuit of success and accomplishment of their invidual goals quite difficult.

    What I find ridiculous is this societal desire to seek revenge on a new generation of men.
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  • Posted by wdg3rd 9 years, 3 months ago
    Dunno about young men, but I'm thrice married, widowed and about to turn 60. Not going back into the dating game. Got one woman I still love (once upon a time she was my first wife in a polyandry [a concept that might have resolved several plot complications in Atlas Shrugged, if Ayn hadn't preferred adultery to marriage]) and I'll be watching the trilogy with her on Blu-Ray with her on Newton's birthday.
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  • Posted by mdk2608 9 years, 3 months ago
    American Girls are into too much drama. I think this issue is somewhat different in different cultures. When one thinks of all the virtual sex opportunities why put up with the hassle. Today you can go online and buy a female doll made of synthetic flesh that appears real along with fully functioning body parts. Why put up with someone who will only try to smart off to you, is moody, you have to buy things for and then wants to take half your money. Couple this with the negative of finding someone you like and then find out she is laced with student loan debt till age 65 and life is better in front of a video game. Its simply cheaper and less hassle. This is taking Rand's concept of reason to its logical conclusion.
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      Posted by UncommonSense 9 years, 3 months ago
      I thought I'd put in my .02 on your take and anyone who's thinking along the same lines. Let's compare & contrast:

      "Virtual" anything, e.g., Virtual Host Environment (IT stuff), Virtual reality, etc, means it isn't really real.

      The doll thing is a bit scary, creepy, & disturbing. That is one reason among many why the Japanese are slowly dying off: the sex dolls aren't going to save them either.

      Found someone who smarts off to you? No problem, dump them & then re-examine who YOU are, make peace with your faults, deal with any unresolved grief from past BS (we all have to go through it at some point in our lives) & then make a better choice the next time out.

      Unless you love burning through $$, avoid high maintenance or high-emotional dates & keep your hard-earned money.

      Student loan debt is an engineered problem that seems to be effecting everybody ~ don't know what to do about that. On the other hand (pun intended), staying loyal to Mary Palmer with your favorite lubricant and fantasies isn't living real life either and ultimately will disappoint you in the long haul, leaving you lonely & bitter.

      You can't smell the hair of the one you're with when you're engaged in fantasy (internet porn, videos, magazines, etc).

      You can't feel the satisfaction of making the other person laugh and hearing them laugh.

      Is it better to scratch yourself (got an itch you can't quite reach?) or to have someone else scratch for you?

      Afterwards, isn't it way cool to actually connect with someone versus being done with yourself?

      All I'm saying is that when it's done right, it is far more satisfying to be with someone else than it is to engage in avoidance and/or fantasy, and therefore, people ought to put forth a better effort at reaching out & trying to seek someone versus taking the easy way out.

      That's my .02.
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      • Posted by mdk2608 9 years, 3 months ago
        You make good points and I agree. My comments were a bit sarcastic and trying to add a little humor. I've been married now 25 years and have three smart boys After watching the video on this I worry about their ability to find a decent young lady. Women in my opinion have changed and the American man over the years had been woosified in society. I was just kidding about the sex dolls. They can look just like the real thing.
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        • Posted by khalling 9 years, 3 months ago
          Women are individuals. You can discuss a culture and some loud mouthed leaders but we 're all over the map I assure you. This article is a cop out. These are difficult times. Blame women or blame yourself for not fighting back against the regulatory and crony world in which you live. Sarah Conners is just down the street. Have you even looked?
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        • Posted by UncommonSense 9 years, 3 months ago
          I kind of picked up on that and wasn't 'going after' you per se, but wanted to provide a counter argument. It's the stupid student loan thing that disgusts me among the things you listed that is the hardest thing to avoid.
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          • Posted by mdk2608 9 years, 3 months ago
            Your counter argument was a good one. As a dad I thought it important to have a conversation with my boys about dating. In the process I was telling them that even though they may find someone who is absolutely fantastic, they must find out how much debt this lperson has before getting too involved. Their reaction was expected “Dad you take all the love out of a relationship.” They graduate with no debt so the decision to marry someone with a lot of debt could be a pivotal decision in determining how their life is lived. Today kids are faced with different situations that we had. Once married if they have to spend the rest of their life paying off debt suddenly that hot and desirable mate can lose their attractiveness quickly. It’s already difficult to get to a point in life where you can save money, now throw in massive student loan payments and the situation is worse. Life is not fun it all one is working for is to pay off the debt of a spouse. The relationship can deteriorate quickly. As a financial advisor it’s not uncommon to see young people have$100 -$200,000 in student loan debt. Young people do not have understand debt and its repayment. Unlike when most of us went to school filing bankruptcy cannot eliminate this debt. It will follow you till the day you die. If payments are not made, the government can garnish social security payments. Suddenly the American Dream can turn into the American nightmare. The other area is many young people today come from divorced home. As a result this has impacted their view on relationships.
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    • Posted by khalling 9 years, 3 months ago
      Sex dolls? Really?! My daughter is 25, gorgeous, debt free and productive. I love the strong men on this site who appreciate and cherish the women in their lives. There will always be feminist jerks. In the mean time we 're raising wonderful women. A for effort on finding them under your nose
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      • Posted by mdk2608 9 years, 3 months ago
        I was just trying to lighten the conversation a little. with the sex doll comment. When I was looking for a new secretary a friend of mine sent me a link to a page where you could buy seemingly life like women. You could order eye color, bust size, weight hairstyle, everything. It was amazing. They even had their own internal skeletal system. It was sent to me as a joke but it was real. It is shipped directly to your door in a unmarked wooden crate and comes with optional clothing accessories. She would never file disability or a workman's compensation claim, was able to work 24 hrs without a break, was great eye candy and had no student loan debt. She could even be used as a passenger in a car to get in the carpool lane without getting a ticket. Seriously though I suspect the kind of daughter you raised is the exception. As a dad I hope my boys can find someone like her but its not easy. I have never had any problems with my boys they are smart and good looking. My hope is the values I gave them will come in handy when finding someone like your daughter someday.
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        • Posted by $ Abaco 9 years, 3 months ago
          Geez - that doll issue is strange. Creepy.
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          • Posted by mdk2608 9 years, 3 months ago
            Abaco I was only trying to get people to laugh a little. I'm not into that kind of stuff. Yes it could be creepy. I thought the same as you when my friend sent me the link to the page selling the dolls. They cost something like $5000. When I saw the website I thought it was a joke but it was no joke. Of course once has to ask why he had the link to begin with.
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  • Posted by wiggys 9 years, 3 months ago
    there are some advantages to living a long time. shortly i will be 73 so i do not concern myself with what is going on now with the youth of america.
    that said i vaguely recall that Leonard Peikoff talked about the breakdown of american youth in his book "ominous parallel". i may have to peruse it to refresh myself.
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    • Posted by mdk2608 9 years, 3 months ago
      That was a good book. Piekoff has an updated new version of that book I forgot the new title but it should be on the Ayn Rand Institute website..
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      • Posted by IndianaGary 9 years, 3 months ago
        The new book is about the rise of the Nazis and is extracted from TOP. It omits most of the comparison with today's America and is intended to better document how the Nazis came to power.
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        • Posted by mdk2608 9 years, 3 months ago
          Thanks for the clarification. I got an email about it from the ARI Institute but did not recall the details. After reading the promo, even though I read the original one, I was motivated to buy the revised version. Thanks for reminding me.
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    • Posted by $ jdg 9 years, 3 months ago
      TOP was a laughable example of the "correlation MUST be causation" fallacy from beginning to end. Belief in weird stuff does not automatically make anyone a moocher. Anyone who buys into the book's circular reasoning is just a different kind of deluded believer in junk science as far as I'm concerned.
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